Do Bettas mix well with other fish?

Kosplath(z7 TX)May 7, 2005

I recently rescued two bettas from a pet store (male and female) both are separated. I was wondering if they got along with other small fish, if so which ones? I would hate to rescue another and have no place for them to live if they didn't get along.

Also, would a tank light irritate them?

I've noticed a big change in the female. It's almost as if she doesn't know what to do with all that space! Vonnegut, the male is such a beauty though!

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I got my betta from a plastic cup at walmart. He is now the king of his own 10 gallon aquarium.

He does not have a light. My friend has killed 5 bettas in her tank and the only difference I see between our set-ups is that I couldn't afford a light when I got mine. Other people may disagree with this. I am no expert.

Other fish don't generally mix well with bettas and female and male bettas should not be in the same tank.

A betta will attack any fish it sees as a threat. Any fish that is the same color or even close to the same shape FORGET IT! Someone is gonna die. The guy at the pet store told me that if it's small, has no big tail or fins, and is not brightly colored, it should do okay with a betta. I choose not to risk it.

My betta lives alone and he is happy (or at least he isn't complaining). It took him some time to adjust to the space, but he now zips all over the place.

    Bookmark   May 7, 2005 at 2:22PM
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Kosplath(z7 TX)

Thanks for such a prompt response!

I think I will get them both a heater. I figured the light at first because of the heat it sets off, but I don't know if they would like something bright shining in their face all day.

I think I will keep him alone, but I'm reading now that female bettas get along. If so, that's great! I'd get to rescue a couple more.

Vonnegut is not zipping around, as of yet. I hope that changes, but he likes to flash his fins at me. I hope that's a good thing!

    Bookmark   May 7, 2005 at 2:33PM
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If you are getting a heater, get a seperate thermometer too. Heaters, if unwatched, have a bad habit of cooking fish.

    Bookmark   May 7, 2005 at 2:54PM
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isis_nebthet(8b/11suns SoCA)

It depends on the females some don't get along..most will though.

Males can get along in a community tank (the only betta however)again it depends. An agressive male won't work but a more laid back one will. My last betta was in the community tank with gouramis which is supposed to be a no no but he never attacked them or any of the other fish. My new one has a 10 gallon tank with ghost shrimp because I needed something to go in the tank to keep it from getting used for rodent housing.


    Bookmark   May 8, 2005 at 8:40AM
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Definitely depends on the individual betta and size of tank. If there's enough space for inidividual territory to be set up and lots of floating plants to hide in, I've been able to keep bettas in a community tank (70 gallons) with gouramis angels, rams, platys, various tetras and bottom dwellers. Recently had to remove the bettas because the killies were getting out of hand! But the two male bettas left each other alone.

    Bookmark   May 9, 2005 at 10:39AM
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they seem to pick on everything. i would mix them with alot of feeder gold fish and add them to the tank with a very large clown knife. should mix very well.

    Bookmark   May 9, 2005 at 4:58PM
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oceanbubbles(Newport Bch CA)

Make sure if you get a heater for your tank you watch it very closely. A temperature increase too quick will surely cook your little guy. If you want to put him in with other fish.. make sure there are NO other male bettas Duh! ALso... make sure you are putting him in with fish that arent "fin-nippers". The betta's beautiful fins make them prime target for fin-nipping from other fish. I have my betta in a 2.5 gallon alone. He loves it cuz its his own space.. I have a 60 gallon in the living room.. I thought about putting him in there... but I think Id feel bad because hes used to having his own little kingdom. But a betta in there would be a beautiful addition! Good luck!

    Bookmark   May 10, 2005 at 3:17PM
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Bettas usually do well with quiet tank mates who dont fin nip and a tank that doesnt have alot of turbulance in it. Sometimes the males will harass or kill a female if he is in breeding mode and she is not. Bettas live alone in the wild except for the small amount time they come together to fertilize the eggs so they are ok alone or with a few quiet tankmates.
As for light they really are ok in an average lit room. A light can overheat a small tank or container if its too big and we keep a tank lit more brightly then nature for our viewing benefit, so a nice bright area of the room is fine, just not in front of a window.
Good luck with your finny friends!

    Bookmark   May 10, 2005 at 5:01PM
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Kosplath(z7 TX)

Oceanbubbles: I purchased a junior heater for tanks sizes 2-5 gallons. It doesn't have a setting though, so I find myself checking it frequently. Don't want to burn the poor guy!

I think I will keep my male betta in his 2.5 gallon, he seems to enjoy his privacy and as he grows I'll upgrade to a 5 gallon.

The female however, is in the 10 gallon tank, all by her lonesome. I am worried the longer she stays in there alone, the more difficult it will be for her to adjust living with other fish. I was thinking one or two more female bettas (though two might be pushing it) along with some school fish, like the cory cats.

Anyone have suggestions on other small school fish that are harmonous with the bettas?

    Bookmark   May 10, 2005 at 10:25PM
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Hi there,

Your female betta will get along just fine with many other small fish. Neon tetras, any of the livebearers...guppies, platies, and swordtails. Look for fish that stay small and take the same water conditions. Corys are a good idea as well....remember though that they are socialable little fishes so you should keep 3 or more of the same kind together.

It sounds like you may have bought a preset heater. Its always good to keep an eye on this type of heater.

Happy fish keeping!

    Bookmark   May 11, 2005 at 11:40AM
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Kosplath(z7 TX)

I've seen the neon tetras and considered them as well. I'll have to check the others out in person next time I visit the fish store.

Thanks for the response :]

    Bookmark   May 11, 2005 at 12:41PM
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oceanbubbles(Newport Bch CA)

In my 2.5 gallon, there is no heater. But I do have a light that is inside the top of the tank (its the size of one of those little bulbs you usually have on the back of a nightlight). My betta is about a year old, these conditions seem fine for him. When I clean the tank, I refill with water a little warmer than room temp. I think the light keeps it on the warmer side too. Im too paranoid to get a heater. But my methods seem to be working great.

Kosplath- Let me know how the tetras work and how many you get. Mabey Ill add some in with Kolohe.

