bladder infection

kfgesq(z5NJ)July 3, 2003

My daugter has a bladder infection. I am giving her echinecea, acidopholous and parsley tea. Any other ideas?

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oakleif(z6 AR)

Take 3 to 4 glasses of cranberry juice a
day till infection is gone,than 1 glass a day for two weeks and dont fudge on amt

    Bookmark   July 3, 2003 at 1:04PM
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Take her to a doctor ... adult women can handle chronic cystitis self-medicating, but young girls don't have th esame body chemistry and you are risking having it turn into a kidney infection.

In the meantime, lots of fluids, especially cranberry jiuce.

    Bookmark   July 3, 2003 at 8:08PM
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and what is the doctor going to do that I can't. Give her nice little sulfer drugs that have horrifying side effects? I was young once also and went to the doctor for the same thing and fortnately realized after the second time or so that I could cure it myself and feel a lot better. My children are NOT going to be sucked into the medical crap that I was almost sucked into as a child. That is why I m on this forum, so if you have any advice for NATURAL remedies let me know.

    Bookmark   July 3, 2003 at 11:49PM
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Bladder infections are bacterial. While active yogurt will boost her helpful bacteria, it won't get rid of the bad stuff necessarily. Parsley is a diuretic, but peeing a lot more isn't going to get rid of the bacteria causing the infection either. Echinacea is a decent herbal antibiotic, but better used as a preventative at the onset rather than after the infection has taken hold.
I would have her drink white cranberry juice because the red one is harder on the kidneys. Most people don't realize how hard cranberry juice is on the kidneys. I would continue with the yogurt with live cultures in it and I would also have her eat some raw grated ginger (like you get in sushi restaurants) and drink a nightime tea of chamomile and thyme for a few nights. That should knock out the infetion. Hope this helps. :)
Seeing a doc should be done if there is blood in her urine.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2003 at 12:42AM
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Rosa(4ish CO Rockie)

Here is what I do that has worked, although I agree that young girls should be treated with anitbiotics. And, given instructions about proper wiping, drinking plenty of fluids and not holding their urine, ever. I'll also say that this works at the beginning of an infection FOR ME, and that children/young girls typically do not report problems like this (frequency or difficulty urinitating) immediately and the infection winds up being more severe , harder to deal with, turns into nasty kidney infections-AND requires antibiotics. If she has a fever, blood in her urine or lower back pain get her to the DOC pronto. Antibiotics, used sparingly are lifesavers.

Drink one 8 ounce glass of water every 20 minutes for 2 hours. This will immediatedly dilute the urine and make urinating easier. It will take this much to start urinating every 20 minutes or so. Then switch to cranberry juice. 1 gallon to be consumed in 8 ounce cups at one hour intervals until the the cranberry juice is gone. The next day repeat with one gallon of water. You can combine this with herbals as suggested after she is done but i have never found it necessary FOR ME.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2003 at 9:48AM
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"and what is the doctor going to do that I can't."

Get a culture and sensitivity that tells them EXACTLY what the problem is and what will kill it, get a urinalysis that helps identify any kidney involvement, and prescribe the precise antibiotics (if needed) to kill the bacteria.

If the last you remember of UTIs is "nice little sulfer drugs that have horrifying side effects" your knowledge of medicine is a good 30 years out of date.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2003 at 11:27AM
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Actually, sulfur and antibiotics are what they are still prescribing. I have weak kidneys from parental neglect as a child and have had to monitor myself my whole life. I can't drink tons of coffee and soda, etc.
Anyway, I abhor antibiotics and don't believe that sulfur is the only way to go mainly because of the horrifying side effects. What I mean to say is that I know where the original poster is coming from and it's actually conventional medicine that's out of date as they usually are when it's comes to women's medicine in particular.
A good example of this is how they have treated menopause. Talk about Whhooops! Another good example is how the medical profession has hijacked giving birth. A good book to read on this is by Naomi Wolf. She wrote a book called "misconceptions". It's a very good read....very enlightening.
The truth about antibiotics is just as shocking. Our overuse of them has created superbugs that are resisitant to everything we throw at them. I would never suggest to this poster that she put her daughter on antibiotics right away because TODAY there is a huge risk that the infection that her daughter has would mutate in response and become a superbug, which could have detrimental effects on her reproductive organs and quite possibly make her sterile. This is the reality of what we are facing today. I would never give my son antibiotics for something that could be treated without them and frankly, there isn't much out there that can't be treated naturally without success.
So before you go off and chastise the poster for not wanting to take the daughter to a doc, just keep what I've said in mind. In my opinion, the poster is truly a more concerned parent about what goes into this child's body than a parent that would just do whatever the doc says. Parents these days have a tougher go of it than my parents had. My generation has to be well read and knowledgable about medical issues and the pros and cons and side effects of's just a nightmare. I've had to learn about chemistry, biology, drugs, herbs (which I already knew), viruses, bacterias, JUST so that I could make an informed decision about what is the healthy choice for MY son. Because today, you can't trust that the doctors will do that for you anymore. It's a new world, man, a world where the flu can kill you and hormones cause cancer. Making well informed decisions about our health is the way to go.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2003 at 2:08PM
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Rosa(4ish CO Rockie)

Can you please back your statement up?? "...because TODAY there is a huge risk that the infection that her daughter has would mutate in response and become a superbug, which could have detrimental effects on her reproductive organs and quite possibly make her sterile." I find this a little far fetched, and a bit of an over simplification...Just as in this statement, "It's a new world, man, a world where the flu can kill you..." As far as I know from history the flu has always had the potential to kill, and still does. Does the flu of 1917/18 ring a bell?? Flu is certainly not a new disease!!
As a general precaution against using antibiotics for EVERY ill...yes, caution is indicated-we do know that bacteria do develop resistance this way, and that viruses mutate all the time.
BTW, sulfur is not the only way to go-there are many other antibiotics that are prescribed and do the trick.
I'm curious, you say that "I have weak kidneys from parental neglect as a child.." Is that from them giving you antibiotics or herbal remedies as a child??

