triazicide caution - bottle label

mes111(5b -Purling NY & 7b -Nassau County NY)July 15, 2013

CAREFUL!!!!! - READ THE LABEL !!!!

This past weekend I ran out and needed some more ... neither Home Depot nor Lowe's had it so I went to the local Walmart.

I found that the 32 oz. bottle comes in 2 different shapes AND strengths. SEE PHOTOS.

One is .25% and the other is .08% strength .

Both say "Once and Done".
The .08% bottle is shiny plastic with the spout in the middle.
The .25% bottle is dull plastic with the spout is to the side.

AND I found BOTH VARIETIES next to each other at WALMART and they were both the same price.

THE PROBLEM I SEE is that if one was using .08% and does not read the bottle and mixes the stuff from the new bottle at the same rate as from the empty then one would be dosing at triple the strength without realizing it.

Mike

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mes111(5b -Purling NY & 7b -Nassau County NY)

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    Bookmark   July 15, 2013 at 3:38PM
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mes111(5b -Purling NY & 7b -Nassau County NY)

08 strength

    Bookmark   July 15, 2013 at 3:39PM
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mes111(5b -Purling NY & 7b -Nassau County NY)

25 strength

    Bookmark   July 15, 2013 at 3:40PM
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franktank232(z5 WI)

My bottle from a few years ago shows .08... i wonder if they didn't up the chemical because it was too weak to do anything?

    Bookmark   July 15, 2013 at 4:12PM
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mes111(5b -Purling NY & 7b -Nassau County NY)

The mixing instructions on the bottle ARE ADJUSTED for the different strength. The instructions do advise three times as much per gallon on the weaker version.

My caution was to be careful not to go on autopilot when mixing. If I had both bottles on my shelf and ran out I might pick up the nest bottle and mix at the same rate I used on the previous. I would either wind up with a too weak solution which is worthless or one that or one that was too strong and could be dangerous.

On other threads here some people were complaining that TRIAZICIDE was not working. Theories ran from "stale" to to "heat" damaged product. Maybe some of the people who were reporting poor results were mixing the .08% as if it was .25% and getting too weak a solution

Mike

    Bookmark   July 15, 2013 at 4:31PM
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swampsnaggs

The .25% bottle appears to me to be the older version. When they cut the product back to .08% it didn't work as well for a lot of people. I am talking about the people who read the label and mix correctly. Still not gonna be enough product. Imagine selling orange juice with .08% orange juice. That would be less than 1/10th of 1 percent orange juice. What is in the 99.92 percent of other stuff. Is it to extend shelf life? Is it a harmless carrier or can it hurt the applicator? Trade secret?

    Bookmark   July 15, 2013 at 4:38PM
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ltilton

I'm one of the people who complained about its ineffectiveness, and I was using the .08 version at the recommended strength. iirc this is the only version I've used, as the directions have always been the same.

btw, if you look really really closely at the label of the .08 version, you can see where it says "concentrate" it's "concentrate 2"

    Bookmark   July 15, 2013 at 4:45PM
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mes111(5b -Purling NY & 7b -Nassau County NY)

Isn't mixing 3 oz. .08% per gallon the same as 1oz. of the .25% per gallon the same?

Mike

    Bookmark   July 15, 2013 at 6:59PM
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swampsnaggs

It costs virtually the same for less product So there is less of the product in the same size container for virtually the same price. If the product degrades, you have even less product to work with. Your mixing ratio is fine. We gardeners are watching our list of effective products get watered down, eliminated, and replaced to the point of ineffectiveness.

    Bookmark   July 15, 2013 at 8:38PM
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mes111(5b -Purling NY & 7b -Nassau County NY)

I have both bottles at my orchard. I will be there agaon this weekend and I will look to see if there are any manufacturing dates.

BUT....I saw both bottles on the Walmart shelf at the same time( I boight the .25%, both were $7.98 ). It seems unlikely that this is a mixture of old and new stock.

Mike

    Bookmark   July 15, 2013 at 10:07PM
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mes111(5b -Purling NY & 7b -Nassau County NY)

Itilton

Didn't mean to imply that you werent following directions. Just that if one got used to mixing from a .25 and then. Did not realize that the next bottle was .08 it might result in inneffectivess. I would not have thought to look but for the fact that the bottles were next to each other on the shelf.

Mike

    Bookmark   July 15, 2013 at 10:19PM
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ltilton

Mike - I'm sure you're quite right.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2013 at 12:08AM
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