    Bookmark   May 12, 2005 at 3:40PM
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Glow_AZ(8 AZ)

Does anyone know...can snails be put in with the Betta's?

    Bookmark   May 17, 2005 at 8:59PM
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james_ny(z7 NY)

Yes but the snails will multiply rapidly.

    Bookmark   May 18, 2005 at 8:06PM
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lama(z7a NM)

I put my male betta in a 10 gal community tank, only to have him totally beat up on all the other fish. I came in once to find a neon sticking out of his mouth! At a later date I had a different betta, I actually had him in a large bottle inside the tank to keep him separated from my large goldfish. One morning I came in to find that the bottle had fallen over, the betta had got out, and the goldfish killed him. I haven't had any luck with my male bettas and other fishes, but maybe I just happened to have got a couple of the extra fiesty bettas!

    Bookmark   June 2, 2005 at 7:01PM
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eileenaz(9, Sunset 12)

Goldfish killed a betta? That's a new one. BTW- they should never be housed together because goldfish are coldwater fish and bettas are tropicals, but then at my favorite Vietnamese restaurant there's an arowana and some big fat goldfish living harmoniously in a tank there- go figure.
My first betta spawn produced the meanest little SOBs I ever saw- one killed an adult gold gourami outright, and one of the females bit my finger and hung on until she was halfway out of the water. Later on I had a spawn of yellows live to adulthood in the same tank and nobody bothered anybody.
Usually, bettas won't bother anybody that doesn't look like a betta (male guppies get mistaken sometimes) and if the tankmates are mello, nobody bothers bettas. Just make sure they're getting their share of food- that long drapey finnage puts them at a speed disadvantage sometimes.

    Bookmark   June 12, 2005 at 6:44PM
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woeisme(z7b NC)

Ancient Chineese Proverb- If fish fit into another fishes mouth. It usually will end up there.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2005 at 2:41PM
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My male betta is getting along with tetras, gold barbs, and a dalmation molly. He was a bit of a bully when I introduced him to his first tankmates, 4 gold barbs, but within a few hours he seemed to forget that they were there.
I've added different fish since, and not once have I seen any aggression, even with my dalmation molly, who is constantly zig zagging into the beta's personal space.
I recently added another tetra fish into the tank, and while he was adjusting to the tank in his bag, the betta would not leave him alone. He tried to attack the fish through the bag several times, and I thought for sure that the tiny tetra would have to go back to the store, but once the tetra was set free in the tank, the betta completely ignored it.
I would love to see how he does with gouramis.

    Bookmark   January 4, 2007 at 11:02PM
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the male betta i had was in a tank with about 20 gouramis and they got along. the blue paradise gourami and my betta were always

    Bookmark   January 7, 2007 at 4:28PM
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I have female in large tanks with on gourami.... LUV what type of gouramis where 20 get along? wow. I also have found (females only never tried with males as all are resuces and only one male now) that gourmais and bettas can do ok if enough space.

re: light - all things need light (vitamins, hormones, night day circadian cycles so on) so I assume you mean bright light in its face, not completely dark? If in place where indirect light is enough then would be ok, but plants maybe not. I use Annubius for bettas (most) as they can take simple conditions and very low light. Bettas love plants, sit in them, forage for things and algae, and sleep on them (butterflys of Asia) and or under them at night.

If you have appropriate light for size of tank (can be low) and live plants which they love and really appreciate as that is what their natural habitat (many diff wild types so for the most part) provide them. It will shelter them as well.

I have my one male in large 2 gallon (tried large he didn't do well) happy in 2 gallon round tall vase, plants and lid and low light from small eclipse tank not in use. Room hot so doens't need a heater (would not put heater in small sized tanks) and small attached filter (those small cartrige ones) was a resuce and doing very well after trying time with flexibar.

As far as roomates depends on personality and size. NO more room in that small of size tank... I tried a guppy with female (a real jumper so in huge round globe 1/2 filled with all as all tanks, filtered light (low) and low light plants. saw splasing and betta was chasing large female (males will get slaughters often due to tails) around tank she would try to jump to avoid and betta was jumping out after her. Out went guppy betta alone.

My best match was in 20 long and huge round 30 or more gallon globe, wood and plants low light. one betta (female) each with one gourami... both agressive and perfect match...One blue however was too agressive even for female betta.

so, have to try but larger well planted tank, with hiding places so on, will help a lot. Also remember esp with males and longer tales, that water speed difference have to be considered. some fish like faster moving water, they will get exhausted and possible tear down fins and wear them out.

    Bookmark   January 8, 2007 at 2:50AM
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i have loads of snails i need to keep under control would a betta and a blue gorami be ok in my tank with tetra, platty's, guppys and clown plec's?

    Bookmark   July 31, 2008 at 1:35PM
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I haven't kept an aquarium for a couple years, but I have successfully kept betas and tetras (neon tetras and head-and-tailight fish) and guppies all together in one tank. I never had a problem with that mix. Give the beta a little hiding place in the corner and the other schooling fish will leave him be.

    Bookmark   August 2, 2008 at 11:37PM
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I've been keeping fish for many years, and my male betta does wonderfully well in my community tank. "Shamu" is in a 20 gallon tank with guppies, swordtails, tetras, a pleco, a catfish, and a coolie loach. The tank is equipped with a light, a heater and a bubblestone. I highly reccomend keeping bettas in larger tanks. Shamu is so much happier than any other betta I've ever seen, and his color is spectacular!

