Pakistan Mulberries

Suzi AKA DesertDance Zone 9bDecember 28, 2013

A forum member gave me an answer to a post over a year ago. I really wanted cuttings of the Pakistan variety of Mulberry. He was pruning his tree, which he started as a cutting, and according to all I've read, you stick them in the ground, and they will grow.

It's been a month now, but even in Southern California, our nights are in the 40's. The cuttings are green, and the buds look healthy.

We have about 16 cuttings planted in a row, on a drip system. Any experience with the Pakistan would be much appreciated.

We hope for one or two trees. If they all take, not sure what to do, but it might come to me.

Thanks!

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copingwithclay

I appreciate your eagerness to root these cuttings to get new trees started, and the Pakistan is a tree with fruit that many people enjoy. H o w e v e r .... you will be really beating the odds if any of these form roots Many other kinds of mulberries are more than willing to form roots on cuttings, but the Pak. is commonly found to promptly use it's stored milky sap to get the buds to swell and form leaves....without having the rooting hormone/whatever is needed to get roots to develop. You will likely smile at all the new leaves that quickly form, and later frown as each withers away after. When you do an autopsy, you will likely find ZERO roots at the bottom of the submerged stick..It might be easiest to just buy a young , rooted Pak tree to get started. Sorry.

    Bookmark   December 28, 2013 at 8:52PM
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Suzi AKA DesertDance Zone 9b

wow! The dude I got it from had a cutting he stuck in the ground, and the tree is growing too big, which is why I got the cuttings.

I think your concern is cute, but my faith is strong.

Stay tuned!

Suzi

    Bookmark   December 28, 2013 at 9:06PM
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Suzi AKA DesertDance Zone 9b

Hello! It occurred to me our zones are different. Where you live, a Pakistan can't cut it, but in my zone, it will rock!

Have a little zone envy? We all do at times.

    Bookmark   December 28, 2013 at 9:09PM
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fabaceae_native

desertdance, unfortunately the zone difference probably has very little to do with the different rooting success with Pakistan. I would be inclined to believe what Coping says, since he is comparing it to other mulberries.

If you check out some older posts on the subject you'll find that rooting success varies so widely with mulberries, from reports of sticking large branches into the ground and getting them to root, to the majority that just seem to fail. I've tried cuttings from several species of Morus, and many different trees, and only found one that roots reliably, and then only from very large previous year growth taken in winter and rooted in a pot inside with bottom heat. These same cuttings will not root outside in a garden bed (so far at least).

But even if you have to end up buying a Pakistan from the nursery, it's still fun to at least try rooting cuttings... Good luck!

    Bookmark   December 28, 2013 at 9:45PM
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persianmd2orchard

If anyone figures out the trick to rooting mulberries let me know. I have failed twice to propagate a stand out white mulberry. I'm going to try to graft this time which I hear does better for mulberries. The Pakistan gives great fruit Suzi you won't be disappointed with--no real acidity like a classic mulberry flavor, instead it has a unique sweetness that is quite rich, full, and very satisfying.

    Bookmark   December 28, 2013 at 11:57PM
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Tony(Zone 5. Omaha, Nebraska)

Suzi,

There is hope, You can learn how to Air-layering it with rooting hormone. Just Youtube Airlayering.

Tony

    Bookmark   December 30, 2013 at 7:11PM
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copingwithclay

Tony's idea to try airlayering on the Pak tree is a good one that I also have used to start some new Pak trees during the growing season when the leaves are busy photosynthesizing away. Instead of using a loose, stretchy wrapping to contain loose soil mix surrounding the upright 1/2" to 1" thick branch with a 1" wide strip of removed bark, I used a stiff, ridged, 2-part plastic "shell" that was duct-taped together tightly to contain densely-packed, moist soil mix. In about 6 weeks most of the compartments had roots developed inside. If you want more details, I could add them. Good luck. Don't loose the enthusiasm.

    Bookmark   December 31, 2013 at 2:35AM
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Janiemae753

Is there any place I can purchase a small Pakistan mulberry tree? We are here visiting from Texas and want to take one home. Any nurseries have them?

