Next stage? We found another one that had the leaf rolled, but was out of the leaf and up the stem of the branch about 3"? I thought it was too low, one of my dogs runs under the bush multiple times a day...small dog, just under 10 pounds. Anyway, this has been a blast to watch! There's 2 mostly that have always been around the same area. Bert and Ernie, Lucy and Ricky, Fred and Ethel...my list goes on...lol...! I made a video of this particular one where it appears to be "shaving" down the insides of the leaf...shaving is lack of the correct word on my part!