    Bookmark   August 12, 2008 at 5:17PM
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I have 1 betta, and 9 fantails in a seperate 2 foot tank. What would happen if i put it in with them? First of all i dont use a heater and The Betta is in a 2 gallon ( about 5.5 liter) bowl. if i put it in with my tank with 9 fantails which are well behaved will it go bad? 3 are around medium sized and the other 6 are small.plants and and small peices are there to furnish their home. i didnt know betta needed to be warmed so ill fix that i just wanna know what would be an informal response please. i would appreciate any response. Mabe it will be a reasonable reference to Kosplath's question. any answer would be appreciated. thanks :) ps. im aware that large fins,tails and nippy fish can be a prob, mine are 99% non nippi..Thats why i wanna know for sure. ty oscar wants to know :) ty from oscar and myself

    Bookmark   June 13, 2009 at 12:38PM
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i have my betta in a 20high with several other fish.

catfish, ottos, loaches, 1 guppy, mollies, and a golden wonder killifish.

when the betta feels upset everyone backs off. but usually the female guppy runs the

you can always give it a try and if it doesnt work then its ok to take it back out.

breading bettas might be worth a try too????
lots luck.

oh yeah in my other tank i have a dwarf puffer and a spotted leopard fish.....the big one is about 5 times the size of my puffer.......but puffer are puffers no matter the


    Bookmark   June 16, 2009 at 4:25PM
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i am wondering what specific types of fish do well with bettas also i have a female and am wondering if it's ok to put her in with another male i have gotten mixed answeres from everyone is it ok to mix them

    Bookmark   July 2, 2009 at 10:41PM
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I save 33 Betta fish from Walmart! They wouldn't give me any discount for buying them all - even though these poor fish were barely surviving in cups stacked on top of each other and only half filled with water.

I need to know where to go to try to prevent this from ever happening again! SHAME ON WALMART!!!

    Bookmark   December 9, 2010 at 11:20AM
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I have a male beta in a 45 gallon tank. Along with 8 neon tetras, 3 blood guppies, and 2 angel fish. The beta does seem to be bullying the other fish but he hasn't killed any yet. Then again ive only had him for one night now. Should i be worried? The guy at the pet store said that it should be fine as long as the beta has plenty of room. Is this right or should i be running back home to save my other fish?

    Bookmark   December 28, 2010 at 6:32PM
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I have a male betta. What type of fish would be good to put in there with him without them fighting or killing each other?

    Bookmark   December 29, 2010 at 2:15AM
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im still nervous to put BF with another fish! He has been alive for a yr now, and has always been by himself. My 2 yr old daughter adores him, we just lost her guinea pig :(, and i dont want him to die!

Should i just let him be, or get another fish to accompany him?

Oh, and as for wal mart. I almost got kicked out last week for yelling at an employee because of the condition of their, not only betas, but all of their fish!

    Bookmark   April 18, 2011 at 9:39PM
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My betta killed a frog. And yeah its a bit late but to the one who don't believe goldfish kill...I had a serial killer goldfish. He killed and ate over 30 tankmates and a few tropicals I was sick of until I fed him to the cat lol wanna see a betta flip? Put silver paint on the outside of your tank. It acts like a mirror and he will try and fight himself for weeks ohahaha!

    Bookmark   April 22, 2011 at 5:33PM
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Bettas are fish that are best left by themselves. They do have you - his/her owner - to interact with.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2011 at 2:11AM
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I have a Male Betta Fish. I was wondering if I could put some Angelfish and a Bottom Feeder. And what kind of other fish I could put with him.

    Bookmark   May 8, 2011 at 2:47AM
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Hi, after reading this blog I decided to try a bottom feeder to help with tank cleanup. I have a single male betta that has done well in his 2 gallon tank but there is always left over food on the bottom, so I thought a little catfish might help with the leftovers. So I introduce a albino Cory catfish. It havs been 24 hours, the two seem to get along fine, occasionally the bump into each other and the little catfish swims madly for a few seconds or so. But the betta only noses him once and a while. He is doing a fine job of keeping the gravel all clean.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2011 at 11:52AM
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I have a male betta in a glass bowl and he is always at the top of it. It's like he cant breath. Should I move him to a tank that has an air pump? Sorry for sounding stupid but don't know a thing about this kind of fish. He is really a sweet fish and I don't want him to die. Please help me what do I do?

    Bookmark   June 9, 2011 at 1:02AM
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What type of plants do I put in with mixed fish in an outdoor 100 gal pond? Beta,gourami and bottom feeder. I have airation, Should plants be potted before being put in pond? Can I put more than one male betta in pond?What about the type of food. Thank you for your info.

    Bookmark   June 26, 2011 at 10:08AM
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no! whatever you do, don't put the fish together in the same tank. beta's are NOT supposed to be with other fish, whatsoever.

    Bookmark   August 4, 2011 at 6:34PM
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I have a unique tank I guess. It's 30 gallons and in it I have afri grey frogs, 2 Betta fish, gold fish, and various tropical fish. Oh I also have a small shark. I forget the type. This tank has been this way over a year and I have no problems. At first I did monitor carefully but all is well. Not sure if this is unique but everyone is in harmony. I do have a video available if anyone cares to see.
Take care everyone and good luck

    Bookmark   August 25, 2011 at 6:09PM
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Do not bother to try to mix Male Beta in the community tank...These loners like to be KINGS ...Their territorial behavior is known for...
I have lost many females betas by trying to match them......The male beta kills mercilessly when they feel their territory is invaded even by a harmless female beta!!!
Maybe, I am not good at being match maker for fish....
!!!! Hi hiihii ih

    Bookmark   September 10, 2011 at 4:09PM
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I just sat up a 75 gal community tank (54 fish total) I use

(canister filter, plastic plants and plenty of hiding

places). I bought different kinds of tetras,

zebra snails, three danios and one small red male betta.

The betta was very calm and stayed close to the heater. I

left thinking they were going to be fine. When I got home

the betta was dead on the bottom and the rosey barbs were

tearing the fins off. The betta only lasted 1 day. I also

had two gouramis, I raised them from babies that my

sister gave me. They are doing great in the community tank.

Maybe I will buy another betta for my 10 gal tank.

    Bookmark   October 24, 2011 at 10:36PM
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Bettas mix great with a small school of Neon Tetras, about 8-10 tetras. The tetras feel safe and not scared of the Betta. If you use less tetras, they can become aggressive if they feel threatned by the betta and might nip the bettas fins.

