Help me Id this old rose

victoria129April 11, 2011

Can someone help me identify this rose? I am thinking maybe a hybrid perpetual. It was found at an old house place in North Alabama. the house was long gone so it is at least 40 years old. It grows well in South Alabama for me. It suckers, has 5 leaflets, 24 petals per flower. It is a silvery pink in color. It is rather ungainly in form, arching over and taking up a lot of space. It would probably be 6 or 7 feet high if it stood up straight. It only blooms in spring for me. I also posted in the Find this Rose forum, but have had no luck there.

Here is a link that might be useful: old found roses

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collinw(7b)

Can't help with an ID, but I have a very similar rose that I collected in Birmingham. Hope someone has an idea. Is is it fragrant?

    Bookmark   April 11, 2011 at 11:26PM
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victoria129

It is slightly fragrant.

    Bookmark   April 12, 2011 at 9:41AM
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victoria129

I should also add that it is moderately thorny.

    Bookmark   April 13, 2011 at 11:00AM
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brhgm(z8b LA)

Looks a lot like Maggie, but the color is not as deep. I would agree it could be a Bourbon.

    Bookmark   April 13, 2011 at 1:32PM
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nastarana(5a)

I also think it looks like a Bourbon. Don't HPs typically have a more upright growth habit?

    Bookmark   April 14, 2011 at 9:40AM
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victoria129

It is very disease resistant. I thought Bourbons were more prone to black spot, etc.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2011 at 10:07AM
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victoria129

Also, it only blooms in spring. Are there once blooming bourbons?

    Bookmark   April 14, 2011 at 11:44AM
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nastarana(5a)

There are. Vintage calls them hybrid bourbons, and has a special section of its' catalogue devoted to them. It might be that this one would show some repeat with TLC.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2011 at 11:07PM
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labrea_gw

Loos a little like a Hybrid Bourbon which is not uncommon in the US Gloire des Rosomanes

Here is a link that might be useful: Gloire des Rosomanes

    Bookmark   April 15, 2011 at 12:11AM
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victoria129

Thanks, everyone. I think you all have put me on the right track. I'm not sure about Gloire des Rosomanes, because mine is a light pink, rather than red, but now I'm thinking hybrid bourbon. It does have the five leaves and shark fin thorns of a bourbon.

    Bookmark   April 15, 2011 at 10:33AM
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victoria129

I think I've got it. Shailer's Provence, a centifolia bred by Henry Shailer (United Kingdom, 1799). Thanks for everyone's help.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2011 at 11:34AM
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olga_6b

It does not look like SP I grow. Also SP has VERY strong fragrance to me.
Olga

    Bookmark   May 2, 2011 at 8:31PM
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victoria129

My mother-in-law also grows this rose (we dug it up from the same old house place) and hers is fuller and more fragrant. She has better soil than I do. I don't have a great sense of smell, other people think it is more fragrant than I do. The number of leaves, bud pictures, suckering,and once flowering habit, are closer than any other rose I've found yet. The pictures at Help Me Find are almost identical to mine.

    Bookmark   May 3, 2011 at 10:09AM
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