I would love to talk about Sempervivum, Marmoram and Jovibarba species culture and identification! Maybe trading, too. Anybody out there?
I just planted this for the first time. It is really so cute. I am wondering what it will look like when it gets bigger.
I have lots of varieties and get lots every month. If interested in trading pups, let me know.
what is sempervivum?
I am a big fan but can't find anywhere on the web to discuss, any suggestions.?
Hi Martin! I started this thread for that very reason: I want to discuss sempervivum varieties and culture, too, and was hoping we could start to do that here!
Sempervivums are sedums and succulents, like hens and chicks,dragons blood,sedum acre, kamtschaticum, S.rupestre,purpureum, etc. I would like to find more varieites that are hardy in in zone 5
Triple Creek - you are close- but the Sempervivums are distinct family (there are about 26 species and lots of hybrids) of succulents - the different sedum species are also succulents. There are a lot of plants commonly called "Hens & Chicks" or "Houseleeks", Sempervivum and Echeveria most usually... The semps and most of the ground cover sedums you mentioned are winter hardy...
Lovely plants. And really easy to propagate. Last year I ordered a selection of cultivar of semps from Squaw http://www.squawmountaingardens.com/ and have been really happy with how they look on my scree garden. So far they are taking full blasting sun. RJ
How is everyone's semps doing this summer?? I'm having great luck by providing lots of shade in my upper 90's and 100 degree weather. Here are some photos I though you might be interested in...
Here is a link that might be useful: My sempervivum collection
Sempervivums (Hens 'n Chicks) are wonderful! I love them! They are very hardy and take alot of abuse. I am in NY and have left them in buckets or pots OVER THE WINTER, and still they live! So far, I have collected about 100 types of Sedums and Semps...from trades with my GOOD FRIENDS AT GARDEN WEB, from a few local nurseries, and from nurseries on the internet.....the most and best being from Squaw Mountain Gardens. Look them up on the net. They have a wonderful selection of Sempervivum, Saxifrage, Jovibarba, etc.! Lots of pictures. Their prices are really good, they ship quickly, and their plants are beautifully packed!!!!! You won't be sorry. Consequently, I hope to have lots of Sedum and Sempervivum to trade next year. I do have lots of the "old-fashioned houseleeks" available if anyone is interested...they get huge...I have 100's and 100's!
Oh I love sedum and sempervivum too. They are happy anywhere with any amount of sun or shade, live through winter, live through downpour rainy years and dry thirsty drought years. They are GREAT plants. Oh and live in any zone, too ! :-)
Mareas, nice collection. Do you have any pics of your plantings? I just love being inspired by others' "creative expressions"!
I planted my sempervivums 3 months ago in a terracota pot. They grew fast in the summer. At one point they grew upwards instead of spreading out. At first i thought i did something wrong by not repotting it after they ran out of room to spread.
Then they flowered! I strongly recommend it to those whom never try it before. They're easy to grow for amateur gardener. Not a fussy plant really.
If you're growing a hardy perennial you don't have to worry too much as they wistand bitterly cold weather. They like
suny spot during fowering season and thrive in well drained soil. Enjoy!
Janet from BC, thank you for the compliment! YOUR photos are so awe inspiring!! Most of my semps are having to stay in pots since we will be moving - so I can only dream about grand designs, like yours!, of semps & rocks & matching sedums....
I've just come across these postings by chance. On 20th July 2003 I went to an International Sempervivum Fair about an hour's drive from where I live in Yorkshire, UK. You might be interested in the short report that I've written and a selection of photographs that give an idea of what the event was like. There used to be a Sempervivum Society in the UK but since it died some years ago this is the best that we can manage to take its place. Click on the link and see what you think.
Here is a link that might be useful: Sempervivum Fair Report
I've just realized Marea. I don't think I've come across a plant you've mentioned called Marmoram. Can you tell me more about them? Are they like Sempervivums, Rosularias and Jovibarbas in shape and form?
I make hypertufa pots and sempervivums love them. I make small shallow tufas and plant semps inthem. Great for someones desk or small office. Fish emulsion is my fav fertilizer. I use it on them once a month and blooms result many times. Squaw Mountain is my only source. I love their site where I can see great pics.