My male betta was in a 10 gallon tank alone, and loving it, then I floated a bag of tetras on the surface. He made some aggressive movements, but the tetras were safe in the bag. I left it there 1/2 hour, then betta lost intrest. Now both are in the tank, they even swim near each other with no aggression from either side. I plan to add 2-3 albino cories also. But put Lots of silk plants and few decorations in tank so everybody has somewhere safe to hide if they want to.

Prepare the water as needed for the betta, with water conditioner and one teaspoon (Not Tablespoon) aquarium salt per gallon. The tetras can handle this amount. Throughly dissolve the salt in some water before adding it so it dosen't burn the fish.

    Bookmark   December 23, 2011 at 1:05AM
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I have a Betta with about 20 or so other fish including guppies, danios, glofish, palties, and a shark. They get along just fine. My betta has been in the tank for about 3-4 months and has been doing OK. The only time that my betta is agressive to the other fish is when it is feeding time and the other fish steal his pellets, otherwise he doesn't mind them to much.

    Bookmark   April 27, 2012 at 12:31AM
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I have one male betta fish(named happy). I thought he seemed lonely (childish i know) But i bought him 3 friends; 2 neon tetras and 1 small gold fish. He is very happy with them and they all seem to get along fine. Although if you do do this you should have a filter because otherwise you would have to clean the water a lot.

Happy fish owning :)

    Bookmark   August 26, 2012 at 5:45PM
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sbrow156(Cairns QLD Australia)

Male Bettas do not go well with any other fish fullstop. It does depend on the fish though...There are cases where a male betta with no fins goes ok in a female betta tank as the females see it as one of their own and as it is the same size as the female it doesnt attack them (plus is is outnumbered.) I have had bettas for 4 years. Lights for the tank are fine, no lights are also fine. Some people say to get a heater for winter but really if you keep the tank inside they are fine. If you put small fish in a tank with a male betta it will attack/ eat them. Similar size fish will either attack your betta or get attacked by the betta (gold fish same size get attacked as they are placid fish whereas any cichlids will attack the betta) bettas can survive in small tanks (as they originally lived in shallow puddles in the wild) though as with any living thing the more space you give it the happier it will be. Over the time ive had them ive had them in small containers and vases to larger tanks on their own so anything you feel like setting up should be fine for them. Dont feed them too much either. They are prone to getting smomach infections caused from eating too much. I have lost a few to that. Also i had to medicate one for fin rot once. All its fins rotted off and never grew back. Shame as he was one of my favorites. (Bright purple with white fins.) but he did live for another year before he died. Anyway the point of this thread was to say whether they go with other fish. The answer is no male should be with another fish. A female can go with other fish and even lots of other females but never a male with full fins. Even in a tank of 100 neons a male fighter will go on a killing spree.

    Bookmark   September 4, 2012 at 12:09AM
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Male bettas can definitely make great community fish. I always have one in each of my peaceful community tanks. I am watching my betta right now in my 55 Gallon. He is happily swimming around in his big tank. He is in there with angelfish, balloon mollies,guppies,neon tetras, polkadot loaches and a few small oranda goldfish.(the orandas are only in there temporaily while I get their pond finished.) My betta has yet to go on a killing spree, or even nip another fish. (He doesn't even notice the neons.) He flares at the balloon mollies once in a while when they go into his area, but thats about it. None of the other fish bother him either. I try to pick bettas that are more mellow and not overly aggressive. Not every betta will work well with other fish though. I have one betta that has to be in his own tank because he would just flare and chase the other fish and never relax. He has never attacked any of them, but I didn't want him stressed out all the time. I test the fish before I buy them by putting my finger on the cup and seeing if they are more likly to flare or be curious and I see how aggressivly they flare at other betta fish in the cups next to them. That's not a fool proof way to test them but it will weed out some of the overly aggressive ones. You have to find a betta fish with the right personality for a community tank, and there are a lot of them out there. A few pet stores that I have been to also keep single male betta fish in the tanks with their other fish without any problems. So it definitlely can be done and it isn't even that difficult. I think that people who say it is impossible haven't actually given it a fair try. Or tried it once with a super aggressive betta. I have had only one betta that didn't work with either of my community tanks. I have never had a betta kill any of my other fish either. I think it would be easier to add a betta to an exsisting community tank them to add fish to a betta's tank where he has already established it as his territory.

    Bookmark   September 18, 2012 at 2:15PM
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suzieque(z5 MA)

Totally agree with Melissa. I have always had one male betta in a community tank with guppies, neons, platies, catfish, etc. I have never found a male betta to be agressive - ever - with a possible exception of when I've had other fish with flowy fins (veiltails, etc.). But even then, the bettas may look interested and flare a bit, but when the other fish don't react, the bettas lose interest.

I am right now looking at my tank with all of the above fish, including a magnificent red and ice blue half moon betta male and 2 angels. They are all happily feeding aloneside each other.

Pish-posh to those who say that it isn't possible.

    Bookmark   September 20, 2012 at 3:31PM
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Bettas are best kept as solitary fish and they are quite content living life by themselves. After all, they do have you to interact with. That is all the companionship they ever need.

    Bookmark   October 20, 2012 at 1:49AM
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As far mixing concerned if you collect many fishes in a tank then obviously they will take some time to mix and as far betta concerned so its best to keep betta in a seperate tank as betta is a solitary fish because they can kill anything alive in the tank.

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    Bookmark   October 20, 2012 at 4:01AM
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SERIOUSLY, of all fishes I've noticed bettas have biggest personality ....that means different individuality, .....I used to keep two pairs of bettas - RED & BLUE in two different 1ft tank ......I never had plans to keep them together in a single tank ......but all plans changed when I saw my friend have put two male bettas together in a large 3.5 ft long tank ......I said what the heck, I already have a even larger tank - 4 ft long and 2.5 ft high as soon as I came to my home I put both pairs in that tank

But let me tell you, its a cosmopolitan tank with goldfish of 6 different types, paired 2 different angelfish, paired loach, paired .......a few snails

At first they certainly had problems .....and were attacking any approaching fish showing the patch of skin under their gill .....within a few days it was no problem for any of the fishes .......although both betta pairs lives at two opposite poles of my tank

I know its a bad thing but i have a habit of feeding bettas by my own hand ......I take worms and dip my palm into water and bettas come to eat from there .....they still do i believe they're happy


    Bookmark   August 26, 2014 at 3:07PM
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eileenaz(9, Sunset 12)

Goldfish are NOT tropicals like the rest of your fish, they should not be in the tank with tropicals. Period. It's bad for everybody in there.

