Anyone growing Pomegrantes in z7a or lower?

jjd_z7a_nj(z7a)March 12, 2014

Anyone having any success growing and fruiting any pomegranate varieties other than Salavatski in zone 7a or colder? I would like to try Parfianka, Bala Miursal, Al Sirin Nar but can't find much hardiness info out there. Any other proven hardy and successful fruiting varieties worth trying?

Thanks

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charlieboring

I just planted a Russian 26 and an Angel Red pomagranite in the fall in Northern Virginia. After this very cold winter, I am not sure they have survived. I will let you know in a few weeks.

    Bookmark   March 12, 2014 at 6:18AM
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Scott F Smith(6B/7A MD)

I have many poms. I was checking them yesterday and only Angel Red took a lot of damage. That one is not known hardy; all the other ones I have are known hardy ones. The final verdict for this last winter won't be in for another month or so. Click on my GW page to see my varieties list.

Scott

    Bookmark   March 12, 2014 at 7:41AM
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fabaceae_native

i've had angel red and wonderful unprotected in ground two winters, both freeze to ground around zero. Protected they are fine, but there is still the problem of getting the fruit to mature in time. Hardy varieties are not necessarily early maturing and vice versa. My newest strategy to get fruit is to provide protection and use only earliest maturing varieties. I won't waste my time with cold hardy varieties if they are not early ripening in my marginal zone...

    Bookmark   March 12, 2014 at 11:23AM
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RobThomas

I have Salavatski and Nikitski Ranni. They are both just going into their second growing season, so no fruit yet. The Ranni seems the most cold hardy. Our lowest here was -3 and it got near zero or lower at least three times this winter. No die back at all on the Ranni. I wrapped them with chicken wire then stuff hay around them for insulation.

    Bookmark   March 12, 2014 at 11:46AM
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trianglejohn

The zone map only concerns itself with temperatures, and fruit production has a few more variables, like light levels and the difference between nighttime lows and daytime highs. So I would look for people growing pom's in a similar latitude. I have trouble getting some tropicals to bear good fruit this far north and I am only in NC - all because they need near constant light levels, they don't know what to do with long summer days. In the tropics the days and nights are pretty constant at 12 hours each.

Angel Red and Wonderful have failed for me in mild winter years. The only reliable pomegranite in my garden is a local variety called 'Compacta'. The fruit a very sour but it fruits a lot and has no problems with cold.

    Bookmark   March 12, 2014 at 12:36PM
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armyofda12mnkeys(7a, Philly, PA)

Growing hardy varieties as well. Will let you know what survives. Think the temps dipped to -5F - 0F this year. In the 3rd year now for a few of them, rest are less than 2-3ft tall. Think Salevatski or KajacikAnor fruited for my friend I gave a plant to, but none of mine yet. Btw my 1st year, they all go in the small outdoor shed to protect the 1st year wood. any days/nights under 20F, and I turn the light on overnight to protect it. been working every year and has good strong wood for the 2nd season.

Anyone have 'Shirin Pust Ghermez Saveh'?
Think thats the only Iranian one I still need.

This post was edited by armyofda12mnkeys on Wed, Mar 12, 14 at 20:24

    Bookmark   March 12, 2014 at 8:20PM
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armyofda12mnkeys(7a, Philly, PA)

Cindy @ GreenSeaFarms has most of the varieties for a good price. Unfortunately they lost lots of plants this year and dont have that Shirin variety i wanted. "With all the rain we had last summer I lost 1000's of potted plants." wowie, 1000's

    Bookmark   March 12, 2014 at 8:22PM
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vieja_gw(z7NM)

Have had pomegranates growing here in high desert zone 7 (new Mexico) for over 50 years; were among the first to be grown here back then but see them quite frequently now in yards. Every few years (2012 for one) we get temps that freeze the bushes to the ground, then they grow back up the next year (2013) & this year 2014 they seem to have survived our very mild winter so hope to see lots of blossoms & fruits this year!! BTW: they are all 'Wonderful'.

Never had a bit of other problems with them.

    Bookmark   March 13, 2014 at 1:56PM
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jjd_z7a_nj(z7a)

Thanks everyone for all the info. I may just give them all a try and see what happens.

TriangleJohn,

What other varieties have you tried? Also where did you get 'Compacta'. Sounds very interesting would like to give it a try sour or not.

Thanks,
JJD

    Bookmark   March 13, 2014 at 3:58PM
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fabaceae_native

Things are definitely different here out West. Elevation takes precedence over latitude, and all pomegranates seem to take colder temps than back East. There are lots of bushes in zone 7 NM that only die back in the coldest winters. The varieties Russian and Wonderful have been said to perform the same in Albuquerque, NM.

I say why put so much energy into finding varieties that end up giving you just a few extra degrees of hardiness? If you are in a marginal zone you will probably need to protect anyway, and you will almost surely need early ripening varieties to get good fruit. If you are anywhere with a long growing season, just go with 'Wonderful': it is a great variety and cheap and easy to obtain.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 10:08AM
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Scott F Smith(6B/7A MD)

I don't think its just a couple degrees. I have on average lost about half my Angel Red each winter and I doubt it will ever give me useful fruit. All the "hardy" ones have been good for me down to 3-4F.

I do agree that early ripening is also a big factor; its the reason why I put in Angel Red to begin with. Its also one reason why I never planted a Wonderful.

Scott

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 1:25PM
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vieja_gw(z7NM)

I have wondered (now that we are talking 'pomes!) why the bushes put on new flowers over a long period, yet the fruit all seem to ripen at the same time in the fall?

Just curious!

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 1:54PM
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fabaceae_native

Scott: You're probably right that there is a more than a few degrees between the very hardiest and the least hardy varieties. Angel Red may indeed be more towards the least hardy side of things, and it may also be especially intolerant of cold/wet winters... I've heard that the ornamental variety 'Nana' would probably be killed by temps below 20.

But it still seems that the difference in hardiness between 'Wonderful' and the so-called hardy types is pretty miniscule, at least in arid climates.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 5:25PM
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trianglejohn

JJD - I get plants given to me all the time so some of what I grow I am just re-telling what someone told me, could be true, could be wrong...

RIght now I have in the ground two 'Compacta' (they are grown by a local wholesale-only nursery - Pender Nursery, I get mine at our local university's horticulture student plant sale when they have them, about every other year); I have two 'Russian', one I bought at Edible Landscaping in VA, the other someone gave to me; I have one given to me that came from a local Indian Plant Nursery (this area has a large SE Asian population), and as an ornamental I have a 'State Fair' which is a tiny bush style plant that blooms and fruits as long as the temps are warm - a beauty but the fruit is very sour and small. In a pot I have my Angel Red - which died to the ground too many times, so I dug it up and keep it in the greenhouse now.

Around town (Raleigh, NC) you can find pom's growing as parking lot trees. I think the asphalt helps keep them warm. People rarely get to the fruit before the squirrels. Our local Lebanese deli has a few that their grandfather brought to the US ages ago. They look like one of the many Russian varieties.

Most people around here say you have better luck with the Russian types (some are named, some are sold as Russian) which tend to not be as sweet as the warm climate types.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2014 at 7:59PM
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