red raspberries and black raspberries

cntrygrlathrt(5-6)April 7, 2009

I have been reading and following several raspberry threads and even done a search for the answers but I haven't been able to find the answers to the questions that I have. I planted reds in the fall, i am not sure what kind of reds. I bought them(6 plants) from someone who was thinning out her patch. They seemed to have wintered well, with bits of green on 5 of them now. A few days ago I bought some black raspberries (about seven plants) from someone thinning out the patch and have not planted yet. I know from reading they behave very differently than the reds. I have a smaller yard than most of my nieghbors but enough room to put in a garden bed with dimintions around 25x15 feet, but want to plant other edibles in that space too

Here are my questions:

1. How closely can the black and reds be planted? Both will be planted in full sun. I don't have trees with shade to speak of, It is a newer housing division.

2. Can I put in a veggie garden around the berries?

3. Will the berries cross pollinate? This is not my intention.

4. Will they fruit at different times? Not a concern just wondering.

5. I had rabbits eat the reds down over the winter. the reds didn't have big thorns. Will the rabbits touch the black ones? They have bigger thorns than reds.

Hopefully I provided enough information to get some answers or opinions. Thanks for reading, pondering and answering in advance.

Billie

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tyler_j(6a)

From what i've read they black raspberries should not be planted close to reds because black raspberry are more prone to disease spread apparently.

I believe the plants will cross pollinate but unless you are worried about growing the seeds from the berries your plants produce it won't be a concern.

Rabbits will chew on black raspberry plants. i think they will chew on anything actually!!! I've had to fence off mine to keep them out.

They will fruit at about the same time. The red might fruit again in the fall if you have an everbearing variety.

    Bookmark   April 7, 2009 at 12:54PM
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cntrygrlathrt(5-6)

Thank you for posting a response, tyler. Would you know how close too close is? Do you think it would be ok if I planted them on opposite sides of the garden?

    Bookmark   April 7, 2009 at 1:17PM
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tyler_j(6a)

This is the only quote I could find that talks about the 2 being planted near each other.

"Red raspberries are planted 3 ft apart in the row with 8-10 ft between rows. Black raspberries are set 2-1/2 ft apart with 8-10 ft between rows being adequate to prevent spread of fungus diseases which tend to be prevalent with the plantings in closer rows."

So if your garden is 8-10 feet across you are probably good to go!!! :)

    Bookmark   April 7, 2009 at 2:07PM
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cntrygrlathrt(5-6)

Thank you again...May I ask where you found your quote? Would love to read more about both. There is so much out there to read that it is hard to sort thru to find the info. thank you again. Happy Spring!!

    Bookmark   April 7, 2009 at 2:19PM
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tyler_j(6a)

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/hil-8204.html

This is the site I found the quote.

    Bookmark   April 8, 2009 at 8:29AM
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athenainwi

I ended up putting my black and red raspberries next to each other. It has been two years now and I have not seen any disease problems. My black raspberries fruit before the reds and overlap a bit with the first crop on my reds but my reds are everbearing and I prune them to get both crops.

Rabbits love raspberry plants and even the nasty thorns on the black raspberries don't stop them. If you have summer bearing reds then you'll need to protect the canes over the winter or you won't get berries since they fruit on second year canes. You'll need to protect the black raspberries too since they also fruit on second year canes.

Both types of raspberries spread easily, so I would leave a space between them and the veggie garden. Reds spread underground through runners and end up taking over anything planted near them. Blacks are a bit more manageable as they spread by tip rooting so you only have to keep the tips of the canes from touching the ground if you don't want more plants. You can do this through a combination of trellising and pruning.

    Bookmark   April 8, 2009 at 10:31AM
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joberry(5 Ohio)

Look up Nourse Farms and they have a great planting guide online. There is a lot of good info there.

    Bookmark   April 9, 2009 at 12:40AM
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