    Bookmark   September 3, 2014 at 5:21PM
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Personal experience - I have a 10 gal (20 gal split down the bottom in middle of night - will have to replace it - going with bigger tank) so for now I have a 10 gallon with a 70 gallon canister filter. Tank divided - each side has 1 male betta, 5 neon danios and a Siamese algae eater. Everyone is happy. I tried adding guppies (old tank) but the betta attacked him and the platy was hated from the moment he entered the tank and Harry killed him within 24 hours. Moral of story, get fish that do not have pretty tails and are fast. (the algae eaters stay at bottom, bettas at top but I do not think they will attack them anyway). I would love to put both bettas in a 70 gal tank but I am afraid they would kill each other. advice on this would be appreciated. BTW tank has plenty of hiding spots and one betta sleeps next to the adjustable heater (it is on his side) they ignore those betta leaf beds I bought

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 11:45PM
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Angela Obenchain

Hi everybody,

I have a male betta and am thinking about adding a couple fish to the tank (5gallon). I read recently that tiger barb fish do well with betta fish. Does anyone know if this is true? By betta seems laid back and quiet. Thanks any suggestions on others types of fish that might work are welcome. :)

    Bookmark   February 28, 2015 at 5:50AM
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People SAY that Bettas don't mix well with other fish... but in my experience, they actually don't seem to mind company. One fish I know doesn't work will is Guppies because they actually chew on Betta's fins. They are fast enough the Betta can't keep up with them or out of their way... but mine was in with about ten guppies. Less might work ok. I've also kept ghost shrimp with mine and they all get along fine. I'd say try a tiger barb, or get maybe two or three neon tetras. But don't get too many... one Betta and four Neons would be pushing it a bit... they would probably be fine, but it's a little much for 5 gallons. Don't just get just one Neon though.. they wouldn't be happy since they are schooling fish. Best wishes in your fish endeavors!

    Bookmark   March 18, 2015 at 8:15AM
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Not sure why photos are so big on page and not a link but need to stop doing this and just posting... (ie did years of fish rescue and wish people would read real books on the subject rather then ask "yahoo" (you know what I mean). I will post links in another post too long.

Some of my photos when I had to sell my tanks, and rock sculptures (real rocks with "hang on back" type of structure - I have background in arts/arts chemistry and sculpture esp, along with biochemistry, and other sciences.)

Here is link to source for those HUGE globes (found on canal street, NYC plastics store, went out of business, looked online for years, then saw a light lamp and realize what they are... )

All had filters, heaters hidden behind plant piles - water in one looks cloudy but was crystal clear - biobugs from environmental source (for huge ponds so on but biologist there sent me a sample)...

The globe with Swords (sitting on chinese stand) these need anything with a small hole to sit on them) balance water when filling then stable. (put in place) There was ONE blue betta (only as I was giving them away) after I had four young blue betta sisters - from local breeder - - (heard my oops they often can live together) in that HUGE 75 and as they grew up


(they are shipped in horrific conditions, many dead on arrival, with water treated with meds (already stressed) then put in cold bowls most die (I would be at petstore cleaning up their bowls and would be there when they arrive - as well fish are sorted out on tables overseas before being shipped) Pet trade has changed from 60's when most all grown locally in greenhouses - I raised fish and would take them in to stores myself.


Here is some research from legit sources such as (books) zoology, and studies of fish, as well in their environment. (55 years background, pre vet/oceanography) and more, Health care (meaning I can study rx for fish (trickle down from people rx)...and much betta/fish rescue.
Flickr photos of Bettas other (sculpted rock backgrounds)

Great book - Bettas, with a special Chapter: Tanks for Bettas by Barron's

Each species has very particular requirements, ph, temp, space and I am always stunned at how "advice" is given in online forums with most (not all) having no serious research or knowledge base (many great fish forums) - it's as if the blind are leading the blind and having rescued hundreds of betta's in NYC (about to be dumped down petstores toilet (illegal and cruel) I can attest to the end results.

Please go to any libriary or amazon and get some books on the subject - or links below. Seasoned breeders, merchants in the business.

As well, breeders keep young adult bettas in single bowls due to sheer volume and knowing most will be sold (Betta talk) but the rooms are heated, water changed many times a day and often with water conditioners in them... temporary housing. In native environments they are found in lakes, rivers, and always in heavily planted environments, even in the rice "paddies" of Japan (where I lived for 6 months) which are HUGE systems, with certain algae, mosses and other water plant forms (snails so on) growing in them, which is a great place for bettas. (until harvest time!) They entered into these systems from nearby rivers...

Fish, including Bettas when stressed (not what YOU think is stressful but what is stressful to them)... produce/release stress hormones. Putting two males in a tank - or in the ones with dividers which create huge fighting responses (stress meaning the are constantly releasing adrenal/cortisol interior and the other exterior) (which say to other fish - stay away from me)...and eventually this as the toxins they are, poison them interior, weakening their immune system, and the water as well.

As eileenaz states - goldfish (cold water fish) and tropicals (bettas air and water in native environment at leat 82 - although they are adaptable to 78 - air as well)... Goldfish as well need HUGE environments and although many falsely think a smaller enclosure creates smaller fish - in actuality their inner organs are stunted and misshapen causing pain and ill health for them.

They are as well "dirty" fish meaning copious waste, and like to "mouth" the gravel (which is part of their manner of eating) stirring up debris.

Bettas in the wild do not live in "tiny mudpuddles" (although there is ONE species that during dry spells lives in wet leaves and semi hibernate , some survive when the monsoon rains come, many do not - (many hundreds of types including some who "school").

In the wild the short tail is evident, the longer tail "gene" is bred for commercial purposes otherwise in the wild these fish being attacked and unable to escape another's territory fast would not make it.