Oh Robert, you've come by design! I wanted so badly to go to the English Sempervivum Meeting as soon as I heard there was such a thing! People who actually KNOW about these plants and share the passion!! I have become so enamored of these plants as of last year and was dismayed when I learned the Society was defunct!! Thank you so much for sharing your views of the meeting and know I will haunt you by email for awhile about semps!!
Good to hear that you enjoyed the web site Marea. I met someone at the Sempervivum Fair and we agreed to swap plants and 29 new varieties have turned up this morning. I'd better get them planted out. You might be interested to hear that at the first Semp Fair the owner of Squaw Mountain Gardens spent the day with us - a big man with a ten-gallon hat. He made quite an impression.
Robert, Marmoram plants look and grow just like a sempervivum - I have just one, "Chocolate", in my photo album - but there are photos of several others on the Squaw Mountain Gardens website. It made me laugh to envision the American contingent there at the Fair in an archtypical ten-gallon hat - I like him already!
Peachpie - I haven't fertilized my semps with anything but some bone meal - fish emulsion, you say? I have bags of sand & peat moss and cement under plastic just waiting for some time to try making my own troughs. Any specific pointers for semp pots beyond what i can find in the hypertufa forum??
WOW! I didn't realize there were so many semp lovers out there like me. :O) Here is a link I think you will all find interesting! No, I do not own it but I sure did buy from them! Great labeled, healthy, plants!!! The only problem is they have too many to choose from. (with pictures) Good luck, now to figure out a way to hide all of those plant boxes the mailman brings from my hubby.
Here is a link that might be useful: henandchicks.com
No wonder I was confused Marea. Squaw Mountain Gardens have take various Sempervivum species like maroreum and ciliosum and listed them as if they are separate genera. Naughty, naughty. Now I know that they're all Sempervivums I'm happy.
Count me in on this love for sempervivans.
Here is an idea for a different type of container.
I found an old dining room chair that was set out on the curb for heavy trash pick up. I took off the padded seat and added flashing to the bottom. With the flashing on the bottom of the chair there is about 2" of soil, just enough for hens and chicks.
I have potting soil, "pea pebbles", and sand... what would be the best mixture to plant them in?
Most of my potted semps are thriving in a mixture of 1/2 potting soil w/perlite, 1/4 garden soil & 1/4 sterilized sand. On the advice of a great GW trader who works at a nursery, I have started adding a dusting of bonemeal to the mix.
I just finished a huge container of assorted Crassulates in May-and then moved to a hotter area in July- and all my plants were destroyed!I am so unhappy about this!I know it's all my fault,and I feel very stupid!I guess it's just cactus for me!
omniphasic, my semps and echeveria are in high, bright shade, which seems to protect most of them from the intense heat. Some are in containers, some in the ground. Don't give up.
Just starting out with semps too. Been gardening for many years, but for some crazy reason it just never occurred to me that there were other species and varieties than the ubiquitous common house leeks. Probably because they are almost never listed in any of the general mail order catalogs, or even found in most nurseries. All that changed a few years ago when I happened upon an arachnoideum at a new (to me) nursery. Since then I've started to collect also, and now have a few varieties available for trade if anyone is interested. I've taken the advice of many of you, and have just placed my first order with Squaw Mtn.
Currently have available to trade:
Jovibarba arenaria 'Red & Green' this was listed simply as Sempervivim 'Red and Green' at a nursery, but I've ID'd from pictures on the Squaw Mtn site. Definately a 'roller'.
Sempervivum 'Small Green' haven't been able to verify the ID on this one definitively, but it appears to be a semp, at least it produces chicks on stolons. 11/2 inches in diameter, pale green, tight rosette, think chrysanthemum flower and you can imagine it.
S arachnoideum 'Cob Web' Can't guarantee the ID either, but definately an arachnoideum. Small. From the same nursery as the above two. (Their errors in naming these are unusual, a they are usually professional all the way, just not into semps I guess.)
S 'Purple Beauty' Can't remember where i got this one, but appears to be the real thing.
And, of course, the common hens and chicks.
I do have two or three others that are not yet numerous enough to trade, but I could be talked into swapping a few chicks if someone was interested. They just would be only a few small chicks, nothing that I would normally be proud to send as a trade, but if someone want to do likewise, it would even out. Some are named, some not.
