Pioneer Roses from Antique Rose Emporium

alameda/zone 8February 1, 2014

Just got my 2014 catalog today - there are 8 new Pioneer roses! I love these roses - now am probably going to have to pick up some of these when I visit in April.

I don't hear many comments about these roses on the forums. Do many of you grow them? If so, which ones do you grow and which do you like? Any photos?

I grow and like Star of the Republic [wish it would bloom a little more, but smells so good and the blooms are gorgeous], Cole's Settlement [tall and a lovely though not heavy scent but one I really like - large blooms], FJ Lindheimer [beautiful yellow/orange blooms, may need another of these], Forever Irene [been with me a year, blooms well, pretty, seems to be staying small], Joe Woodard [nice yellow, smaller blooms], Miss Lillian [love the scent], Old Baylor - [larger type shrub, healthy, lots of blooms all the time], Sweet Verlin [smaller shrub, beautiful pink blooms], Thomas Affleck [great shrub, gorgeous hot pink blooms, always in bloom], Sweet Frances [new last year, growing well].

They seem very well suited for growing in a cottage garden with other plants.

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plantloverkat zone 9a north Houston(zone 9a)

I grow a few of these. I have Lady Pamela Carol in a large pot in my pot ghetto - I hope to get her planted in the next few weeks. Last spring I planted Mrs. Sam Houston, Thomas Affleck and Anson Jones. Within the last few months I added Sweet Pea, Rockwall Sesquicentennial and Engelmann's Quest. Anson Jones, Thomas Affleck, Mrs. Sam Houston and Lady Pamela Carol all produce lovely orange hips. I haven't had the others long enough to comment on them.

I am also excited about the new introductions for this year, and I am eager to find out more information about them as they are not yet on ARE's website.

So far Lady Pamela Carol is my favorite. She blooms in regular flushes throughout the year. Although her butter colored flowers do fade somewhat, they never fade to white, and they look nice until the petals fall. Here are some photos of her growing in a large pot in my pot ghetto in March 2013.

    Bookmark   February 1, 2014 at 11:33AM
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lou_texas(8a N Central TX)

Judith, I've been enjoying my Stephen F Austin for several years now. I don't normally care for dark yellow or orangey roses, but this one is light yellow and charming when the centers show. It bleaches to nearly white so I plan the bed accordingly. I love it, and I always feel happy when I look at it. Fragrance is wonderful. Lou

    Bookmark   February 3, 2014 at 1:44PM
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sammy zone 7 Tulsa

Thomas Affleck is one of the most outstanding roses in my garden. I have 2 or 3 of them. I like Star of the Republic, and was prepared for it to not be a heavy bloomer.

Sweet Francis is pretty, and I think I will like Old Baylor, Nancy Gay, and Miss Lillian.
F.J. Lindheimer needs spray in my garden. It was either weak, and the black spot killed it, or it was a good rose, but had to be sprayed.

I also have Lady Pamela Carol and Stephen Austin. They do not show Lynn's Legacy, and I am not sure about it.

What I like about ARE is that if you want to know about a rose, they will give you quite a bit of information. Also some roses may be more vulnerable to disease than other, and they will be honest about what is best for our climate.

I am anxious to find the time to look up the new roses. I need to do that soon since our weather has been colder and dryer than I can ever remember. I have not felt confident to turn on water all year. If the lines are frozen, the pipes go, and we have a real mess.


    Bookmark   February 3, 2014 at 2:31PM
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If I still lived in TX, I'd definitely have some of these in my garden. I've heard good things from friends in my state of origin. I'm curious to see if anyone from my area is growing any and, if so, how the roses are faring in this climate. Lady Pamela Carol is lovely...and named after a founding Rose Rustler! Carol

    Bookmark   February 3, 2014 at 6:36PM
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Haven't tried any except Sweet Pea, which is doing fine. I don't live close to ARE so it's nice to read your reports--they aren't stocked much locally.

Glad to read how good Thomas Affleck is--& what a great name to give it.

    Bookmark   February 3, 2014 at 7:06PM
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alameda/zone 8

I adore Thomas Affleck - and Sweet Pea too. I was lucky enough to get the one plant they had a couple of years ago of Lavender Pink Parfait - its now a big bush. They may have more in stock now. I don't see these lovely roses discussed much so hoping those of you who grow them will comment and post photos. I cant wait to go - hope I can get quite a few of these new Pioneers. We go in April when the bluebonnets are in full bloom and have a picnic on the breezy hill - just heaven!

    Bookmark   February 3, 2014 at 10:48PM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

Unfortunately I think I chose the wrong one, Meir y Teran. I don't see it for sale anymore. it must grow better in Texas than it does here. I've had it in the ground for a few years and it hasn't grown or bloomed.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 10:07AM
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alameda/zone 8

Sorry to hear that. It was one I wanted to try.......I have a Graham Thomas that was healthy but never bloomed. I was advised to fertilize it with Carl Pool BR 61 and that did make a difference. You might try different fertilizers on it - maybe it is missing something.

    Bookmark   February 7, 2014 at 2:58AM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

I'm thinking that it must have a good dose of tea in it. Sometimes they take a long time to build here. I really like the idea of the Pioneer Roses. If it wasn't a drought year I would try some others.

    Bookmark   February 7, 2014 at 9:13AM
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plantloverkat zone 9a north Houston(zone 9a)

I just discovered that most of the new Pioneer roses have now been added to the Antique Rose Emporium's website.

