new to noisettes

northtexasdude(7b)April 27, 2011

(moved this over from the Rose forum).

I couldn't be more happy that my 5 year old rose garden is doing well, and I am ready to expand. I have recently discovered the joy of noisettes, thanks to a very large Blush Noisette growing at a nearby house. I have an extremely long side yard that I am planning to put a Blush Noisette, but have room for about 2 more biggies. Any suggestions for other Noisettes? I'm in DFW zone8. very sunny spot. This is an extremely large area where the bushes will be allowed to get very large. No supports. I guess my overall question is, what are your favorite 3 noisettes that you would put side by side?

Thanks!

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jerijen(Zone 10)

My personal favorites are the Tea-Noisettes, and those tend to have a climbing habit.
Most of the found Noisettes are of the Blush Noisette "family," and so will look much alike.

A personal favorite among the Blush Noisette "types" is "Roseville Noisette," a sort of dwarf type. It was collected in Roseville, CA, is grown at the Sacramento City Cemetery, and -- alas -- is not in commerce.

Jeri

    Bookmark   April 27, 2011 at 11:21PM
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daisyincrete Z10? 905feet/275 metres

Madam Alfred Carriere doesn't need to grow up anything. If you have the room she can just grow as a free standing shrub.
What a sight that would be!
Daisy

    Bookmark   April 28, 2011 at 1:32AM
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catsrose(VA 6)

There is a very nice little book, "Noisette Roses," put out by the Charleston Horticultural Society. It's a bit pricey for its size, but high gloss color photos and an a very good table describing most of the noisettes available. Its worth having and the money is for a good cause. Also, Vintage Gardens and Roses Unlimited have very good selections of Noisettes.

    Bookmark   April 28, 2011 at 7:44AM
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jacqueline9CA

I agree about the noisette book - I would run and get it if I were you.

I have a suggestion which is not a noisette for that space - it is a tea/china (or a tea, or a china - the experts disagree) called Le Vesuve. Look it up on HMF - it has large pink flowers - medium pink mixed with pale pink. It supports itself, and my 5 yr old one is over 8 ft tall, and 7-8 ft wide and deep. Starts blooming in March and doesn't stop until Dec.

Jackie

    Bookmark   April 28, 2011 at 9:05AM
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ingrid_vc(Z10 SoCal)

I have Mrs. Woods Lavender Pink Noisette and love the colors and shape of the flowers. If you look in the antique gallery section I have a thread further down (don't remember the name) where the first picture is of this rose. Mine is a younger rose, about five feet tall, with an arching, graceful growth habit. I've also heard great things about Natchitoches Noisette. There's a gorgeous specimen in the Sacramento Cemetery Rose Garden.

Ingrid

    Bookmark   April 28, 2011 at 10:38AM
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bellegallica_zone9(9)

A personal favorite among the Blush Noisette "types" is "Roseville Noisette," a sort of dwarf type. It was collected in Roseville, CA, is grown at the Sacramento City Cemetery, and -- alas -- is not in commerce.

I'd love to have "Roseville Noisette." Just curious as to why people think it's not in commerce. Vintage is reasonably close to Sacramento. Do they think it wouldn't sell?

    Bookmark   April 28, 2011 at 6:41PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Vintage has a lot of things that you can have custom rooted but it comes with a hefty price and a 2 year wait. But it is nice to know they're there if you want one. It probably isn't practical for them to have everything available all of the time. They must have thousands of roses listed in their inventory!

    Bookmark   April 28, 2011 at 7:23PM
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bellegallica_zone9(9)

Vintage does not have "Roseville Noisette" listed as a Custom Root. If they did, I'd have placed an order a long time ago. So, I'm assuming they don't have it at all.

    Bookmark   April 28, 2011 at 8:22PM
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greybird(z7 TX)

My favorite noisettes are Natchitoches Noisette and Jeanne d'Arc. They don't have the winter dieback that teas have and bloom their hearts out in the oppressive heat here in north Texas. I have a lot of noisettes and both of these have something special IMHO.

New to my garden is Secret Garden Noisette, blooms like crazy and has future favorite written all over it.

If you want monster giant, Mm. Alfred Carriere is your best bet. Jaune Deprez is another tea-noisette that is a winner, but like most yellow-types, is not as hardy.

    Bookmark   April 28, 2011 at 10:18PM
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northtexasdude(7b)

Thank you everyone! I have ordered these roses:
-Blush Noisette
-Reve d'or
-Mme Aflred Carriere.
these will pretty much be bands. I will need to be patient watching these grow. Hopefully in 5 years they will look quite nice.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2011 at 2:38PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Bellegallica, no.
Vintage does not sell Roseville Noisette.
I think they just didn't think it sufficiently different from other cluster-flowering Noisettes.
I value its small size, but perhaps not all would.

Jeri

    Bookmark   April 29, 2011 at 5:55PM
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bellegallica_zone9(9)

That's a shame. I would value it's small size, too. Seems like others with small gardens would like a noisette that wouldn't become a monster.

Oh well, one day I'll get around to propagating. Maybe I have something that someone would be willing to trade a Roseville Noisette for.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2011 at 8:04PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

That's why we propagate it often for the Cemetery.
:-)

Jeri

    Bookmark   April 29, 2011 at 9:25PM
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