    Bookmark   July 4, 2003 at 3:35PM
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BTW - The correct trem is "sulfonamides" or "sulfa drugs" ... "sulfur" is a totally different thing.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2003 at 6:42PM
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You go girl! Those people who criticized you have bought into the propaganda of the pharmaceutical companies. That sounds so radical but sad to say, true. Now that I know what I know, I regret that I ever took my kids to the doctor. Do you know that a large amount of mercury is in every vaccine they give to babies? Antibiotics are designed to kill a specific bacteria, which totally messes up the beneficial flora in your system. Recently I had a severe dental absess. The pain made me desperate enough to go to the doctor, who gave me penicillan. I ate lots of yogurt, but I got a really horrible fungal sinus infection. I almost went back to the doctor, until I realized it was fungal. I couldn't even sleep lying down, I had so much drainage. I suffered for a week, until I read an article that told me what it was. Then I took some black walnut hull tincture, and within two days was totally normal. This will kill almost 100% of parasites in the body. That includes fungus and bacteria, as well as what we think of as parasites, such as roundworm (which nearly all of us have.) Do a search on Dr Hulda Clark for more information about this! Stick to your guns about the health of your daughter. If the problem is more serious than you can handle by yourself, find the alternative health practioner of your choice. Most folks would be surprised to learn how effective non"medical" healing therapies are.

    Bookmark   July 4, 2003 at 8:10PM
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Ok guys, guess I sparked a little controversey here. Listen up. I will take my daugher to the doctor if she develops a fever thatI cannot control, or blood in her urine. My deal is this..doctors are into a medical invasive head that is dangerous and counterproductive to my mind. I have been using herbs and, lately, homeopathic remedies for the past 30 years. Herbal remedies are simple, effective and less risky than "conventional" drugs which have horrifying side effects. I am one of those people that gets every side effect from prescription drugs and then some that are not even listed. Because my daughter is the same I am reluctant to give her any of the usual "drugs" that supposedly heal her condition. However, I am not so stupid that I would risk her health if I could not handle it in an alternative fashion. My sister is a homeopathic dotor and I am fortunate that I have her to consult. Even she admits that OCCASIONALLY one has to revert to "conventional" medecine when all else fails. I have learned that herbs and homeopathy work, slowly and effeciently when used correctly without the side effects of other more "conventional" medecines. I know what I am doing and I am grateful for all of your advice. The reason that I am opposed to "conventional" drugs is many faceted. One of the many reasons is that most of the "studies" done on them have ben done only on men. I have been given drugs that have messed me up big time with side effects. The doctor then tried to tell me that it was "emotional" I later found out that the dosage was based on a "study" of men 175 lbs., etc. I am a small woman 105 lbs, 5'2". Actually,I should be getting a child size dose. Duhhhh. But no one thinks of these things. Give me a break!! Doctors have been killing people for a long ime with OVER medication. Take one drug, get a side effect, take another to heal that side effect and soon you are taking 10 or 15 drugs a day all of which, in combination will kill you or really adversely effect your health. Look in the PDR and see the endless lists of side effects from the really nice "convetional" drugs out there, then tell me they are safe. Hey,I am a believer that everyone does what they think is best. If you want to go to the doctor and get traditional drugs then go, but don't criticize me for not waning to do it. Whatever floats your boat is my deal. Joy everyone!!!

    Bookmark   July 4, 2003 at 10:17PM
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In response to my proving that antibiotics produce superbugs....well. Look around. Watch the news. Read a magazine 'cause it's everywhere. The medical community is literally in an antibiotic crisis because of the sheer amount of superbugs that are emerging every day now....superbugs that we can't kill with drugs. I thought this was common knowledge. Let's say you get a papercut. You throw on some anitbiotic neosporin, right? No big deal. The infection gets worse. So you go to a Quick Care in your area to get some antibiotics. The infection gets worse. You go to the hospital. They give you something else. The infection gets worse. Next thing you know, they are hospitalizing you and telling you they have to cut the finger off. You just learned first hand (excuse the pun)about superbugs and antibiotics. Meanwhile, unbeknownst to most Americans is that there are things called Phages. But since they aren't approved by the FDA, you can't have any unless you go to Russia, so I guess you lose a finger. Or an ovary. Or a leg. Whatever. Just chop it off if you can't figure it out.
My personal experience with parental neglect really isn't any of your business just that it was what it was, neither of them being what you mentioned. Thanks, though.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 1:15AM
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It seems to be the norm that there are a few who immediately say that one should seek the services of a doctor or drugs when someone asks a question looking for an herbal answer. This being a forum about herbalism the answers should be about herbal alternatives. Those of you that think a question asked reflects neglect or ignorance or an adgenda or someone selling something should not make such assumptions until the poster gives sufficient evidence that this be the case. I have been involved in several forums that are herbal in nature and this one carries the most criticism and condescending attitudes I have seen. Give people credit for knowing a few things and answer the questions as they were asked.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 6:37AM
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Hey herbapower, where are the other forums I'd like to take a look. Thanks.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 7:32AM
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"Do you know that a large amount of mercury is in every vaccine they give to babies?" Please back up your claim with appropriate citations, listing the vaccine and the amount of mercury in it.