Looking for: just about anything I don't have. Like color, reds and bicolors especially, large growing semps, tight rosetts. Don't care for any Jovibarba, except heuffelii.
Hi Patrick! I'd love to trade some semps of mine that you might like for your 'Purple Beauty' and 'Red and Green'. Take a look at my semp photos when you have a chance and let me know!
Here is a link that might be useful: my semp photos
Hello All, I would like to know what your advice would be to someone who is planning to propagate semps to sell at my little nursery. I have already started my collection and have propagated these so far but just do not feel like I have a good system down. What size pot is best for the propagating? What is the best way to hold them over in the winter months? What temp is best for holding them over. I have a cold greenhouse and a warm greenhouse. My zone is a 6 most winters with zone 5 possible. If I order starts from someplace what size pot is best to start them out. Oh, I think I''m repeating myself. Your advice is appreciated. Bev.
I just found a huge one!The main one filled a 6 inch pot all by itself,and it's forming pups all around it.It is by far the largest one I've ever seen.
To answer your questions BeverlyWV I don't think that there is one set of answers. Living in the UK limits my ability to comment on your winter conditions but base any decisions on the understanding that Semps. don't like a combination of cold and wet. Cold by itself is fine. I understand that some of the cultivars raised on your side of the Atlantic may not be quite as hardy as average Semps. I'd be tempted to give your plants some rain protection but make sure that they have plenty of good airy ventiation. The amount of space needed to raise plants depends very much on the vigour of a particular variety. Some are small and develop slowly while others have large rosettes and use up space quickly. It won't take you long to learn about their individual needs. Hope this makes sense. I've discovered that 'Cmiral's Yellow' is easily killed off if it gets too wet. Good luck with your plans.
Here is a link that might be useful: More information for you about cultivating semps.
Thankyou Robert for the link. I am busy now but will be buying more semps this winter. I'm thinking about a sort of alpine house for them. This would be open on all sides and the pots would be up on benches. I'm also thinking of a light shade cloth as we get very hot sun here in summer. Bev
Hey, Semp Lovers - Just to give you all a follow-up: Patrick sent me a huge number of potfulls of just BEAUTIFUL semps - including a local East Coast common Hens & Chicks (S.Tectorum) rosette - which is always just a bit different than one grown in any other area, you know, and so quite valuable! We also share an interest in Cannas, so he also sent me "Striped Beauty" & in return I sent him a "Tropicanna". He is a most gracious and generous man!
*PLEASE NOTE: Patrick indicated that he will have semps to trade again next Spring*
If you are interested, check my journal beginning 11/01/03 to see the lists of Sempervivum, Sedum, Rose and Canna cultivars that I am currently growing, including my imports from Patrick, or check my photo album to see some of the plants I have been growing recently...
Here is a link that might be useful: my photo album
Newbie here, and needing a list of the absolute best semps for holding the red/burgundy color. Also, what's the biggest one w/ rich red/burgundy color? I'm in Oklahoma, and looking forward to this new addiction! Thanks!!
Here are a few web sites to help you with your search Petsitterbarb. You should be able to find a few red plants here. For myself I find variety is important. Try the link to get a taste of what's on offer.
Here is a link that might be useful: Semps of all sorts
Petsitterbarb, I ordered the all red, burgundy brown collection from Mountain Crest Gardens and fell in love with the variety of plants I was sent, not to mention the quality of plants. Those that are completely burgundy, purple or brown red and have held that color are Legolis (sp?), Viking and Purple Ruby. Unfortunately for you, they all seem to be medium to small. None are bright red, which is a color I would love to obtain myself. I wonder if the really bright reds that I have seen on the internet are winter color only. My climate is not very conducive to semps that color only during winter--too wet. I have to protect them and don't have a greenhouse so they don't get enough light. I have a wide range of semps now, from white green to pink to brown and purple. I love them all.
Xanadu, my vivid, bright red & deep purple semps DO lose their color in the heat of summer (here that is July through September), regardless of the shade I give them with big, floppy leaved sunflowers. Now that it has started to freeze at night here again all the colors are coming back - makes me LOVE winter!
Robert, thank you so much for all the informative, eye-candy links!!
