PapMinPic

hawehaJuly 19, 2013

from
H.papilio x ("Minerva" x "Picotee")

ENJOY!

Siblings (1) and (2) from PapMinPic

PapMinPic1 is possibly the most spectacular Knight Star Lily that I have ever created

PapMinPic2 - their maiden bloom 2 years later after PapMinPic1

I pollinated almost my whole lot of bloom from "Striped Panther" from "PapMinPic1" - it is fair to assume that I can expect but very little seed from this crosspollination [DIP] x [TET] if AT ALL.

Interestingly, the flowers would fade almost immediately; less than 24 hours after I had dusted them.

EDIT in 04.Sept.2014: I obtained numerous seeds but few germinated. I have ONLY 16 strong seedlings from this project, which is more than I expect THOUGH

This post was edited by haweha on Thu, Sep 4, 14 at 12:56

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macroclemys

Hans,
It is great to be seeing more of your crosses! The new one may not be as striking as its sibling, but is beautiful nonetheless. Thanks for sharing.

Bill

    Bookmark   July 19, 2013 at 6:39AM
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kaboehm (zone 9a, TX USA)

Dear Hans-Werner,

Truly remarkable. I love how the petals of PapMinPic1 gently curl back a bit to emphasize beauty of this bloom. The color/markings are very striking.

Kristi

    Bookmark   July 19, 2013 at 8:23AM
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haweha

Very well observed Kristi!
This subtle folding, of the two lower part of the lower Tepals on the left and right side, enhances the attractiveness of the flower a lot. BTW: PapDon2 does exactly the same thing (but PapDon1 does not, nor does PapMinPic2).
As far as I remember, the flowers of "Fledermaus"="Mocca" do the same. But I must look this up

    Bookmark   July 19, 2013 at 9:26AM
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haweha

Very obvious in PapDon2

    Bookmark   July 19, 2013 at 9:31AM
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mariava7

Both are very lovely!!!
I do like PapMinPic1 also for it's clean and well defined beauty. :-)
Good luck with your Stripe Panther pollination. Hopefully the siblings would inherit the fragrance and most importantly, Stripe Panther's flower count.
Question: Do you still consider PapMinPic as a TET even if they have diploid genes (papilio) in them?
Thanks for sharing your pretties!!!

This post was edited by mariava7 on Fri, Jul 19, 13 at 9:50

    Bookmark   July 19, 2013 at 9:49AM
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dondeldux

Hans-Werner,

Very beautiful, once again. I'm still in love with PapDon2 though... Here is a picture of Mocca for your comparisons...

Donna

    Bookmark   July 19, 2013 at 10:02AM
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jstropic

Hans,

All of your crosses are so beautiful. You have been so successful with your crosses that it is almost impossible for me to pick a favorite - especially since I love the elegance of papilio.

Question: Are there many cultivars available of papilio and are there differences. (self fertile, set seeds, appearance etc). Thank you.
-J

    Bookmark   July 20, 2013 at 8:34AM
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haweha

Thank you all, for commenting!
"PapMinPic1" and "PapDon" (1 and 2) are all self fertile and they are all capable of pollinating "Ambiance" - which means they BEHAVE like TETraploids.
Maiden bloom of "PapMinPic1" had been an umbel of 3 florets, and 4 flowers the season thereafter, and now 2 only - I do not know why...
Donna, thank you for showing "Mocca" I wonder whether it is indeed a Papilio hybrid.
As to H.papilio itself, my only experiences are from the "common" clone which is traded worlwide..

    Bookmark   July 24, 2013 at 6:11PM
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dondeldux

Jody,

If you click on the link Leena provided in her seeds in Arctica thread it will take you to Mauro's Brazilian website which lists and shows pictures of several different strains of h. papilio...

Donna

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    Bookmark   July 24, 2013 at 6:31PM
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Tigrica

Fell in love with your flowers... Especially PapMinPic.
Question - how is it possible to pollinate papilio with 2 other varieties, isn't it one 'mother' and one 'father' flowers in the end?
Such a beauty!

    Bookmark   July 30, 2013 at 2:16PM
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dondeldux

I think I misunderstood the question so I removed my answer... ;-)

This post was edited by dondeldux on Wed, Jul 31, 13 at 16:29

    Bookmark   July 31, 2013 at 10:06AM
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Tigrica

Thank you Donna!
It all makes sense to me now and I will definitely try to pollinate my flowers next time.
Although it's hard to have such strikingly good results as haweha did :)

Rimma

    Bookmark   July 31, 2013 at 2:37PM
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dondeldux

Rimma,

I'm not sure if the question you asked was correctly anwsered by me as I think I may have misunderstood what you were asking and I probably should have let Hans-Werner answer. So, I am going to remove my answer...;-)

Donna

    Bookmark   July 31, 2013 at 4:25PM
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kaboehm (zone 9a, TX USA)

Donna,

I don't know if I understood either, and hope that Hans-Werner may provide some insight. I have attached a thread from 2 years ago where he provides photos of many of his crosses.