"This being a forum about herbalism the answers should be about herbal alternatives." I'm a long-time user of herbal medicines, with a degree in microbiology and medical technology (med techs run the labs that do the tests for doctors). My father was also a user of herbal medicines, and a registered pharmacist. We were both trained by the same Salish medicine man. I have continued learning from various tribes and traditions ... even university professors of "ethnopharmaceutical studies".

There are situations where herbs are superior (because of cost, availability, lower incidence of side effects, etc.), there are situations where herbs are inferior but in a pinch are better than nothing (herbal muscle relaxants and pain killers aren't nearly as effective as morphine sulphate and valium, and it can be hard to get the dosage right), and there are situations where herbs are clearly inadequate and ineffective. The hard part of herbalism is knowing which situation your patients are in.

Meanwhile, unbeknownst to most Americans is that there are things called Phages. Phages as an anti-bacterial therapy have been tried again and again since they were first discovered in the early 20th century. The reason phages are not approved by the FDA is that they kill and RUPTURE the bacteria, releasing any endotoxins in the bacteria into the patient, leading to nasty side effects and often death. The researchers have never made it out of animal trials yet with any phage ... the damage to the animals from the endotoxins is far greater than the risk from whatever antibiotic it might be replacing.
FYI, killing off some bacteria (mostly the "gram negative" ones like the plague, also anthrax) too quickly can kill the patient. You have to give an antibiotic that stops them from multiplying, then let the body's defenses slowly take care of them.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 8:45AM
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Rosa(4ish CO Rockie)

Sorry greengoddess, didn't mean to pry-and you are right it's none of my business.
I was not questioning the part about creating resistant bugs-it has happened and is still happening-I am questioning your assertion that treating the bladder infection with drugs "...which could have detrimental effects on her reproductive organs and quite possibly make her sterile." This is what I find no evidence for and find a little far fetched in relation to a bladder infection.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 9:16AM
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I agree herbal remedies are a good preventive measure
but if the infection is there and great you may have to take to Dr.for antibiotics?

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 12:47PM
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I am not saying that giving her antibiotics would make her sterile. What I was saying is that if happened to be one of those people that created a superbug by taking antibiotics, the doctors response would be drastic. that's what I was trying to get across.
About phages. It is my understanding that they are viruses that eat bacteria, not rupture them. For every harmful bacteria out there, there is a virus designed to eat it....Mother Nauture's little system of checks and balances. And to quite honest, I've never heard of deaths resulting in them as they have been used in Russia with little or no incident. I believe the reason that FDA has not approved is because they aren't profitable.
About mercury in vaccines. What she is reffering to are a group of vaccines that became controversial because it was thought that they were the cause of seemingly normal children suddenly showing signs of autism after recieving these vaccines. What happened is that the vaccines in question had a mercury derived preservative in them. Children don't process mercury like adults do, in fact, they don't process it at all. Consequently, some were poisoned, often with life long irreversible effects, thanks to the medical community, of course. The vaccines, meanwhile, are required damn near by law.....try enrolling your kid in school without'll need a damn good attorney. How do I know? Been down this road. My pediatrician's office quickly educated his staff on the ingeredients of his vaccines after I nearly started a riot there. I couldn't IMAGINE asking my doc what specifically was in these shots and him telling me "I don't know". At which point all of the other mothers became alarmed that no one in the office knew exactly what were in these vials. How do inject children with something that you don't know what it is? Well, I wanted to know and knowing can make all the difference. So now I pay a little more, but I get special vaccines from my doc that have to be special ordered because they don't have any preservatives of any kind.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 2:20PM
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Way to go green goddess! Isn't it nice when you go to the doctor and they say"here try this"!? Then you get something more horrible than the problem you came there for and you "try" something else. I think the problem is that doctors are overworked and then the pharmacutical company rep comes in and tells them in ten minutes of the new "remedy" an they give it to patients to try. Believe me I think doctors for the most part are good people, I don't think youwould go into a healing profession without being that way, but there are some really stupid and mereniary ones out there too, like in any other professon. Vaccines were a good thing for a lot of people but it is now being brought to the attention of thepublic that there are a lt of problems associated with them. Why do all thse kids have asthma, for example. Autism for anoter. The one problem with medical "sciece "is that they discover something, do it, and then you don't see the results for twenty years. Sometmes they don't do studies at all. Look at Ritalin. No studies of the long term efects and yet 5 million children are taking it? Jumping too fast into the breach is the problem without follow up studies iswhat I tink. Oh well, just my observation.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 4:12PM
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"About phages. It is my understanding that they are viruses that eat bacteria, not rupture them." It is my understanding, backed up by several microbiology textbooks, that the phages multiply inside the bacteria and they lyse (break open) the bacteria to release a new crop of phage particles. It is this bacteriolysis that also releases any endotoxins that may be in the bacteria.

I've never heard of deaths resulting in them as they have been used in Russia with little or no incident. Care to cite some medical research showing this. I've seen some glowing accounts in the popular press, but nothing with any clinical analysis.

I believe the reason that FDA has not approved is because they aren't profitable.If phages could replace antibiotics, the problem of resistance would go away ... at least until phage resistant bacteria evolved. Insurance companies would like that, and proiducing phages would b eplenty profitable.

