Spraying for CAR?? Please Help

bobinctMarch 14, 2014

I planted like 17 Apple trees and 4 Pear trees two years ago. At the time, I bought 2 year old trees. Only one of the Pear trees started to bear fruit. I have a problem with Cedar Apple Rust with the Apple Trees. I just sprayed Horticulture Dormant Oil spray on them on 3/10/14. That is suppose to kill some of the insects that may have been on there throughout the winter. I never applied any other sprays to help them ( never planted trees before, but mulched them all and fertilized them). Can someone please help me out with a great spray to use and WHEN and HOW OFTEN??? I'm located in Connecticut. Also, if you think there are any other spray I should apply, please let me know because I put so much work into planting them and would like to do what is best for them. I'm aware what CAR is and how you could be affected from trees 2-5 miles away. Any help would be great. This is my first post and new to this forum

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alan haigh

Here is something I put together so I can just copy and paste when someone asks your question. My pest issues are probably close to identical to yours so this should at least be helpful.


Low Spray Schedule for Home Orchards in the Northeast

Here's my spray schedule for the scores of orchards I manage around SE NY adapted for home owners managing a few fruit trees. It has functioned well for me for over 2 decades, although J. Beetles and brown rot of stone fruit increases the number of sprays and necessary pesticides some years some sites. Stink bugs are also an increasing problem requiring more subsequent sprays when they appear. Time of spray is based on apple bloom as that is the predominant fruit here but I generally get away with spraying all trees at the time I spray apples.

Please note that pesticide labels must be read before their use and my recommendations do not override the rules on the label. The label is the law. This document only communicates what has worked for me and your results may vary depending on local pest pressure, which may require a different spray schedule.

Dormant oil (this is optional if there were no mites or scale issues the previous season, which is usually the case in home orchards). Do oil spray somewhere between the point where emerging shoots are 1/2" and the flower clusters begin to show a lot of pink. Mix Immunox (myclobutinol) at highest legal rate (listed on label for controlling scab and cedar apple rust on apple trees) with 1 to 2% oil( 1 to 2 quarts per 25 gallons of water). If it's closer to pink use 1%.

Don't spray again until petal fall when petals have mostly gone from latest flowering varieties and bees have lost interest. Then spray Triazide (Spectracide Once and Done) + Immunox mixed together at highest legal rates. Repeat once in 10 to 14 days.

Where I manage orchards, the space between earliest flowering Japanese plums and latest flowering apples is only 2 weeks or so which usually allows me to wait until the latest flowering trees are ready to begin spraying anything. Plum curculio seems to time its appearance conveniently to the rhythm of the last flowering apple varieties. This may not be true where you are.

If plums or peaches need oil they may need application before apples. I’ve only had mites on European plums here and never need oil for other stone fruit.

All this is based on plum curculio being your primary insect problem which is the case most areas east of the Mis. River. These sprays will also absolutely control scab, CAR and Mildew as well as most of the crop fatal insects. Apple fly maggot is an exception as it tends to merge a couple of weeks after last spray looses effectiveness, but I haven't had much of a problem with this pest in the orchards I manage. This pest can be controlled with a lot of fake apples smeared with tangle trap.

If you don't want to use synthetic chemicals try 4 applications of Surround about a week apart starting at petal fall. You may need to start on earlier flowering varieties as soon as they drop petals because Surround is a repellent and can’t kill eggs after they’ve been inserted into the fruit. When temperatures permit it is good to mix horticultural oil with 2 or those applications as Surround makes a nice home for mites and scale.

Stone fruit may require the addition of an application or 2 of Indar (Monterey Fungus Fighter is closest available chemical for home growers) starting 4 weeks before first peaches ripen. Apricots must be sprayed sooner if they are scab susceptible with same compound. Some sites that single spray will also prevent serious rot on later ripening varieties on seasons not particularly wet.

Because I manage so many orchards so far apart I have to resort to a spray schedule that is based on expectations rather than actual monitoring. You may be able to reduce insecticide sprays with monitoring but PC can enter an orchard over night and if your insecticide lacks kick-back (as is the case with Triazide), do a lot of damage in a couple of days..

Other problems may occur later in the season and you will in time learn to monitor and react to the pitfalls.
Good luck, Alan Haigh- The Home Orchard and Nursery Co.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2014 at 7:46PM
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Alan, Thx for your response and I'm glad I got some help. Do they sell the Immunox at Home Depot? The one you are referring to? It says Multi Purpose Fungicide spray concentrate for Gardens. It says it controls certain diseases and lists rust , but does not specifically say anything about fruits. It is $12.97 for 16oz? I just want to make sure I get the correct spray. I'm still confused about the sprays , tho. It seems like I'm off track because it seems like I'm suppose to mix Immunox with 1 or 2% oil. Do I buy straight Immunox somewhere? I just sprayed my trees with The Dormant Oil Horticulture Spray last week. Was I suppose to mix it with straight Immunox? Then where to I purchase Triazide? I'm new to the planting of fruit trees and sorry I sound like I'm so confused, but I really am . I never thought the fruit tree experience would be difficult. Just trying to do whats best for my trees. Any recommendations from anyone on where to purchase Triazide and Immunox?

    Bookmark   March 16, 2014 at 2:22PM
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mes111(5b -Purling NY & 7b -Nassau County NY)


Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart all sell both of these.


    Bookmark   March 16, 2014 at 5:30PM
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alan haigh

Just check the specific ingredients, for the CAR and scab fungicide it should say myclobutanil.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2014 at 6:15PM
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Sure wish I knew where your orchards are located, I would take a ride someday to visit, I'm about 1 hour and 40 minutes from Mansfield, PA.

    Bookmark   March 19, 2014 at 9:19PM
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alan haigh

Jimmy, lots of weekends you can visit my own orchard, which is a good as any I manage. E-me through GW.

    Bookmark   March 20, 2014 at 6:28AM
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