Can you i.d. the red China I found on my walk?

luxrosaOctober 24, 2011

I was walking near the coast by Point Richmond, which is an old neighborhood that's been in existence for c. 150 years, it began its' life as the end of a railroad line during the Gold Rush era, in California.

- near the wayside I saw what appears to be a red China, but I could not identify it. I looked at all the photos of China roses that vintagegardens.com sells and the only thing that came close in color of bloom was 'Winecup' a saturated red-cerise. It is not 'Winecup" because the foliage is so very different and the bloom is also.

Coastal red China has 10-12 petals including a couple petaloids, and matures from a red-cerise blend to strongly saturated cerise

-large size of bloom, 2 and 9/10's in diameter.

-white streaks typical of China influence.

-stipules are so small that I couldn't measure them.

-the Point Richmond red China opens wide and flat

and then does an odd thing, the petals reflex backwards so that the flower appears like an umbrella if held right side up in ones hand.

-filaments are only red in the one fourth section nearest the base, and then are white as they extend towards the pale yellow pollen.

-filament arrangement is splayed out kinda in a dome shape but with different lengths of filaments.

-the white bit at the base of each petal is much smaller than that of 'Winecup'

-the foliage is different from 'Winecup' too, more delicate in substance and it had tiny serrations along the edge.

-fragrance was spicy and marvelous, but light, ff to f as the day progressed.

I didn't have my camera, and never mastered the skill of uploading to this site, but

-Does my rose description ring a bell?

The growth habit showed a bit different from a full China and I thought it might have had Bourbon in it to get that marvelous scent, and less of a twiggy growth habit on the wide basal canes. I can't remember the armature.

Luxrosa

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jacqueline9CA

Are you going to the talk on china roses at Quarryhill tomorrow? You should bring it!

Jackie

    Bookmark   October 24, 2011 at 7:06PM
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jill_perry_gw(z9 CA)

Can you start a plant for the Heritage? We have lots of found Chinas, but none that sound just like yours.
Jill

    Bookmark   October 24, 2011 at 9:46PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Start one for the Sacramento Cemetery, too! I can see it either there, or in the Heritage, if you do!

It sounds fascinating!

Photos? If you can't get solid photos, do you have a flatbed scanner????

Jeri

    Bookmark   October 24, 2011 at 9:56PM
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luxrosa

I'll gladly try and root plants for both the S.J.H.R.G. and Sacramento Cemetery.
I'll let you know when/if I have plants for you both.

I can't make it to Quarryhill, wish I could.
Jeri, I'll ask a friend if she could photograph it and post it here, it will probably take a couple weeks to schedule that.

Luxrosa

    Bookmark   October 25, 2011 at 6:00PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Thank you very much! I look forward to seeing it.
I love, love, LOVE China Roses.

Jeri

    Bookmark   October 25, 2011 at 6:47PM
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cemeteryrose(USDA 9/Sunset 14)

Yes, we'd welcome a plant for the Sacramento cemetery garden. Thanks!
Anita

    Bookmark   November 1, 2011 at 5:28PM
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