Another Found Rose Question: 'Miriam Wilkins' HP

ArbutusOmnedo 10/24August 22, 2014

Does anyone grow the rose named for Miriam Wilkins? I imagine many of you knew her personally and carry on her legacy either with this rose or in some other way.

What can you tell me about her namesake found HP? Any idea of the identity behind it? I assume it was found in Northern California, but I don't know much about it beyond that and the look of the few pictures on HMF.

The success I've had with Grandmother's Hat and Sydonie makes me think there have to be a few other HP types (particularly found roses from California) that are worth trying. I see a good amount of talk about Barbara's Pasture Rose and Old Town Novato, but not this one. I'd seen it a few times on Rogue Valley's site before, but never even looked it up on HMF before last night. Thanks as always.

Jay

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jerijen(Zone 10)

I was under the impression that it was the same as the rose sold as "Spencer," and as 'Enfant de France.' But that's not what the HMF photos look like.

I know someone I can ask, but she is in NoCal, in very different conditions.

If it is the same as 'Enfant de France,' -- run screaming in a different direction. I have known few roses that mildewed with such complete enthusiasm.

    Bookmark   August 22, 2014 at 9:14PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

I personally don't think "Grandmother's Hat" is much like most Hybrid Perpetuals. IMHO, it is, in fact, a great deal like 'Gloire des Rosomanes,' (another rose that's sorta hard to categorize) -- and likely related to it.

But on a happier note, you might investigate these two:

"Benny Lopez" (Found in Santa Barbara, CA) and
"Old Town Novato" (Found in Novato, CA)

Both are pretty good roses in Coastal Southern CA -- particularly Benny Lopez. You'll find two sources listed on HMF for Benny -- both, ironically, on the East Coast. But I think Burlington might also have these two.

See below, Benny Lopez.

    Bookmark   August 22, 2014 at 10:45PM
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ArbutusOmnedo 10/24

I never thought to ask Burling, but that is a great idea. I contacted Rose Petals a few months back about Old Town Novato and they indicated some cuttings were developing, but shipping is pretty expensive from the East Coast.

I was just looking up roses descended from GH and noticed the color sport Tina Marie. I had never heard of it. The picture of yours on HMF is wonderful. Have you ever shared cuttings of that plant with any nursery or is it just circulated at cemetary rose auctions and similar events? Larry Daniels looks great on HMF, but the photos of Tina Marie are even better.

Jay

This post was edited by ArbutusOmnedo on Sat, Aug 23, 14 at 2:15

    Bookmark   August 23, 2014 at 12:17AM
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fogrose(zone 10/sunset 17)

As far as I understand, Gregg Lowery from Vintage Gardens discovered "Miriam Wilkins" rose growing in the Santa Rosa Rural Cemetery and named the plant after Miriam. I obtained a plant from the cemetery during one of their sales last year. I have it in a 5gal pot and it is slowly growing.

Diane

    Bookmark   August 23, 2014 at 12:28AM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Jay -- If my DH ever gets the greenhouse up and going, he will propagate a bunch of Tina Marie. There is now no source for it, but if/when we have plants, we will give 1-2 to Burling. And 1 at least to the Heritage, if they don't already have it.

We donated one to the Sacramento City Cemetery, and it is growing well there.

It's a beauty. You know what I think would be lovely? An informal hedge of alternating Grandmother's Hat and Tina Marie!

We also grew 'Larry Daniels' -- the OTHER pale sport of Grandmother's Hat. Since we grew them in fairly close proximity, we were able to see that they are not identical. Our L.D. was virused, and grew reluctantly. It often sported back to GramHat.

Our Tina Marie's are a good 8-ft. tall, and I've only once seen a sport back to GramHat.

I'm glad that, when we bought TM from Vintage, we bought both of the available plants. Because God willing and water available, we can make it available to a lot of folks.

    Bookmark   August 23, 2014 at 12:33PM
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ingrid_vc(Z10 SoCal)

WOW, Tina Marie is exquisite!!!

    Bookmark   August 23, 2014 at 12:47PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Ingrid, in your garden, it would be white.

    Bookmark   August 23, 2014 at 1:48PM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

Miriam Wilkens is a wonderful rose. I love mine. Sometimes later in the spring it gets some disease(big deal) Right now mine has lovely blooms. Who wouldn't want a rose named after Miriam?

    Bookmark   August 23, 2014 at 5:52PM
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Tessiess, SoCal Inland, 9b, 1272' elev

Grandmother's Hat sure is a chameleon. Look at this bloom on her today. Very hot colored pink and white (sort of reminiscent of Double Delight!), and the camera got the color pretty faithfully. Normally she is a cool mid pink, but now in August she looks like this (and is as fragrant as ever). She is next to and partially under a big cedar tree for a little sun protection as I noted she did not do well in Ingrid's sunny garden. Mine came from Vintage.

Melissa

    Bookmark   August 24, 2014 at 9:31PM
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Tessiess, SoCal Inland, 9b, 1272' elev

When I pulled the cane down to take a picture, someone said hello!

Melissa

    Bookmark   August 24, 2014 at 9:34PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

We have GramHat in many locations here, and from two different sources. We get a range of colors and forms from all of them. I think it's one of her greatest charms.

Jeri

    Bookmark   August 24, 2014 at 11:14PM
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ArbutusOmnedo 10/24

It turns out that Burling has a "small stock plant" of Old Town Novato, but she doesn't have Benny Lopez, Jeri. Hopefully she'll make OTN available in the not too distant future once her plant is larger.

Jay

    Bookmark   August 26, 2014 at 1:05PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Jay -- When we have an opportunity, we must get Benny to Burling.

    Bookmark   August 27, 2014 at 12:01PM
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bellegallica_zone9(9)

Jeri,

While you're thinking about getting rare plants to Burling, would you consider trying to get her one of Elizabeth's China?

Rose Petals has it in their catalog, but there is no telling when or if they'll ever offer it for sale online. Besides, it wouldn't hurt to have more than one nursery carrying it, one on either side of country at that. :-)

    Bookmark   August 27, 2014 at 7:14PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Sure enough. That's easy.

    Bookmark   August 27, 2014 at 7:26PM
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bellegallica_zone9(9)

That's awesome, Jeri. Thank you for being so kind and generous.

(Sorry, I misspelled Elisabeth.)

    Bookmark   August 28, 2014 at 7:35PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Belle -- I don't think Elisabeth would mind. :-)

Jeri

    Bookmark   August 28, 2014 at 10:37PM
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