See It's being looked into, but there hasn't been progress since 1996, when that article was written. One problem is that the human body sees the phages as viruses and attacks them. The otherproblkem is that there are multiple strains of any bacteria species, and the phages are very specific about which strain they will attack.[PNASPDFPath]/1996/93-08/pdf/pq003167.pdf
is another article.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 6:21PM
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Hmmmmmm......are you saying that viruses do NOT eat bacteria? And are you also saying that phages are NOT viruses?

I looked into the first site you give and my first problem is that Russia has a huge database of which phages work for which bacterias.....the excuse of not being able to match them up is flimsy, in my opinion. You mean to tell me that science can break the human genome and we can't remove toxins from a phage, should they exist? Give me a break. Then it goes on to say that the reticuloendothelial system, which produces it's own phages naturally btw, are somehow incapable of dealing with naturally occurring phages introduced into the body. I believe this piece of arcticle you have referred me to is discussing genetically engineered phages, which, in my opinion would produce all of these problems that this article cites. Not to mention that the test subjects were injected with lethal doses of bacteria doing god only knows what to the existing immune system to begin with. It seems akin to applying a little aloe vera gel to someone that has just indured third degree burns and then wondering why it doesn't work.

Basically, the gist of the second article you referred me to says that they really don't know anything about it. :0 So there it is.
The fact that you are in the medical community, even as a lab tech, confirms my feelings about this community. Scary.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 9:41PM
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This is no longer an herbal forum, it has become a medical forum!

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 10:23PM
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Traditional medecine is like a bad bacteria, isn't it? :P

Btw. I was very interested in what you had to say about Paw Paw, but thought you were not coming back. Glad you changed your mind.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2003 at 11:15PM
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"are you saying that viruses do NOT eat bacteria? And are you also saying that phages are NOT viruses?"

I am saying that phages do not "eat" bacteria in the way you are thinking - they do NOT engulf and digest the bacteria. Like all viruses, they attach to the host's cell membrane or cell wall, enter the cell (usually by a mechanism that injects the viral genetic material), hijack the cell's replication mechanisms and make it reproduce more virus particles. To get the new virus particles out to where they can infect new hosts, the virus induces the cell to "lyse" if it doesn't die and do so naturally. The cell contents, including the new virus particles and anything else in the cell, leak out.

    Bookmark   July 6, 2003 at 10:07AM
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Just my 2 cents. I recently had a couple of physical problems and found more information on the internet than I could obtain from my of which was an allergic reaction to some sort of a insect bite. I could not get my doctor or anyone in the emergency room to consider that I was having this reaction - I got tested for a heart attack, diabetes, etc., etc.,etc., and when I later researched "insect bites" on my computer....there were my symtoms! The problems I have had lately with the medical profession has really turned me off. I agree that this is a forum for "herbalism". Let's keep it that way!

    Bookmark   July 9, 2003 at 10:56AM
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Tressa, trust your instincts always! You and your body know better tan half a million doctors.

    Bookmark   July 9, 2003 at 11:39PM
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binki(z8, Portland, OR USA)

Sorry for veering off topic like this, but the herb that helps me every time with chronic UTIs is called buchu. It's available in health food stores in a little dropper bottle. Buy that and a nice big bottle of unsweetened cranberry juice, then do a squirt of buchu with some water (just whack it back like a shot; it tastes horrid) and chase that with the cranberry juice, mixed as strong as you can take it with water or even straight concentrate if you can do it. Drink AT LEAST a gallon of water a day. I pour a glug of cranberry juice concentrate in a pint glass, fill it up with water, and drink those one after another. The buchu shot I do 3 or 4 times a day. Just before bed, I usually do a buchu shot followed by a straight cranberry shot.

This has always worked to cure my bladder infections within a day or two. Hope this helps you too.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2003 at 4:18PM
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Cinzia_49(z6 NYC)

I'm very surprised that none of you thought of or even mentioned Taraxacum officinalis leaves and root. Dandelion is one of the strongest and most effective herbs for the urinary tract and associated infections, etc. Drinking an infusion of the leaves and flowers 4-5 times per day for a week should relieve the inflammation.

As for drugs, I worked in pharmaceutical advertising for many, many years and I assure all of you that they have deliberately degraded the "art of medicine" to the business of drug-dealing; deliberately turning the American populace into a nation of drug-dependant weaklings with little or no immune systems. They have absolutely no interest in the general well-being of the people. Their profits come from your misery, not from your health.

While it is true that a severe bladder infection could become PID  I know, I had it twice  try the dandelion first, the next time it happens. The antiobiotics they will prescribe are very strong and will in the process severely upset the gastrointestinal tract, leading to a weakening of the immune system. Using antiobiotics for common infections should be considered carefully before undertaking that method of treatment.

Dandelion will neutralize the low pH  if you will  of the body and in the process strengthen the immune response and lessen the chance of chronic infections. It is a non-toxic herb and can be consumed in large amounts without ill-affect.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2003 at 7:20PM
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bushpoet(z6 Bronx NY)

Hello there. I'm newish to the forums but just wanted to put in a word about uva ursi; yarrow; marsh mallow; and oregon grape root (or goldenseal if you choose). Hope you're consuming the parsley tea after it has cooled (more diuretic than warm, in my experience).

I also have had excellent results *overnight* with a vitamin C flush (10,000 mg/day) - I used the powdered form that is sold by Gary Null (the obnoxious but very knowledgeable health guru).