Guppies (their bodies are often betta size now) with their longer tails (if fancy) are often viewed by Betta's as another betta - as well guppies have slightly different water requirements.

I had one female betta that was so agressive even in a 75 gallon, that she would attack cory catfish.

The best community fish are those that are in their native environment. I have had huge bowls (see photos, actually lamps up to 50 gallon) with Anubias on wood in the center (small heater, filter hidden behind, spot led from ceiling) with a school of black neon tetras (not true tetras) and they got along fine - wish I had taken a photo. The round shape meant endless "room to roam" and fish could go in and out of planted area.

Angela - Tiger Barbs (not a good choice at all - note on this site how many keep a few (2-3) stressed need bigger school and space more then five gallon. Why not just have lots of Anubias (same environment) which needs no soil, tied to wood, (conditions water for betta, make sure proper type) and one betta.

As you can read here at this great site - many health issues, and not good choice with betta - even if provided places for "them to hide" (why live a life hiding when in proper environment they would be out schooling enjoying themselves, or when stressed nip at betta - All fish need space (read Desmond Morris (zoologist, artist and much more) It was he and his book on aberrant animal behavior at zoos (horrific then and some now still along with road side attractions, bears, tigers in small dirty cramped cages) Just as animals display aberrant behavior so do fish when in the wrong environment NOT seen in the wild.

Schooling fish - one or two, three NEVER. These fish school for a reason (instincts) and in the wild these schools measure in the hundreds and thousands, catfish as well. They are ONE individual and should be thought of as one, or else they do suffer from stress. As well just because they are small does not mean they do well in smaller environments -

I had 6 - 7 black neons in a 25 gallon. (globe with betta). The old myth one inch of fish for each gallon caused a lot of suffering for decades. I rescued a ten inch pacu once from local PxtLxxd, in NYC - he was in a ten gallon tank... found someone who took him for outdoor heated pond - yeah for him, but I first had to heal his scalded body from fungus as the staff would run a hose directly from the faucets into tanks burning the fish often!!!

I have thousands of links - posting a few. (they do not come up in searches now due to placement money google so on).

    Bookmark   March 19, 2015 at 9:10AM
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(from one of my emails sent to "can you help me with my betta) please spread this information as I can no longer spend the hours needed to retrieve it all again and again. And will be deleting my old Garden Web account (and this one). (from which long ago I posted my email).

I am adding photos of great set ups. (mine mostly and others, as well as rescued fish) Too long in cold (deli with door open while snowing in NYC, in those horrific cube (glass form with small opening at top, inches of dirty gravel - no need if not heavily planted (plants take up and convert left over food, poo, and urine in water) otherwise breeding ground for gram "negative" bacterial and water highly acid, (harms their gills as in all fish - hurts and fish do feel pain, esp delicate tissues just can not shout OUCH,) and tail, fin tissue one cell layer thin so bacteria easily enter in. Despite my best care they did not make it - most did not... Many did, and all went with tanks, plants, rocks so on, to good homes (and no I didn't have the income to do this but that's me)... Had to stop.

I am others worked on getting those tiny small bowls, cubes banned and I hear now Petland is not going to sale them anymore??? I got the district manager to bring in Anubias (monster mother plants normally found for 50 bucks for peanuts, as well as java ferns, ferns on wood now... and see they are in most stores now. Perfect for bettas.

She mentions smaller sizes only because she knows many will do it anyway... larger is better as well easier to control water parameters

BETTA TALK (if you ever have the time to scroll through the betta's she breeds - beautiful! (and expensive)

Betta History

Betta Care (many links within links)

Water (I would not use salt, only when treating, and no aquarisol (meds) only for people who don't keep the water chemistry balanced.

Great info and photos of bettas and food care.

I used to breed little worms and on occasion get brine shrimps (east 38 - good if you have more the ONE fish as they die off rapidly - a few days ok)

Variety of live or frozen....
Unless you grow you own food (will send links much later) and easy to do once all is set up (for all fish big difference - they just go nuts with real food (like us)... live worms hard to find disease free - reason I use HIkari (sterilized 3 times) frozen (about 3 to 4 types rotated).

Mosquito larva (had some disappeared in freezer!)
Blood worms
Mix so on

Myself - I feel a softer excellent quality flake - one or two/three only - is superior to hard compressed pellot),

I rotate each day with diff frozen, in early am, and a few flakes (with greens in them best for "purging") at late afternoon.

That's all.

Any live bugs is a super treat!

No hard pellets, .(on occasion green steamed bit of veggie but if live plants will nip at algaes and bugs.


Wetwebmedia again (Bob Fenner breeder world wide expert)

(go to home to see all links - tons)

(I love how even here they say - "they began in rice paddies in Thailand - hmm, lets see, millions of years of evolution and man came along and somehow out of nowhere after learning about rice cultivation (rather then picking wild) the betta came along.

Obviously the bettas migrated into these huge fast hill step paddies from neighboring streams that as well fed these rice fields (have books amazing after all...built along mountain sides and one layer drains to one below in step fashion).

And once there set up shop. The wilder types are found in many systems.

An aside:

(This guy buys and sells fish (great guy swang by to buy wood/moss from me on way to airport to pick up fish/then back to NJ for fish forum speaking - busy!)

I sometimes look up the wild bettas - beautiful in their own manner and some of these people set up bio type tanks - some of the wilds are in groups even the males!)

Betta information page.


