In the spirit of Jeri's post, must put in a shout for the wildlings. As usual, jeri cuts to the heart of things, pointing out how for her, in her garden, in her climate, teas are the tops. In an ideal world of conscientious gardeners, shouldn't these points be the most important. To grow a rose, or any other plant, in situations unfavourable and unnatural, can be done (as all those hardy and determined Minnesota Tippers can extol) but such HARD work, with such limiting results. And even if I could grow teas, they are a level of delicacy and refinement which would simply be wasted in the hurly-burly of my allotment. The size of teas is most tempting but of course, they would never grow into 8foot plants for me but would huddle, miserably lost in the rampaging toadflax, moon daisies and field geraniums. So yep, with my rubbishy sandy soil, my dry and windy climate and my overgrown weed patch, there is nothing to beat the likes of moyesii, R.primula, R.Californica (although some of the wichrana ramblers do a sound job too). Horses for courses, heres to diversity.