Hope your daughter is her well self again soon & you're both stronger & wiser for the experience.

Green blessings,
Michelle (bushpoet)

    Bookmark   July 25, 2003 at 12:35PM
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Cinzia.....if you were a man, I would tell you how much I love you. >:)

    Bookmark   July 25, 2003 at 1:38PM
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Cinzia, ditto as per green goddess! happy to say that she is cured!

    Bookmark   July 26, 2003 at 4:20AM
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"Dandelion will neutralize the low pH  if you will  of the body"

"neutralize the low pH"?? Please explain what you mean by this statement ... pH in blood plasma and various other body solutions is among the most tightly regulated variables in human physiology.

    Bookmark   July 26, 2003 at 11:08AM
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I used to have chronic bladder infections and later realized that I had 8 kidney stones, one lodged in my ureter. My bladder was never fully draining which lead to chronic infections. One thing that I'd like to say first is that it's hard to tell if it's a UTI, bladder or kidney infection...for me anyway. As soon as I realized I had any type of infection I already had blood in my urine.
I would get temporary relief from antibiotics but as we all know, that causes other infections. **Cranberry juice contains a lot of sugar and that can sometimes make an infection worse.** My Dr always told me not to go out drinking and then come home and have sex because the sugar in the alcohol would make an infection more likely.
****The one thing that truly worked for me was an herb called UVA URSI. I believe it's bear grass but don't quote me on that. I would buy it in it's leaf form (not already crushed in a tea bag) put it in a tea ball and make my own tea. It tastes just horrible! But let me tell ya, it's really the only thing that gave me long term relief before passing the boulder in my ureter. Of course, no bubble baths or soaking in long hot jacuzzi's, etc.
I'm not an herbalist by hobby or trade ..nor am I a doctor. Symptoms that make you think you have an infection, be it bladder, kidney or uti can really be a symptom of something more a stone.
Good Luck.

    Bookmark   July 30, 2003 at 11:14PM
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well said..kfgesq...True it needs to be treated by antibiotics,,but there are natural ones galore.Watching the intake of sugar in all products,it will bring on more misery than we can count on.juice that helps to heal with no sugar in it,( chicken soup) whether its cranberries- although i would be eating them straight out of the freezer.Oil of oregano is a powerful antibiotic-anti-fungal-antiseptic and on and on.One drop in her juice,a few times a day.One drop under the tongue.high amounts of vitamin C 3 times a day.If my daughter was under 18,this is the route i would take before submitting her to the medical establishments and all their crap.She is now finding out(she's 22) that they don't know all they think they know,and mom probaly can heal more.(PHYSICAN HEAL THYSELF, AND DO NO HARM) AND TOUCH OTHER LIVES WHEN WE CAN.

    Bookmark   August 3, 2003 at 7:21AM
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Greenlady(7a Sunset 10)

Wow, I came to this forum for an answer to this very question, and it was on the front page!! Thanks to all who answered.

    Bookmark   August 8, 2003 at 10:05AM
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christiner(S. Oregon zone7)

What I am getting from this thread is: Everything you need to heal yourself is right in your back yard. Eat the Dandelions - they are there to help, not vex you. Make tea of your Kinnickinnick (uva ursi) and eat some cranberries, eat plenty of the Vitamin C rich fruit in your yard, try Oregon Grape Root tea and pardon my coarseness, but airing your parts in the Goddess given sunshine once in a while may help prevent getting the infection in the first place!

If it isn't actually, literally, broken, you are entirely capable of fixing it. Best of luck!


    Bookmark   March 12, 2004 at 11:42PM
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Cressida(z7a NC)

I'm surprised that no-one mentioned cranberry pills. I had problems with chronic UTIs for a few years after college and was on a constant "preventative" dose of Keflex, but I was still sick all the time. I was hanging out with one of my hippie friends one day when I was in more pain than usual and told her how I'd been on antibiotics for over a year and the look she gave me....well, let's just say she was almost comically horrified. Anyway, she insisted that I try cranberry pills. They helped, a lot, but since the problem was so severe at the time, I bought a womens' herbal book and tried a few other herbs, which have been mentioned here. One thing that was suggested, that felt absolutely lovely, was to boil cornsilk (I always used the same pot of water that I'd just used to boil the corn) and then remove the silk and pour the remaining water into a nice warm bath tub. It was so soothing.

It took time, but I got off the antibiotics almost immediately and started feeling some real relief with the herbal remedies. I haven't had a full blown infection in over five years. Someone else mentioned about all the sugar in cranberry juice. I couldn't even find straight cranberry juice, it was always "cranberry juice coctail," of which the main ingredient is apple juice. At least for me, it was useless. But the pills are great.

Some other good tips for UTIs, most of which you probably know, but it never hurts to be reminded:

*wear only 100% cotton underwear. Thongs are pretty much out of the question.
*Don't wear tight pants
*don't wear underwear to bed
*shower AND pee before AND after sexual activity - it may not be terribly romantic, but neither is peeing blood. There aren't too many things that'll kill a libido faster than a bladder infection.
*wipe front to back
*drink water - if you're suffering now, or have frequent infections, drink nothing but water or herbal tea. And drink a lot. Fill up a big cup of water and carry it around with you, take it in the car, etc.
*no caffeine
*When you pee, after you're finished peeing, sit there for another minute or so with the muscles relaxed. Often, you'll be surprised that a few more drops will come down. This is a good thing.
*I know the last poster was being silly, but s/he's exactly right about airing yourself out. This is probably TMI, but after I shower, I lay down on my bed and turn a fan on me and air dry for a few minutes. It's a lovely feeling, a great way to start the day, and it's good for me too.
*lastly, those pre-moistened wipes are a godsend for women with heavy periods, young children, and/or UTIs.

