Halfeti 'black' roses

nikthegreek(9b/10a E of Athens, Greece)December 24, 2013

Please google up 'Halfeti black roses' and see for yourself what I consider either an internet prank or a tourism publicity stunt for the small Halfeti village in Turkey.

Supposedly very dark red roses grow 'wild' there, which at some point turn to real black. From the very few pictures that exist on the net, the images show heavily photoshopped black roses appearing to be florist type hybrid teas. The village authorities are said to be making efforts to coserve these supposedly rare wild roses by planting seeds of them... The explanation provided for the colour is the very rare qualities of the local soil.

Prank or not, this 'news' seems to be going viral on the net.

What's your opinion?
Nik

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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

I can't imagine anyone wanting one. I agree the ones pictured look unreal.

    Bookmark   December 24, 2013 at 12:44PM
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nikthegreek(9b/10a E of Athens, Greece)

Here's one link which refers to these roses. The pics look crudely manipulated by removing the Red channel information and leaving only the Green and Blue out of the RGB info. These must be very red HTs...
Nik

Here is a link that might be useful: Halfeti black roses

    Bookmark   December 24, 2013 at 12:55PM
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nikthegreek(9b/10a E of Athens, Greece)

Duplicate post removed

This post was edited by nikthegreek on Tue, Dec 24, 13 at 13:00

    Bookmark   December 24, 2013 at 12:56PM
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Ronn Bonites

If they're gonna plant seeds of them, then there's absolutely no guarantee that it's gonna be the same rose since those don't look like species roses. Something's fishy.

Some search results show that said black roses are actually very dark magenta roses, like Black Beauty and Black Jade. They also say that it growing in the Euphrates plus Halfeti's microclimate may contribute to its blackness. This seems more plausible than those obviously shopped roses.

    Bookmark   December 24, 2013 at 1:38PM
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nikthegreek(9b/10a E of Athens, Greece)

I thought about the pics having no relevance to the roses mentioned, but then I would have expected at least some real pictures should exist in some of these references. Couldn't find any.
Nik

    Bookmark   December 24, 2013 at 2:04PM
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nikthegreek(9b/10a E of Athens, Greece)

Below I found some more plausible pics, which look like Black Baccara or similar. No idea if these are true pictures of Halfeti roses.

Here is a link that might be useful: The black rose of Halfeti

    Bookmark   December 24, 2013 at 2:09PM
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roseblush1(8a/Sunset 7)

Think about it ...

"very dark red roses grow 'wild' there" ... pollenators are not attracted to black flowers. Mother Nature just doesn't work that way.

Smiles,
Lyn

    Bookmark   December 25, 2013 at 5:27PM
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Campanula UK Z8

I am afraid my inner cynic dismissed this as an absolute crock - not least because 15 years of avidly following wild roses, I have NEVER seen any species rose look remotely similar to these obvious hybrid teas/florist flowers. Lyn, I think, points out the obvious reason and every other aspect, especially the so-called Euphrates river soils, the ridiculous assertion of planting seedlings, but mostly, the viral nature of internet pranks, has convinced me that this is the usual 'rainbow' rose seeds on ebay scamalong.

Of course, humble pie is a frequent meal in my household but this time, I am not keeping the indigestion tablets to hand.

    Bookmark   December 26, 2013 at 8:09AM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Click bait, nothing more.

    Bookmark   December 26, 2013 at 9:12AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

I was flipping channels one night and came across a show that some one was talking about the very expensive rainbow roses they had flown in from South Africa and how amazing it was they grow that way naturally......

Here is a link that might be useful: FTD

    Bookmark   December 26, 2013 at 12:12PM
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nikthegreek(9b/10a E of Athens, Greece)

Well, the 'black rose' is even shown in the regions official's page. What I can believe may be the case is that florist rose production was/is taking place in the region, where some very dark red cultivar was used which, because of the region's soil characteristics and the particular climate was turning much darker than usual with age. That much I can believe. It's easy to take something with a grain of truth and blow it out of all proportion.
Nik

Here is a link that might be useful: Official Halfeti page

    Bookmark   December 26, 2013 at 12:42PM
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roseblush1(8a/Sunset 7)

Nik ... the key is that they cannot grow "naturally" from seed if they don't get pollenated. Not only are black roses unattractive to pollenators, there are too many petals in the rose in the photos of the "Halfeti 'black' roses"

Florist roses were bred for certain characteristics and were, and still are, propagated by tissue culture.

I agree with Suzy ... it's a "crock"

Smiles,
Lyn

    Bookmark   December 26, 2013 at 2:26PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Yeah, I also think it's a crock. And I think those are Florists's roses. Someone's having some fun with this ... It's a fraud.

Jeri

    Bookmark   December 26, 2013 at 2:54PM
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porkpal zone 9 Tx

Our little towns raise revenue with speed traps; Halfeti attracts tourisrt $$$ with "Black" roses...

    Bookmark   December 26, 2013 at 4:36PM
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nikthegreek(9b/10a E of Athens, Greece)

Hi roseblush, I agree on the seed part, did I ever say otherwise?

Below is a page from a Turkish language forum. From the few words of Turkish I understand and with Google translate I infer people are talking about the particular roses and saying they are really dark burgundy red. Some pics also (apart from the ones in post 54 which show modern HT roses from Spain) seem to indicate to my eyes that these are kind of early not well formed HT's maybe from late 1800s.

I provide the link here since the system rejects it in the Name of Link field for some reason
http://www.agaclar.net/forum/calilar/4057-2.htm

So I guess some kind of old very dark red HT is grown in gardens or in the field there and the rest are just an exaggeration and tourist promo. Btw there seems also to be a Turkish TV soap opera named 'Black Rose' (Karagül) which is filmed in that area... lol

As anybody can guess, I have had too much free time in my hands lately...