For me in the UK sempervivums have their best colour in the spring and early summer. Plants that are kept under cover, that don't experience the sun on their backs and the wind in their hair, perform badly in terms of colour. It's the weathering and direct light that promotes the pigment. Kept in the shade most will go green. I give my plants some winter protection with good ventilation. This combined with low light levels means that the plants start the year with poor colour. Once outside in the open air they colour up within one or two weeks. It's a remarkable transformation that never ceases to amaze me.
I made a trip to a nursery in Stoughton, WI while back east in Sept. Brought a couple of semps out here to CO and planted them in my regular flower bed for lack of anywhere else to put them at the time. Malby's Hybrid and Semp. oumilum. I am making hpertufa troughs and will prob. replant them in them this spring. Should I mulch them now? It was 75 2 days ago and 20 today!!! Never sure what to do with new plantings. I also picked up a few dianthus and veronicas that were just charming. Same questions for them. I will be buying more of all I am sure. I am enthralled with trough gardening now!
terryinCS - I don't think mulching your sempervivums is a good plan. I have read other posts that describe missing whole colonies of semps when they are looked for under the mulch in the Spring - I suspect the plants die of crown rot and lack of sun over the winter. I carefully keep my plants free of leaves and debris and they have never failed to survive a mountain top winter. Your 2 semps are new to me - if you get photos uploaded please let me know!!
Thanks to all who responded to my post, with special thanks to Robert for all the "homework"! I have two orders enroute, and have done some "treasure hunting" at antique stores, and have come up with some very old metal bicycle baskets and numbered metal gym baskets to start my collection. Can't wait for my new little charges to arrive, and I have my fingers crossed that I can baby them along and do well with them. Cheers! Barb
Here's a site that is no longer selling but has some really good pictures for displaying
Here is a link that might be useful: Black Cat Nursery
Wow! Not another collection to start! I just loved the pictures at the Black Cat site. Well, maybe just a 'small' collection will be fine! lol
thanks for the list of sites that sell.
I am so excited to find this thread! I am hooked and didn't know that everyone else was too! HA! U have given me so many ideas of things to plant these wonderful treasures in..as soon as possible, I will share pics!
Having a web site which has a big section all about Sempervivums I am really pleased by the number of E-mails I get from Americans who have enjoyed their visit. I had one this morning from a lady who lives in California who would like to get hold of the Semp. called Cmiral's Yellow. I've tried to track down a US supplier but can't find one. This plant isn't stocked by Squaw Mountain Gardens. Does anyone have this plant or know where to find one on your side of the Atlantic Ocean? Please leave a message if you can help. I think import regulations might make posting one of my plants to California a bit tricky. If you want to know what this plant is like look at the picture on the home page of my web site.
Here is a link that might be useful: Photograph of Cmiral's Yellow
I just ordered some semps from Mountain Crest Gardens, and I hope to visit there sometime, since they are about a two hour drive north.
I enjoy semps, too, although many of mine are unnamed since I snag them at Home Depot when the shipments first comes in.
Mine seem to do better out in the ground tucked under rocks on the east sides, with perhaps a plant that will grow over and shade it in summer since our summers are so horribly hot in Redding, CA. I grow some of them on the north side of the house in pots and in feather-rock collections up against the house under the eaves where the rain can't drench them. I've lost none to cold weather, even though we get colder winter temps (mid 20s) than normal for our area.
Mareas, that Tiger Stripe semp was GORGEOUS! Yow!, wanna trade an Echnopsis pup for a Tiger pup? Do you like cacti that bloom? There is a photo of my cacti greenhouse with some of them blooming.
Here is a link that might be useful: my gardens and more
I got a couple of Cmiral's Yellow semps from Squaw Mountain Gardens in Estacada, Oregon a couple of springs ago. They didn't have it listed in their catalog, but I requested it and got some. Mine has been a very slow grower, barely holding on, but I'm hopeful it will produce chicks this spring.
Has anyone out there ordered from henandchicks.com? I am having a horrible time getting my plants ordered more than a month ago. They don't communicate with you either and have no phone or address info on their website. I would like to hear from anyone who has had dealings with them!