Bettas, Siamese Fighting Fish

Siamese Fighting Fish, Betta splendens by Bob Fenner Improved (Better?) Products for Bettas! by Bob Fenner, & FAQs on: Betta splendens/Siamese Fighting Fish, Betta ID/Varieties,

Betta Behavior and Husbandry: Linking Betta splendens Aggression with Community Tank Preservation by Lonnie Lindberg, & FAQs on: Betta Behavior, Betta Behavior 2, & Betta Compatibility, Betta Compatibility 2, Betta Selection, Betta Feeding,

Betta Systems... More Than Bowls by Bob Fenner & FAQs on: Betta Systems, Betta Systems 2, Betta Systems 3, Betta Systems 4, Betta Systems 5, Betta Systems 6, & Betta System: Bowls/Tanks, Heating, Lighting, Filtration, & Water Quality, (See also: Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, Nitrogen Cycling), Maintenance,

Diseases of Bettas, Siamese Fighting Fish by Bob Fenner & FAQs on: Betta Disease 1, Betta Disease 2, Betta Disease 3, Betta Disease 4, Betta Disease 5, Betta Disease 6, Betta Disease 7, Betta Disease 9, Betta Disease 10, Betta Disease 11, Betta Disease 12, Betta Disease 13, Betta Disease 14, Betta Disease 15, Betta Disease 16, Betta Disease 17, Betta Disease 18, Betta Disease 19, Betta Disease 20, Betta Disease 21, Betta Health 22,Betta Health 23, Betta Health 24, Betta Health 25, Betta Health 26, Betta Health 27, Betta Health , & Selected Betta Disease SubFAQs: Determining/Diagnosing, Environmental (By far the largest cause), Nutritional, Viral/Cancer, Infectious (Bacterial, Fungal) (Bloat, Dropsy, Pop-Eye, Fin Rot...), Parasitic: Ich/White Spot, Velvet; Senescence/Old Age, Cures/Curatives/Treatments, Trauma, Genetic, Social, Buoyancy,

(Auxxx - another reason why more then 1/2 change - and for one fish way to much, is a shock to any fish)... again 1/4 twice week and gradual going back in)


Switching water or making water quality changes:

Anytime you change the water conditions (lower or increase PH, change bottled water brands) or switch from one type of water to another (for example from distilled water to tap water), you must DO SO VERY GRADUALLY or your betta might go into shock.

Even if he doesn’t pull a whole shock thing on you, he might get stressed, which will lower his immune system and will cause him to catch any bacteria present in his jar. A bad thing. So always take your time and ease him into his environment changes.

Make PH changes gradually over the course of a few days. The more abrupt the change, the more time you should take. NOTE: PH is often unstable and will “bounce” back up when you try to lower it. That is why I usually just add my PH down drops initially and then don’t worry about it anymore (I basically leave it alone after that).
(don't bother with ph adjustments down - harmful - if lower great for them)

I try to match fish to water... but our water can change over the years (sometimes months)

    Bookmark   March 19, 2015 at 9:11AM
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Photos more links

Lampeyes - one of my favorite and only when I moved then as a school in a 75 gallon did they start to thrive and then breed (would move moss into another globe - learning how to care for babies with small mouths - Dr. Innes (from 1940's books I had saved the day - screened in water egg yolk - then had so many gave to huge santuary (plant tank) in china town - but losses as many have before I realized (read up) that as a school they would stress each other (top guy would pick to death all those below him until he was only one left) all schools need big spaces - some bigger then others.

Great amazing set up.

Aquabid (where I got tons of narrow leaf java fern "cheap" from guy with large tanks where it overgrew - photo of clear long 12 gallon - could not complete - was to have rocks continue up and out on right side -hidden filter, and "falls area" wanted school of black neon tetras - one of my favorites. (again not true tetras).

Swords btw are lower light plants (the huge globe on chinese stand - forest of swords did very well) need to fertilize all plants according to their nature. Bettas are found in heavily planted lower light situations not bright light... some fish as well do not have eyelids - I had timers on my lights to replicate dark, dawn and slowly bring up then back down so as to not startle.

Huge globes (still can crack but not like glass)

Superb site - look under Aquatic Articles on water parameters (ph, hardness) and so much more.

Biodigester site (great explanation of water quality) (one still even in best balance aquarium needs to drain some h20 off bottom and top off slowly same ph, temp so on, as in enclosed environment, minerals other things build up...

Aquariums are lovely little bits of heaven that have been proven to lower your blood pressure and heart rate; some claim they extend your life.

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Biodigesters been specially designed to inhibit algae growth in aquariums by removing its food sources. Biodigesters (affectionately referred to as “bugs”) are a combination of all natural bacteria, lab grade purified enzymes with micro and macro nutrients. Biodigesters bacteria and enzymes are targeted to the food sources available in your aquariums water. Biodigesters can successfully attack, degrade, and liquefy fecal mass, undigested food, and other organics that contribute to a build-up of ammonia and bottom solids within the aquarium. Biodigesters condition the marine environments ecology, close to natures own.

Biodigesters microbes are reliable scavengers that thrive on organic mass (waste). As supplied they are in suspended animation (micro-encapsulated) but are revived when added to the tank. Shortly thereafter, they begin to digest excreta, excess food, oxidize ammonia, reduce nitrites, nitrates, and other N-Compounds and reduce odors.

Biodigesters proprietary blend of all natural bio-cultures and enzymes have been selected for their ability to effectively digest/degrade extremely heavy concentrations of organic mass within an aquatic system. Reducing those hostile factors that have been determined to be detrimental to the health and life cycle of both fin and shell fish.

    Bookmark   March 19, 2015 at 9:34AM
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From Rescue Work - photos from others, (decades of fish disease, treatment) by then however, bacteria have invaded arterial walls and takes massive measures and proper meds - much suffering and most do not make it.

These were found in snowy deli (door open freezing) got them all banned as health code violation (background City government/health department scholarship).

One person sent in. Kept arguing and after days of sending information, who knows... Columnaris looks like a fungus but is not - had noticed before tiny scale shifting... later became this very hard to treat but common disease... meds at pet stores often a mix of this that to hopefully get the correct target (without microscope hard to tell unless experience, the hard way, many fish dying)... Eventually I could treat many from petstore... but not easy and pharmaceutical meds expensive (guy would buy in bulk resell on ebay not sure now).

Another great site by Doctors of fish husbandry. (very helpful when I called even though a "small fry")


Example of how round globes, with wood/plants (equipment hidden in back) can allow for much room to roam (round and round - endless and in and out of plants wood in middle).