Be well!

    Bookmark   April 22, 2004 at 3:50AM
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Consult your family Dr.
Meanwhile continue on cranberry juce and dried cranberry fruits.


    Bookmark   April 22, 2004 at 5:21AM
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babanna(z5 NY)

I have to say after reading guys have strong opinions!!! That's fine just remember though if in pain or in a state of jeopardizing your body...go see a doctor. I work with a few doctors who also specialize in natural healing as well. You would be surprised who is out there these days. But sometimes you will need to be treated by an antibiotic! Why? Well namely because I sincerely doubt whether everyone is adept at collecting and properly dosing the natural ingredients for all things that they might need them for.
and lastly...if your daughter takes baths....take a look at the soap product you are using and the amount of time she is exposing herself to the soap but staying in the water. Alot of young girls were suspect to UTI's when Mr. Bubble first came out.
glad she is feeling better now. Best of luck and happy herbing everyone!

    Bookmark   April 28, 2004 at 1:04AM
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carla(z9 Lousiana)

When I have a bladder infection I always take cream of tarter and within 20 minutes everything is ok! 1 teaspoon of tarter mixed with one glass of water.....I'm glad she is doing ok, I know that it is very painful.

    Bookmark   May 22, 2004 at 7:27PM
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Hi guys,
Just wanted to jump back to something that herbalpower said earlier. Sorry it's a little off subject.
I have looked at this forum a number of times as it is a subject that really intrestes me, but every time I have asked a question or replied to something I have been shot down, usually in a condisendending manner, or told to look it up.
I realize that some of you are very knowledgable, but please lets try to be nice to each other, especially to those folks who come here and are not as knowledgable as you.

    Bookmark   May 23, 2004 at 9:38AM
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Stephanite(z3 Alberta)

Drinking Cranberry Juice once a week (or taking the pills) helps prevent bladder infections. But don't take matters into your own hands if you have an infection. Go see a doctor (medical or natural). Basically get someone that knows their stuff!!

A friend of mine was having problems from a bladder infection and went online and followed whatever was said on some site. The bladder infection spread to her kidneys and she ended up in the hospital for a couple of days.

What I'm saying is:

1) don't take matters into your own hands; seek proper advice
2) don't believe everything you read

    Bookmark   May 31, 2004 at 9:02PM
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hi, dr. jonathan wright reccomends d-mannose to fix most bladder infections. tubsubman

    Bookmark   June 10, 2004 at 1:15AM
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Wow. I was just talking about sweeping generalizations in my email and I think it applies here. I'm a nurse by trade and a gardener by heart so I think I've seen the best/worst of both aspects. It's maddening to me when people come in with 2 page lists of the medications they are taking! As someone here said, side effects being medicated by yet more drugs. Let's not forget that when we are treating ourselves with our herbal remedies, those are medicines too. I've had one true bladder infection and it came up on me like a slap in the face. Very uncomfortable. I drank a lot of cranberry juice that first day and it really helped as far as the discomfort went. But I needed the antibiotics to clear it up. Lori

    Bookmark   June 10, 2004 at 2:02AM
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tree_planter(z9 CA)

Kidney infections and UTI run in the family--seems to be a regular occurrence here particularly when the weather is hot. Myrrh, parsley, and cranberry pills usually do the trick quite quickly, though, and doctor visits over the kidneys and bladder have been rarely necessary since we dicovered this. Myrrh is very important because it is used to increase (multiply) the white blood cells in the body. It also kills bacteria. You may want to use yarrow also--another immune stimulant, which is used in addition to heal any mucous membranes (keep in mind that it is a strong clotting agent, though myrrh is mildly anti-clotting) Parsley is used to cleanse the system, which is actually quite important(you can subtitute dandelion and uva ursi). Cranberry only works if it is UNsweetened (not even natural sweeteners) so capsules are probably best. Marshmallow helps if there is scar tissue from a bad infection.

Then if all else fails, do see a doctor. If the infection is really bad, they are needed, in spite of their very real problem with nosiness.

    Bookmark   June 24, 2004 at 1:41AM
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I think you are right about not bothering with a doctor. I
haven't been to one yet that finds out EXACTLY what bacteria
causes the problem, most of them just give you cipro and
get on with their lives. Most of my bladder infections have
been due to yeast infections I got from eating too much
sugary crap. Quit sugar filled foods and you will have
fewer problems with bacteria in general. If you don't like
cranberry juice, blueberry juice works just as well. You
can also use ecinacea in adjunct with other treatments if
the infection looks like its having more fun than you.
black-eyed susans and other Rudbeckias work as well as
Echinacea and can be used in a pinch if you have some in
your yard. The fresh leaves are better than any dried product, use a lot and often. Some of the Rudbeckias will
need to be strained for the irritating hairs before use
as tea.

    Bookmark   June 24, 2004 at 6:00PM
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Cressia...your remark about the premoisten use the may be causing your infections. Some alternative stores have baby wipes which are safer...I dont think any chemicals need be introduced through an opening to the body as it is very intrusive and potential side effects are at risk. Its like tampons or menstral pads whiten with bleach- chlorine bleach is one of the greatest dioxins in the world...why would you want to use a controversal product at the sake of possible side effects? There are many unbleached alternatives in most health or coop stores.