It's ironic that Cynde's post was the last one here, since I hopped on to ask if anyone knows why henandchicks.com only accepts PayPal as payment. I'd love to order some semps from them, but don't have or WANT PayPal. I emailed them to see if they ever accept checks or money orders, but haven't heard a word, and it's been several days. I'm looking forward to my Squaw Mountain order, and am delighted that Spring is finally here! My new "addiction" of semps can grow in many places here this Summer...
hensandchicks.com update: They finally sent Cyndee her order (with substitutions) after 2 months and with NO email responses ever. Use your semp buying money to go to a reputable nursery with online ordering!!
Does anyone have a recommended time to plant Semps? I live in Minnesota (central) and we have a short summer. I want to order some new plants but don't know when to order them, as I would like to plant them shortly after they arrive. Thanks! Lori
If you can go outside without freezing to death and you can see ground and not snow semps can be planted. I have ordered from Squaw Mountain in Jan. and planted them in 30 degree weather.
Hi...I would like to know the names of some semps that are reddish or pinkish that hold their color well in the hot summer? Anyone else out there have any that fit those qualifications? I have found that "Lizanne" does really well and stays red all through the heat! Thanks for any suggestions!
Hi mareas! I'm still out here and busy collecting semps. They seem to be doing really well this year! I've even broadened my horizons and added a couple of jovi's to my collection.
that is real nice, the colors are stunning! thank for sharing.th
I only have 4 different kinds of semps now but I just placed an order with Squaw Mountains for 12 more & can't wait to get them. My husband will have a fit but at least I can tell him these will remain outside. I have no more room inside for anykind of plant. I'll post some pics once I receive my new ones.
Hi, I put some images on the Cacti Gallery under the under the post "Can someone tell me what I have?" I didn't know how to do it here. Can anyone help me ID them?
GEEZ I'm desperate for spring! Found this thread and thought I'd post. I need some sympathy. I ordered lots of $s worth of semps last year. Mareas got me hooked (her fault). We had BIG winds that lifted many of them and took them to OZ(send them back) and all my careful labels also went off with the wind.......SNIFF.. So to make myself feel better I just put in an order with Mountain Crest..... LOL
Jackie - You DO have my sympathy! Poor Jackie!! Winds strong enough to pick up semps and labels and send them off? Horrors!
Now that you're "hooked" [evil grin] I can well imagine it was a deep, emotional blow to lose those garden jewels. Please DO tell what you think of the Mtn Crest shipment - I've never purchased from them and am most curious.
The worst thing that happened to my garden in 2004 was that my cat discovered that plant labels are great toys, so now I have to re-identify about 30 or so clumps. At least I have the list of which cultivars and species I've brought in...
Here's to a bright, deep purple Semp Spring ~ Marea
If my Oregon Sky is gone to Oz I'll really be upset. DH has 2 days off. I let him "rest" one day, but tomorrow he's going with me to GoodWill to look for kewl containers! He found me a little red wagon last year but it was in October. I've been making myself feel better by ordering. I thought I'd get a real confirm from Mt. Crest today but didn't. All I got was the 'we got your order' minutes after I put in the order. So I'll let you all know.
Any hope of getting a Semp list?
Wow. The more I learn the more I learn there is more to learn. I remember when I started gardening and thought all hostas looked alike and that hosta collectors must be crazy. Today I discover that hens and chicks aren't just for old boots. I checked out some of the sempervivums for sale online and now I want some. I don't even have any of the old boring kind that everyone's grandmas have. I'm so sad now. I need to go shopping.
Mareas .. thank you for starting this thread and to all those sharing their info. I enjoy several varieties of sedum in my garden and am inspired here to add to my collection. Have tried to grow the hen & chicks but the timber tigers,(squirrels),love them for snacks.
Muddytoez8Wa, I've had squirrels make lunch out of mine too. A local nursery told me to sprinkle them with Cayenne pepper. the pepper won't hurt the semps and they get it in and on them. Then when the squirrels get a whiff or a bite they run away.....I put it on 3 days ago and so far I don't think any more are missing... So maybe the Cayenne really works!
I put off ordering rfom Squaw Mnt. until I owned my own house. They are so bad! lol! I put all kinds of things in my cart (semps, jovs., etc) and realized I had to cut it back when I had $500 in there lol. What about these little guys is so awesome?! Glad to know others share in the sickness. My fav is to put mine in bonsai pots and mulch with small shells. I love it!