Here is a link that might be useful: Texas Pioneer Roses at ARE

    Bookmark   February 13, 2014 at 4:54PM
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I grow Miss Lillian, Thomas Affleck, Rockwall Sesquicentennial and Joe Woodard. They are all excellent

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 7:02PM
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gnabonnand(Zone 8 Texas)

Thomas Affleck is a stellar performer in my garden. Healthy, tough, productive and beautiful.


    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 9:32PM
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alameda/zone 8

I plan to make a visit to ARE as soon as I get a break from foaling mares [am sitting up with one tonight]. I want to see their spring flush. I have Thomas Affleck and love him. Joe Woodard has lots of buds on it right now. Miss Lillian isn't a prolific bloomer for me, but I love the color and scent. Forever Irene is a 2 yr. old and it is starting to bloom well - like the full rich rose pink colored blooms. Old Baylor is full of white blooms. One of my favorites is Star of the Republic - beautiful full pink/apricot colored blooms with a nice scent. Sweet Verlin is a really pretty pink, but I would like to see the bush fill out a bit more. I am interested in all the new Pioneer roses they have - want to try several.

    Bookmark   May 4, 2014 at 1:09AM
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sammy zone 7 Tulsa

I would love to visit ARE this time of year, or a little later.
I have many of the Pioneer roses, and except for one, they have been very nice roses.

At this point my garden is a mess. I cannot even tell for sure what has died, and what may come back from the roots. That is the great thing about this nursery. Even though the winter has been cold and dry, even though there are dead brown or even black canes, if we wait, they may return. I have about 8 roses waiting to replace what has died, but so far I am not sure what roses to give up on.

We discuss other nurseries here, but I can rely on ARE in my climate. Not only are they own root, but they are grown without spray, and I feel that they have good customer service.


    Bookmark   May 5, 2014 at 5:36AM
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alameda/zone 8

Sammy, if you don't mind my asking, which Pioneer has not done well for you? Of mine, though I love the color, I want Sweet Verlin to leaf out more and become a bigger healthier bush. They all grow well and have had no winter dieback, but east Texas doesn't have, probably, as severe winter as you do. There are so many interesting new varieties this year - I hope to get up there maybe this week and would like to try most of the new ones. They do have excellent customer service. Once when I couldn't make it there [its a 3 hour drive] I ordered and got huge beautiful plants. Wish they would get some of the rare Vintage roses and start selling them.....

    Bookmark   May 5, 2014 at 11:01AM
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Brittie - La Porte, TX 9a

I went today! Everything looks really beautiful. I didn't see any of the new pioneer roses, but it is possible that I was just totally dazzled and missed them. There were a lot of empty spaces in the Pioneer section.

    Bookmark   May 6, 2014 at 8:27PM
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sammy zone 7 Tulsa

Judith, of all the successes, the one was F.J Lindheimer. The black spot was very bad then it died. I will not even consider spraying, and they do not spray either. As I mention this rose, I need to say that I had one, and considered it a weak rose. It could be that there was something wrong with the rose that weakened it first, then it became vulnerable to black spot.

Thomas Affleck is a success. Star of the Republic is beautiful. I ordered another Sweet Francis. I have Joe Woodard, Lady Pamela Carol, Stephen Austin, Old Baylor, Odee Pink, Lynn's Legacy. All of the roses are a success.

I prefer ARE because I feel that the weather is similar to ours. They can advise more about the heat than other nurseries. Also the shipping cost is much more economical than any other nursery.

Our zone is about the last one listed for Roses Unlimited, and the cost is very high to purchase one or many roses.

I do not know much about Vintage except that I love the letter or notice that the owner wrote about "myths" of rose care. When I am desperate, and need to get through my beds as quickly as possible, I need to know what will be bad for my roses, and what will be bad if i am going to compete or show my roses. His "myths" addressed that.

I have also gotten beautiful roses from Chamblees, but many of the Buck roses are very vulnerable to black spot here.

I intend to add to my Pioneer Roses each year.


    Bookmark   May 7, 2014 at 5:00AM
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alameda/zone 8

Sammy, I have FJ Lindheimer - mine is doing well, and even though I don't think it is an optimal spot, it has good growth. It gets some morning sun, then filtered afternoon west sun. It is a 4-5' bush. I had a good spring flush, then will get scattered bloom. Probably needs more sun. I spray, but not on a regular basis. It does get blackspot but guess I spray enough to keep it in check. I have seen a group of them in the sales area that are just glorious in full bloom. A gardening friend lost his......maybe it just isn't a strong rose and I have gotten lucky. It is a beautiful color.

Like you, I want to add to my Pioneer roses each year. They are suited to my climate and do well. Star of the Republic is just dripping with blooms now - lovely!

I love ordering from Roses Unlimited - just got a shipment of 6, but you are right - shipping to our area is almost prohibitive so I get from them roses I cant get elsewhere - they really send nice roses.......all mine grow and do well, so it is worth it and Pat is just lovely to do business with.

I adore Chamblees and go as much as I can. I love a lot of the Bucks, tho you are right, some are BS susceptible...but he produced so many pretty ones! Great landscape roses.

I am waiting on my last mare to foal, when she does, I am off to ARE, hoping to catch the spring flush. Their gardens are a marvel - I spend hours just wandering around looking at everything. Anyone within driving distance of this wonderful nursery should go! Brittie, glad to hear things are still in bloom! I cant wait to go!

    Bookmark   May 7, 2014 at 11:20AM
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