Nik

This post was edited by nikthegreek on Mon, Dec 30, 13 at 3:17

    Bookmark   December 27, 2013 at 10:47AM
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roseblush1(8a/Sunset 7)

Nik..

"Hi roseblush, I agree on the seed part, did I ever say otherwise?"

Nope you didn't.

Smiles,
Lyn

    Bookmark   December 27, 2013 at 1:41PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

That first group of pictures are obviously photoshopped to take out the color.

I have ink spots and it's very dark red with blackish tinges on the edges.

    Bookmark   December 27, 2013 at 2:17PM
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trospero(8)

I suggest we give the rose a more "American" name for the US market: 'Adobe Desaturate'!

Here is a link that might be useful: Desaturate

    Bookmark   December 27, 2013 at 5:34PM
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porkpal zone 9 Tx

Perfect!

    Bookmark   December 27, 2013 at 10:44PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

KEWL!

I'm seeing this used lately, increasingly, in advertising.

Jeri

    Bookmark   December 27, 2013 at 11:21PM
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SarahRose123

This rose is real but doesn't grow anywhere else and if you pick it it will become red. It's black only when it's attached to the root. Here is a pic someone I know took it when she visited the area. If these pics (some of them may be) manipulated why would they name this rose and you could find references all over the internet?

    Bookmark   June 12, 2014 at 11:31AM
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trospero(8)

I don't know which is more depressing -- the fact that you believe this is NOT a manipulated picture of what was obviously a normally-pigmented rose, or that "references all over the internet" suggest a high degree of legitimacy.

    Bookmark   June 12, 2014 at 11:56AM
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nikthegreek(9b/10a E of Athens, Greece)

Ha someone unburried this thread.
This is obviously a crudely manipulated picture (the red channel is completely taken out with only green and blue left which takes about 3secs in any image processing program (anybody with any knowledge of digital imaging can tell so). As for the references all over the internet, this is a joke if I ever heard one.

As for the photo that 'someone you know' took, it is reproduced in about a zillion internet sites as one can see below (thanks to google image search)
Nik

Here is a link that might be useful: The photo

This post was edited by nikthegreek on Thu, Jun 12, 14 at 12:52

    Bookmark   June 12, 2014 at 12:37PM
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DavidBeck

It never ceases me to amaze me that "Black Roses" comes up on this forum and others. Photos of black roses are all faked. I agree with nikthegreek - that one look at the photo reveals it was altered.

The link that Kippy-The-Hippy posted about the FTD site on multi-colored "Rainbow" roses may be a fake site entirely or a site masquarading as a FTD site to scam people for money.

Notice the page of 14 bouquets in vases. If you number them sequentially across beginning at the top, from left to right, look closely at the stems on numbers 4, 6, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14. They are identical. Someone photoshopped the bouquet heads to change the colors. The whole page looks suspect.

Please know that any claim for a gunuine black rose - or a true blue rose, for that matter - would generate major news coverage, and would be verified by major organizations that can attest to the validity of the claim: major agricultural-oriented universities, the American Rose Society, et. al.

The genetics of creating a true black or a true blue rose is daunting. Blue is a relatively rare color in plants. Bluebonnets, irises, pansies are some of the plants that do produce genes that display blue color. Except for Bluebonnets and a few others, blue colors that are seen at plant nurseries are created through human-induced hybridization.

Blue is not common in plants for a simple reason: most insects cannot see it! And, therefore, cannot polinate it. There is a reason that nature did not develop blue flowers.

Roses are not wind-pollinated. Rose pollen is relatively heavy and sticks to the stamens. An insect has to actively pollinate roses for it to propogate in nature.

Moreover, most pollinators see flowers in the infrared or ultraviolet, not visible light. Yellow is the color that insects most easily see. That's why yellow in the dominant color among all types of flowers.

Believe me, if you could get a rose gene that can produce a black or a blue rose and patent that process, you would be an instant millionaire!

    Bookmark   June 12, 2014 at 2:09PM
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PortlandMysteryRose(8)

Nik, the notions that go viral can be pretty crazy nuts, can't they? Too bad there's not a vaccine for bugs of that nature. Portland is currently the beneficiary of an offer of lapis blue rose seeds for sale on Craigslist. Don't miss this opportunity to order seeds from someone in TX who grows these rare garden gems but only sells 10 seeds at a time. (Her address is included in the ad but the posting source recommends that you mail order the rose seeds instead of driving out to her place since gas is so expensive.) Gee, wouldn't shockingly blue roses look swell in a vase next to inky black Greek funeral roses? (Tongue definitely in cheek.) Carol

    Bookmark   June 12, 2014 at 3:17PM
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PortlandMysteryRose(8)

Double post.

This post was edited by PortlandMysteryRose on Thu, Jun 12, 14 at 15:23

    Bookmark   June 12, 2014 at 3:18PM
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belmont8

You can find other photos of Halfeti roses where they are a more believable dark, velvety red more like Tuscany. The photos where they are truly black are obviously faked, as many posters have noted. You can see how the formerly red stems and even the red edges of the leaves have also become black.

    Bookmark   June 12, 2014 at 3:23PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

The photos from the Turkish forum remind me a lot of 'Nigrette', which I have growing in a pot. And not just the flower -- the general thin and twiggy growth, as well as the leaves themselves. I think the rose sold as 'Nigrette' is also being sold under the name 'Louis XIV'. While not truly black, they definitely have a black-velvet overlay, especially before opening fully.

:-)

~Christopher

    Bookmark   June 12, 2014 at 5:37PM
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