I have quite a few varieties of plants that fit here in this thread. I too would like to find others I do not have.
Sedums I have: Autumn Joy (2), rooting an autumn fire. vera jameson, voo doo(2), matrona(2), frosty morn, golden star(lots), rupestre(lots), rooting some of the katchamacehen (way wrong spelling), brilliant, and rooting some neon.
I have a few hen and chicks, but would love to acquire a couple of the echeveria like 'blue curls' and 'crinkle'.
I am starting a few of each of these to have extras around
The numbers above are starts I have rooted and can trade
Hi fellow Semp affecionados! Thought you might like to see my beloved 'Exquisite' semp fixing to bloom:
Those semps in bonsai pots with shells must be so pretty - I find myself looking for pretty semp pot rocks everywhere!!
NICE!! what's the one to the upper left? Yeah, I love my little semps with their pots and shells. I'll get a pic when I get back next week and post something up on here about it!
Anyone here cares to exchange sempervivums? I live in Slovenia / Europe, but it's possible to swap small parcels (10-15 pcs) with people from USA (sending semps in an envelope!).
Write me! email@example.com
We make hypertufa troughs and the sempervivums love living in them. So go to the hypertufa forum and learn to make some pots for your semps. We gather scree along stream beds near by and use a mixture of homemade potting soils and scree for planting. Fish emulsion for fertilizer once a month.
Will make a sempervivum swappers list.
To get you in the list and get a list itself once ready, mail me your email address and counts and surplus / wanted list.
Happy swappin in 2006!
Here is a link that might be useful: few of my semps ...
Has anyone any semp seeds to share? Unknown heritage would be fine......I'm not looking for a particular cross. I just like the anticipation of the unknown.
The address of sempervivum forum I just started is
Everybody is welcome to join!
Sempervivum swappers & sellers list vol. 2 will be out by the end of June 2006. There are 20+ listing and more than 1000 cultivars and species listed. For a free copy mail me ...
Ads are free, too, so anyone who wants to place an add in vol. 3 - contact me.
Here is a link that might be useful: sempervivum forum
Question...do any of you plant in the ground or do you always use pots for semps???
Certainly, in the ground too.
I am growing semps both in the ground and in throughs (we have about seven throughs) My newest one is called Blue Boy - it is big - the mother plants is a bit larger than a good sized grapefruit. Another one I like is quite a bit smaller - it is called Oddity - and the petals are little upright tubes. I have a red one called Crimsonette. It is about as big as a small apple. I like the little cobwebby ones - does anyone have any tricks to make them grow bigger?
I just started collecting this year and I am hooked! I have over 40 varieties now and hope to have over 100 by the end of fall. Would love to trade with anyone....named for named. Right now I only have a couple of named varieties ready for trade but should have quite a few in the spring. Anyone have a recommendation for a fertilizer? PLMK!
Hello to sempervivum enthusiasts. I have a selection of sempervivums to swap, please email me for details.
I would love to know where I can buy these kind of plants. I would love to see more black ones as well.
I am very interested in buying a couple of these plants, I even have pic of the ones I want. Can anyone help me get them I would be forever greatful. How can anyone not love these plants.
One of the many nurseries:
Here is a link that might be useful: Squaw Mountain Gardens
thank you. I order the plants and I have receive them,I know I have gotten the right soil for them but I think one of them is dying. What can I do! the leaves has gotten soft. I dont want the black prince to die but I dont know what to do to save it. Please help me.
Hey here's mine!
That is a very pretty semp. I love the way you have it displayed. Mine are less formal-I stick 'em anywhere I can. They are in rock gardens,containers and even some in a old tree stump that I filled with dirt.
I have named and unamed. I brought them from Michigan to Upstate NY last fall. Now I am having to relocate back to Mi and they get to take a road trip again. Thank goodness they are hardy little guys, most plants wouldn't like being moved around like that!
Is anyone interested in trading for unnamed variety semp pups? I have a few of those as well as a few named varieties. I'm just getting started with semps (with my granddaughter).
I love Semps. i am wanting to do a rock garden of just Semps next year. I have a few neat varietys if anyone is interested in an exchange with me.