Instead of 2 pollen parents, it only appears to be 2 because the pollen donor may have been a cross of X and Y.
K

Here is a link that might be useful: Miscellanous Hippeastrums 2nd set of 2011

    Bookmark   July 31, 2013 at 5:01PM
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haweha

Okay I understand...

(A x B) x (C x D)
means,
the primary hybrids (primary=in regard to my breeding project or family tree if you will)
A x B
and
C x D
were created in the first place.
Then these primary hybrids were crosspollinated
(H.papilio) x ("Minerva" x "Picotee")
means,
a hybrid from "Minerva" x "Picotee"
had been used to pollinate H.papilio.
I could also have written
H.papilio x "MinPic"
if you will.
The appearance of this "MinPic"="Minerva x "Picotee"
had been:

    Bookmark   August 1, 2013 at 8:50AM
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haweha

Here we go again!
New season, new performance: After continuous cultivation at 23ðC indoors, then moved out, in June, on the Balcony, but safe from rain. No "technical" reposal period - the subtle temperature drop from in- to outdoors does the job. Superior performance from a stronger bulb under unfiltered Sâ¼N light:

The third floret of the first scape is a complete flower with 4+4 Segment, 8 Anthers, and 4-part-Stigma:

The second scape has 3 florets on it too.

    Bookmark   September 4, 2014 at 12:50PM
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lenanen

Very nice!

    Bookmark   September 4, 2014 at 4:13PM
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kaboehm (zone 9a, TX USA)

Dear Hans-Werner,
It looks like PapMinPic is at its prime! Very lovely indeed.
All the best,
Kristi

    Bookmark   September 4, 2014 at 6:55PM
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haweha

"At its prime"
The same applies for PapMinPic2 (1 scape two florets)

It resembles a "Flamenco Queen". Fortunately I have two bulbs of this commercial hybrid, and I will not hesitate and crosspollinate with "PapMinPic" if I manage to bloom them coincidally next season. So far I have only seedlings from "PapDon1" x "Flamenco Queen" - just "two leaves old".

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 10:34AM
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jstropic

Gorgeous! - J

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 3:19PM
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haweha

I arranged them a bit, using Adhesive Tape, to have both flowers look into the Camera:

    Bookmark   September 16, 2014 at 9:15AM
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jodik_gw

They're all lovely! I just love looking at photos of my favorite flowers!

Nicely done!

    Bookmark   September 21, 2014 at 12:38PM
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haweha

Thank you Jodi!
Now I am waiting for the Seed Pods to mature, specially from the one Tetragonal floret of PapMinPic1, the shape of which Pod is to become comparable to a "Bishops Head Cover". I had had hitherto, but one flower of this kind, from "Limona" and the respective Seed pod, but, hélas, I missed the occasion to document it. I have pollinated ALL flowers: "PapMinPic1"[self] and "PapMinPic2" x "PapMinPic1" and I consider providing my friends with the seeds thereof. I AM already raising 12 good seedlings of "PapMinPic2" x "PapMinPic1" and 24 of "PapMinPic1"[self] from last year. Spotted Knight StarLilies rock! I hope that the other 16 seedlings, namely from "Striped Panther" x "PapMinPic1" will be spotted AND fragrant. These infos are meant to indicate that I am far in better moods NOW than I used to be THEN, when I neglected and subsequently lost numerous Hippeastrums.

This post was edited by haweha on Sun, Sep 21, 14 at 18:09

    Bookmark   September 21, 2014 at 6:05PM
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blancawing

Dear Hans-Werner,

So happy to hear that these latest beauties have lifted your mood!

You have much to celebrate.

Kind regards,

Blanca

    Bookmark   September 21, 2014 at 7:06PM
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mitsukiwi

Hans,

These crosses are so beautiful! You have done amazingly. The PapMinPic2 takes my breath away!

Keep up the good work and keep sending the pictures!!!

Nancy

    Bookmark   September 26, 2014 at 3:52AM
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haweha

Thank you all for your input.
Long ago, yet one close up on the bloom from the 2nd scape of "PapMinPic1"

And now, here it is, the tetragonal Seed Pod (the "Bishop's Miter" which, btw, also the tetragonal Cactus Astrophytum myriostigma is called) from the 3rd Floret of the 1st scape:

This post was edited by haweha on Mon, Oct 6, 14 at 18:00

    Bookmark   October 6, 2014 at 5:58PM
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haweha

For a nice memory...

    Bookmark   December 7, 2014 at 2:10PM
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dondeldux

Lovely butterfly shape on your seedpod, hope all the seeds were good and produce lovely flowers.

Donnaâºâº

    Bookmark   December 7, 2014 at 5:59PM
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dondeldux

removing duplicate post once again...

This post was edited by dondeldux on Sun, Dec 7, 14 at 18:01

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jstropic

That looks just like a butterfly - did you keep it Hans? Your hybrids are always gorgeous ad thanks or sharing all your pics! - J

    Bookmark   December 7, 2014 at 8:57PM
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