Safrano & Francesca

Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)June 19, 2014

On the way home from a camping trip to Yosemite, I took a detour made longer by following the gps, to visit Rosemary's Roses. She had a bunch of roses I would love to have brought home but I only had room for two. And I picked two that are probably not the best picks but I loved the bloom so home they came. Both are big 5g plants that I want to plant in my "Orange Circle" that has citrus trees and a few other yellow-peachy-orangy roses.

Safrano: several members have suggested this one to me but Jeri says she has not had good luck with this one. Jeri and I have rather similar conditions but I think our hillsides face different directions, ours is west facing. I am hoping to place Safrano in the best spot for her to have the best chances. For those who have had good results, any suggestions on heat, sun etc. And for those that had it grow backwards, what do you think was the issue?

Francesca: I am going to put her where she can swallow a good chunk of space. Any tips for her? I hear she likes to be wider than tall, but just how wide of space in a fairly shady area should I plan on her swallowing? I would like to plant a Bishop Darlington beside her with a couple other shade tolerant h musks as a lower wide spaced hedge in the problem zone area. I need to take a good set of photos of the zone but have it rather cluttered with current projects right now.


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My bush of Safrano is mature - was planted we think in the 1970s. It is growing in San Rafael, about 5 blocks from SF Bay, in partial shade. We get a little marine influence, but not as if we were near the ocean.

No problems, no spray, and it blooms 12 months of the year - truly! One of my most favorite roses - pic attached of it in very early Spring (Feb). It is growing intertwined with a red china rose, next to the flowering crab apple tree.


    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 3:08PM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Thank you Jackie!

I bet you get more rain and we have more marine layer.

I was thinking of putting it near my Mutabilis, near as in several feet away. I was thinking it would be a pretty combo. But I have a space further up the hill that is hotter, the lower spot is probably "wetter" being more at the end of the hillside than the upper spot. One I want to put Safrano and the other I think Julia Child. I want a real bush of her and not just the tree version.

Thank you for the help

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 12:38AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

The spot I want to fill with Francesca is pretty much where the 2 lounge chairs and the giant stag horn fern is right now. I plan on moving those two chairs forward because they are just too close to the noise next door and I have a lot of space down there under that oak tree anyway. This is the end of today, it does get morning sun.

    Bookmark   June 21, 2014 at 12:04AM
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