    Bookmark   January 16, 2014 at 11:00AM
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Bradybb WA-Zone8

How small and visiting where?Mine from Burnt Ridge was about four to five feet,but they grow quickly. Brady

    Bookmark   January 16, 2014 at 12:20PM
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Suzi AKA DesertDance Zone 9b

I potted up a couple of them, and am noticing green buds swelling, so I have listened to you and decided to give them a good jerk to see if I could pull them out of the pot. Nope! I grabbed on to one, lifted the pot, and it hung on. Big sign of roots. If there are no roots, the cutting will simply pop out. Two for sure, are rooted.

Tomorrow, I'll check the ones in-ground, at the bottom of the hill, and see how they are doing.

Suzi

    Bookmark   January 16, 2014 at 7:30PM
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Suzi AKA DesertDance Zone 9b

I just checked the ones down on the hill. They are 120' below the potted ones, and in full shade at 9:00 AM The hill shades them. They may not know how warm it is at the top of the hill, and show no signs of budding. One little one has no roots, but is still green stemmed.

I tried pulling a big one out and it didn't give. I suspect it has roots.

I planted these a day after they were cut. These were not cuttings that made a week trip across country. They were very fresh. They went into water immediately after being cut. That might be the difference between roots or none.

Local cuttings might have a better chance of rooting than those that come from a distance. No clue. Just wondering.

Suzi

    Bookmark   January 17, 2014 at 12:10PM
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yukkuri_kame(Sunset 19 / USDA 9)

Got some cuttings of Pakistan (both white & black, I think), Hunza and Weeping mulberry. I'll be grafting onto my big fruitless (male), which I did on a small-scale last year.

But I also want to try rooting some cuttings. Does anybody know anything about Hunza White Mulberry? Any idea on how easily they will root?

    Bookmark   January 26, 2014 at 7:14PM
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fabaceae_native

That's great if you're able to grow Pakistan from cuttings Suzi!

Cuttings from many plants won't root until they leaf out, so it sounds like you have been very fortunate with this attempt!

    Bookmark   January 28, 2014 at 9:34AM
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Suzi AKA DesertDance Zone 9b

Oh happy day! Today I checked the potted mulberry. I feel it has roots because it refuses to be pulled from it's pot.

I checked it, and then did a double take! Could those be mulberries? Wow!

The member I got the cuttings from told me his tree fruited the first year he stuck a cutting in the ground. I guess it's possible, but this is one of the cutest things I've ever seen!!

Suzi

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 5:40PM
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yukkuri_kame(Sunset 19 / USDA 9)

My mulberry grafts last year bore big, juicy fruit almost immediately.

Some pomegranate cuttings I had potted up tried to flower and fruit very early on, but I nipped that in the bud.

    Bookmark   February 6, 2014 at 2:02AM
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Suzi AKA DesertDance Zone 9b

So an update! Out of all the cuttings we planted, 5 survived. We did nothing except put them on a drip system. The 5 that lived obviously have roots. They are in ground (except for the one in a pot), and I was shocked to look down the acreage and see a pop of pure green coming up past a boulder. That is life people!

Sorry, naysayers! You can stick a Mulberry in the ground and it will root!

Suzi

    Bookmark   May 23, 2014 at 6:25PM
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Bradybb WA-Zone8

I hope they grow well Suzi.
This is the second straight year in my young Pakistan's life,that all the fruit is falling off while still green.Maybe next year. Brady

    Bookmark   May 23, 2014 at 9:32PM
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eloise_ca

Congrats Suzi! I rooted some cuttings in water and planted two. I was so thrilled until I went to check on my cuttings and those stupid rats (squirrels I am sure) chewed up all the leafing parts. I hope the small stems will continue growing but will put wiring or some sort of covering to protect them.

    Bookmark   May 24, 2014 at 9:54AM
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tillyjunkie

hello my fellow gardeners, can someone tell me where i can buy a few cuttings of this pakistan mulberry variety? i would really love to grow them. thanks!

    Bookmark   October 10, 2014 at 11:06PM
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