Wonders of wood and moss - (moss keeps water clean, stable) bettas love to nip on miscroscopic "bugs" and Anubias (very small types as well) sleep on, hide under - not to be planted in soil (grow out of water part of time near waterfalls)... not true roots but "anchors" (to hold onto rocks, wood).

Great example of Nano Anubias - on wood -

    Bookmark   March 19, 2015 at 10:02AM
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There are different forms of Anubias and many sold in stores die off fast (not meant to be submerged at all) or grow several feet tall!!

Nature Aquariums by Amano Takashi (idea source) but in reality not natural at all, some floating plants forced as ground cover so on and high intensive lighting and daily care!

Russian expert (link long buried) amazing information on this at the time "rare" to find plant. A few of the smaller ones on wood is all that would be needed for a healthy betta set up - 1/4 layer of sand for bio bug culture and that is all (hide smaller heater, inside filter) (hang on back WAY too forceful and I always used blue joint things with valve to slow water even with air types).

You can see many outside water (they are grown in pots in high humidity greenhouses - they are submerged and out in nature depending on dry/rainy season but high humidity areas)... as they are placed underwater - they go through transformation. I would often rotate them out into terrarium once or twice a year to allow them to restore their (tubors) with energy (food for them)...

My 20 narrow long, CA redwood branches, rocks (granite) moss, and diff Anubias species - cory school (or one with black band) and orange betta until she went after them with a vengeance - then into her own huge globe.

Catfish school to lower right (love them) - there were more but somewhere out of view.

1 - Wood, Anubias (nano, narrow one hard to tell - see above link) beautiful set up for one betta, school of tetras or other suitable (same temp, ph, hardness, background) fish.

2 - Different of the smaller Anubias, nano, middle sized (sorry no longer keep and not up on exact names) Look on Ebay many sold there. (other American outlets as well but see them in Petland (petco???) all the time. Now.

Coffee (Coffeefolia or coffeafolia)one is superb if can be found wrinkle leaves and what I had in clusters in globe with betta (blue then) and school of black neon tetras).

My lamp eye (not Latin Name) set up.... simple bunch plants - hard at first but later (when I did research on them - needed huge space although small, started to breed to point of too many and gave to China town sanctuary).

Beautiful blue eyes.

Partial View school of Black Neon Tetras

Partial view of moss on CA Redwood (was found in outdoor place where branches were huge and had been wet for ages) bought from guy near Cresent city ca... great underwater wood. Moss

Different type of moss - beautfiul tetra set up (not mine) much better lighting then I could do at the time. Moss needs more light then one would imagine in terrariums as well. (and ferts in high light)... Val in background? Others (black neon tetra) and beautiful

    Bookmark   March 19, 2015 at 12:46PM
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Last one - (so I say but not doing any of this anymore due to having had to move, and wish to share links)..... I loved this hobby that's for sure.

(note some bettas sub types in the wild are schooling). (ones sold here are not). Small verses larger environments - not contradictory opinion below (seller of mho horrific products) long tanks dividers, no plants always stressed so on)

As found on fish forum long ago....

Would you like to be kept in small elevator or bathroom with no toilet, food fed dry under door, or with so many others, you were constantly stressed, no room to roam (again Desmond Morris)...

I've had mine in both aquariums and "bowls" five gallon smallest but as noted highly maintained... depending on individual betta, one loved larger (orange long tailed female - where a male with the longer tail, unless shorter tailed wild) would not do well (tears tell, heavy to drag about). They did better in smaller size. (and smaller means no other fish - if so then need larger overall).

One example (mine)

Not mine but ok - too much gravel (future breeding ground for bacteria - even for plants way too much... and what's missing LID - lost a beauty who jumped through small hole in lid and landed in my long haired cats tail - while I was looking frantically all over for it - behind book shelves. As long as wet can survive a while... gave up - later brushing cat felt crispy (what I thought was leaf - poor baby!) so put plastic mesh over EVERY hole.

My gal loved to play in this rockly fall area in 75 she was FAST!!! - but tore her tail so healed it in hospital tank and in to other tank 20 long then her own globe.

Mock up...
Final - not completed... had to sell all when moved. Note hardly any sand (Dr. Foster and Smith great articles) only a 1/4 amount for bio cultures when no real plants in sand area. Narrow leaf java fern on wood.

Bettas in wild environements - no tiny puddles but wild caught (sold here as well, harder to raise) are being depleted in the wild. Many many fish to keep up with demand American, European other pet trade... used to be raised grown locally (when it was hard to ship by ocean).

(one person editor of fish magazine - in responce to betta tanks - around lamps, others now have toilet, sinks as aquarium, made all sorts of real footage of them in small areas, rice paddies, (and would say well notice they are in this small area - well yes, just as if we are sitting in chair at desk - but space around)... but I noted that unlike the highly vegetated natural environments and if wanted to could swim away, his tanks, had no vegetation (high light and exposure - fish feel stress when so exposed, can I be eaten) light over head and can't grow plants with lamp light anyway - on off depending on person not fish needs,) then VIBRATION - fish all fish intensely feel vibration.

That's the difference between someone marketing products (much experience as well) and finding supporting evidence.

These wild places have incoming, outgoing water. Smaller areas harder to keep stable. Then he sites breeders with small bowls (ugh) they are in the business of breeding them - too many aquariums.

He as well states they do not zoom about (well my orange gal sure did) and as any one will note when they are given larger spaces they are like puppy dogs. Swimming all over the place.


Google Youtube videos of Amazon underwater videos to see many species in their native environment. The water is "murky" (tannin from wood, river current) but HEALTHY... (until nature takes over life cycles due to seasons, many die off as smaller pooled areas dry up, food for other species - floods come again).

Unfortunately many (as always) still wild harvested and in decline - including angelfish which are easily bred. Source of income for locals to "feed" the aquarium trade - (big lot pet stores high demand - many die in shipment so on).

Great link for fish identification/and class/species. (needs) Hit fish image, then click Info so on...gets one started.

Images of Russian web site Toptropicals and different Anubias, underwater suitable and what can be done with them.

    Bookmark   March 19, 2015 at 2:03PM
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