Also take a look at what you soak your body in at bath time. Read the ingredients and then look up all the ingredients on the internet under the government where each drug and its effects are listed. Educate yourself and be more responsible for what you are introducing to your body.

    Bookmark   June 27, 2004 at 12:42AM
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bivalve18(5 Downeast ME)

I just read the sting of responses regarding how to treat bladder infections. I have one now and am on antibiotics. This is my third infection in 6 years (about one every 2 years or so..)Ânot exactly chronic, but I have noticed that they get worse each time. The first one was mild and went away in a day, during the second I had some blood clots (sorry if this is gross), and when I got this last one, I never had any pain or ergency until I was already peeing copius quantities of blood and had large, painful clots.
I have not gotten satisfying answers from my doctor about whether this "pattern" is normal. I am feeling better, but now I have aching and stiffness in my lower body that radiates down my legs. Does anyone know if this is a side-effect of the antibiotics (as sulfa-drug) or a sign of a bladder or other infection or maybe not related at all? I will try the remedies you recommended here, but also wondered if anyone has experienced something similar and may have more specific suggestions.

    Bookmark   March 3, 2005 at 10:26AM
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johnyb(QLD Aust)

Did your doctor take a full blood test as part of treatment?

    Bookmark   March 3, 2005 at 6:09PM
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On the topic of antibiotics, Garlic anyone?

I think I read through this whole thread, and I don't think anyone mentioned it! It has no side-effects besides making you stinky, you can't take too much, and it's powerful. I would highly suggest anyone who suspects an infection of any sort get on high doeses ASAP, along with tons of water and vit c.

    Bookmark   May 9, 2005 at 8:11PM
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While garlic is one of my favorite herbs (and may have anti-bacterial activity in certain situations), it is not totally innocuous. It can negatively interact with some drugs (including blood thinners and anti-cancer agents).

More here.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2005 at 8:17AM
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I am and 18 year old female, sexually active, and I have had a bladder infection for about 7-8 days now. There was initially blood in my pee, it had a strong odour and it HURTS TO PEE!!! I constantly feel like I have to go when I don't, making me loose a lot of sleep (who can sleep when they're bladder is ACHING to go!!??). What are some quick/easy fixes? At the point is it necessary that I go to the doctor?

    Bookmark   January 25, 2006 at 9:03AM
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Citygirl....please go to the don't want to end up with an infection in your kidneys. In the meantime take some cranberry pills - they may help the pain.

    Bookmark   January 25, 2006 at 5:34PM
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kfgesq - just consider this... What if your daughter were to have some other problem either along with, as a result of, or even mimicking what you have 'diagnosed' as a bladder infection? What if it got worse internally without you're being aware of it? What if, by the time you decided she should have 'medical' help it was too late - or that the help then really did require something (i.e. surgery) that had 'side effects'? Apart from the fact you could even be in big trouble with the law for not having her seen at the beginning, what state of health would you be leaving her with at that point? How dare you perpetrate your nutty ideas on a child! You have every right to do what you want with your own body, but NOT with hers - she is not your 'property' but a person in her own right who has the right to the best care possible, and that's not found on some internet website!

    Bookmark   January 26, 2006 at 4:29AM
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Hi - I've sent you a private e-mail message.

    Bookmark   January 27, 2006 at 5:57AM
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On the subject of recurring bladder infections: the most
recent research on Medscape tends to suggest that Mycoplasma
infections may be becoming the new STD. These can cause
chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia. Very Few GYN's
test for this or know squat about it. We need to get our
doctors to pay attention to research. Used to be they
learned from the lay folk but now most of 'em think they're
too good to do this. It is about time we got them back on track. See the LaCrosse, Wisconsin Study on Mycoplasmas for

    Bookmark   February 21, 2006 at 9:12PM
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Physicians know that Chlamydia and Mycoplasma can be uncommon sources of bladder infections (special testing is done in cases where there are symptoms of bladder infection but standard cultures don't grow anything). Nothing new there.

As to fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome, there's been no conclusive link shown between either disorder and Mycoplasma. It's just one of a number of areas being studied.

Here is a link that might be useful: Bladder infections - diagnosis and treatment

    Bookmark   February 21, 2006 at 9:42PM
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take some ginger root and take skin off and cut up the ginger and put in pot of water and boil for about 20 minutes, cut off, and cover...let stay in pot all day to get strong , then warm and drink as many cups as you like per day, and you should see what the results.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2006 at 4:54PM
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I have used noni fruit leather. It is much more palatable than noni juice. I found it at Hope this info helps...

    Bookmark   October 17, 2006 at 4:23AM
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hi im a 19 year old female. In the beginning of september i got the strong urge to pee and it hurt alot at the end of each pee. i went to the town clinic and they gave me antibiotics to help me, they helped! but after i was done taking the pills about a week later it came back , and worse from the first one, so i decided to go to MY OWN doctor...he said it didn't fully go away so he put me on different antibiotics, and they worked better then the first, but it is now november 5th 06 and i think i have it again, well i know i have it again...exact same going crazy here..please help me, im scared!

    Bookmark   November 5, 2006 at 9:33AM
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herbman(norflk england)

I,ve just come across this link and would like to suggest Couch grass (Quich grass , Speargrass)it worked for my Daughter when antibiotics were failing.

