e. veyrat hermanos

bart_2010(8/9 Italy)May 10, 2011

Hi, everyone. This year, E.Veyrat Hermanos is more or less on trial for it's life in my garden. It has never bloomed properly for me;it covers itself in buds, which never manage to open,though it doesn't look like classic balling to me. I ask myself if maybe it's thrips? or overly poor soil? or lack of water? This year, in spite of the drought, I doused it with 80 liters of water. It can't complain about it's buds getting wet-it hasn't really rained for two months here!The plant itself is very vigorous and healthy. Does anyone have experience with this rose,and know what to do to help it's buds to actually open? Thanks,bart

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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

You've done nothing wrong with this rose. It just simply doesn't bloom well in some climates. It does exactly the same for me and for some other folks.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2011 at 9:58AM
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Yup, that's our girl. Brown balls of mush in the spring, but usually quite a luscious show for the second flush after all the rains are history. Here it only rains in the winter, so once it stops it stops for good this rose gets a chance, and when she does she is still a heartstopper. Still, she likes it HOT, and the climate here (50 miles north of SF and 30 miles from the Pacific) is a bit on the moderate side for her. I think she'd like it better hotter.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2011 at 10:59AM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

See, I've never gotten really anything from this rose,even though this climate is hot and dry! Which is why I was wondering about the soil, etc.Would you say go ahead and shovel-prune it? Thanks, bart

    Bookmark   May 10, 2011 at 1:18PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

I had E. Veyrat Hermanos and it never balled and bloomed very well. I garden on decomposed granite which has been enriched and it may be that it likes a lighter soil AND heat. At any rate, and please don't shoot me, it wasn't a great favorite of mine and was much too large for its spot, so I no longer have it. It faced more or less east and only had sun for half a day and that didn't seem to bother it. There are too many other beautiful climbers to hang onto one that doesn't make you happy.


    Bookmark   May 10, 2011 at 8:50PM
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Bart, mine started out having an excellent spring which was early and quite warm. It was covered in buds, and the buds started opening into magnificent flowers. Then we had a rain, and that was the end of that. All those buds just froze in time. We got hit with thrips at about the same time. This rose is really too big for my garden and I don't think chopping it to keep it smaller is the way to go, so I'm at the same point as you. This weekend may be when I cut it down. I do believe that it needs HEAT and doesn't mind humidity which we have plenty of here in the summer. Perhaps the combination of wet and cool is bad for it. It balled last spring, too. The spring before it got thrips. I don't remember how it did last summer. I just know I had never seen blooms on it like I did this spring. Mine is 2-1/2 years old. How old is yours? Could maturity have anything to do with it? But probably that doesn't matter. It's a thrips magnet.


Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

    Bookmark   May 10, 2011 at 10:28PM
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I have no experience with this rose, but I had a similar problem with one of my "The Fairy" rose. I had purchased two and liked them so much that I bought a third. The third one which was purchased from a different vendor would develop flower buds which would never open. I don't think I ever saw a single flower from this rose. Someone told me there is a bad clone of this rose. I don't know if it's some kind of virus or mutation or what. I shovel pruned it.

    Bookmark   May 10, 2011 at 10:28PM
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The old blooms look like dirty toilet paper. I planted this GIANT of a rose on a fence line to cover the neighbors ugly shed. In three years it achieved the size of the shed 10X15. The blooms are pretty only in bud and early bloom. After that.....YUK!

    Bookmark   May 12, 2011 at 10:56AM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Bart if you have had the rose for several (4-5) unsuccessful seasons, it may never be a good rose in your climate. If you have given it a reasonable amount of time for success and it has not come through for you, don't feel bad about shoveling it and trying something new.

Not all roses work in every climate, even grand OGRs.

    Bookmark   May 13, 2011 at 2:45PM
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