    Bookmark   November 10, 2006 at 6:01AM
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Blueberries and cranberries are soposed to have the ability to not allow and or unstick the bacteria in the uninary system from the walls and flush the bacteria out. I do not recommend drinking cranberry juice because it is high in sugars most of the time which can make infections harder to heal.

From what I have learned when we have candida in our bodies that can cause use to get bladder infections so detoxing from that also helps in not getting them.

I have also learned that the flower that grows by the 1000s all over the place called goldenrod acts as a diuretic and helps flush out the urinary system to get rid of the bacteria.

I have had tons of bladder infections. I find using the stuff I mentioned helps me. I know how miserable the UTI's/bladder infections can be.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2007 at 9:07PM
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There's good evidence that cranberry juice (and maybe blueberry juice) can help prevent bladder infections, but not cure them once the infection is established. Vitamin C can also help prevent infections (by acidifying the urine). Persistent symptoms mean antibiotics are probably necessary, to prevent more serious problems (i.e. a kidney infection).

Candida is blamed for everything under the sun but is not a typical cause of bladder infections (bacteria are usually the culprit).

    Bookmark   November 14, 2007 at 10:44AM
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One thing you might try for infections is neem and boron. Three pills each, neem leaf extract and (I use country life)boron. This is good for a number of infections. Also you might try oregon grape root. You can pick the stems and boil them a few minutes then simmer about 45 minutes to extract the berberine. A Chinese herb with berberine that works well for most infections is huang lien(this is a patent mixture. Follow the directions. Do NOT take more than the recommended dose, as this can make some things, like Chlamydia, worse if you try to do more). If your bladder infections are caused by candida, antibiotics will make them more prevalent. What do they smell like? Trichomonas infections smell bad, for instance. Antibiotic resistant bacteria are very common, and bacteria trade resistance across several different species. You might want to see a Chinese herbal practitioner for herbs specific to your body type and disorder.

    Bookmark   December 13, 2007 at 10:20PM
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lwowk(6-B NJ)

Cranberry juice is actually better red than white when treating bladder infections. Cranberries work to prevent the bacteria from adhering to the walls of the bladder so that they can be flushed from her system. Have her drink as much as possible both during the infection and for at least two weeks after symptoms disappear. It would be good to have her continue to drink cranberry juice on a regualr basis as a preventative as well.

Be sure to check that it is 100% juice and is mostly if not all cranberry. I don't know how old she is but if she can swallow tablets you can buy cranberry tablets for her to take as well.

    Bookmark   January 31, 2011 at 7:29PM
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Thanks everyone. I need to do the "two weeks after" for my own recurring UTI.

For the record, i'm not young, but I continue to have recurring bladder infections and this should be serious,right? One particularly nasty episode I fought with the usual increased water intake, cranberry juice (and probably a little turmeric). It was persistent. I continued with home treatment while I waited for an appointment with the doc a week later. He ran the tests. Zero infection. Nada problems. I hope that helps with some credibility on herbal control for bladder infection for someone without other underlying health problems.

It works. But I need PREVENTATIVE MEASURES through lifestyle changes and to continue treatment well after the infection seems to have disappeared. I simply don't drink enough water.

If these changes don't work, I'll see the doc about potential underlying issues. But I continue to have success with these home remedies.

    Bookmark   September 28, 2014 at 8:05PM
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Drinking cranberry juice might be helpful in controlling UTIs. Taking cranberry supplement pills probably won't be.

âÂÂThere is an active ingredient in cranberries that can prevent adherence of bacteria to the bladder wall, particularly E. coli,â says urologist Courtenay Moore, MD. âÂÂBut most of the studies have shown that juice and supplements donâÂÂt have enough of this active ingredient, A-type proanthocyanidins (PACs), to prevent bacteria from sticking to the urinary tract.âÂÂ

Overall, clinical studies on the efficacy of cranberry juices and extracts for the prevention of UTIs are conflicting.

In 2012, the Cochrane Data Base identified 24 studies comparing cranberry products (juice or extracts) to control or alternative treatments. The review found that compared with placebo, cranberry products did not significantly reduce the occurrence of UTIs. The effectiveness of cranberry was not significantly different to antibiotics for women.

Also, because supplements are not regulated by the FDA, it is not known how much of the active ingredient each product contains. Therefore, many of the products may not have enough of the active ingredient to be effective in preventing bacterial adherence to the bladder wall."

I drink a concentrated cranberry juice (much stronger than the usual bottled cranberry cocktail), although not for UTI prevention. I don't know what its PAC content is, though it's likely significantly higher than in cranberry juice cocktail mixes.

Here is a link that might be useful: cranberry juice and UTIs

    Bookmark   September 29, 2014 at 9:02AM
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And here I am again five months later. I saw the practitioner today because I have a serious kidney infection. What I wrote before was true. For some reason it returned with a vengeance and nothing would stop the spread while i sufficiently hindered the bladder infection. I think it staved off fever and serious illness until now:

Juice of 1 lemon
1tbsp honey
1tsp turmeric
1tsp baking soda
in 8oz water

I only did this once a day. Looking back, I probably should have dosed myself with turmeric and garlic 2-3 times a day in addition. I did increase my water intake. At present, I carry a gallon of water around with me. lol

She found "a little" protein in the quick urinalysis but absolutely demanded I not miss a dose of the antibiotic (levaquin) and that I swear to return in three weeks to check if it is gone and to have additional tests run.

We are both worried about kidney damage. I advise people to be cautious or honest with themselves.

    Bookmark   February 11, 2015 at 3:05AM
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