Winter hibernation?

redwolfdoc_z5(5)November 10, 2013

Hello All!

Well, here in zone 5 Ontario things are winding down... Spring bulbs are all in, brown foliage mostly cleaned up from the herbaceous perennials, those that require winter protection are nicely mounded up... What now?

Because I'm on the detail-oriented (aka obsessive) side I'm spending some time compiling a database of botanical and practical information on all my garden plants, and updating my garden maps to reflect this year's changes, but those tasks will hardly take me through to May!

So I was just wondering... what gardening do you do during the winter?

Cheers!
Karen

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rina_

Karen

Sounds like you are very organized. Do you have large garden?
From reading your profile, I can see that above-mentioned compiling of info won't take you long - it would keep me busy whole winter long plus...
I am planning on doing some of the 'information gathering' and planning out some new garden beds. I am thinking about trying out some winter sowing - just a little to start out.
Do you start any of the plants yourself from seeds?
What part of Ontario are you in?

Rina

    Bookmark   November 11, 2013 at 8:31AM
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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

Hi Rina!

I'm in Toronto, near Lake Ontario. Not a bad spot to garden! My yard isn't huge, but somehow I've managed to pack in quite a lot, and still have some running-around space for my kids. It's eastern-exposure and I've got a full-sun bed, a part-shade bed, and a full-shade bed, so I can try lots of different things. Roses on one side, hostas on another... it's good fun!
I've never tried seeds - but it sounds like fun! What are you starting with? Do you have a dedicated space indoors for the seedlings?
I think planning new beds is one of my favourite aspects of gardening. All those little details to consider, plus the excitement of designing new and beautiful living spaces! Enjoy - what kinds of plants are you considering?

Karen

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Hey ya all from BC.

I pretty much am doing the same things. I admire you folks that can envision what things are going to look like. I have to plant see how it looks, move, shovel prune etc.

Right now I am putting together my rose order and trying to figuring out where I will plant each and what kind of beds I will make. Then I will move onto figuring out what seeds I want, then what tubers to order LOL

I think my favourite part of it all is shopping for new plants.

Do any of you have pictures you can share on these snowy days :).

Have a great day,

SCG

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Karen

I thought TO is 6-6a zone...right now I am in TO also, but moving to 5b...so starting over.
I have started (mostly tomatoes & some other veggies) from seeds for few years; don't have any dedicated space-tried basement with lights, family room by the windows, kitchen windows. Wherever could find empty space.
That's why I thought of trying out winter sowing-there is a forum for it too here on GW (Canadian winter sowing). There doesn't seem to be any 'traffic' on the forum, but maybe after New Year when sowing starts? I think for beginning I'll try what I think is easy - Echinacea , and some seeds I have from my garden (like blackberry lily-have many of them, will try baptisia too, and beautyberry).
I'll see how it will work for me.

SCG
I like shopping for new plants too, even if it is only window shopping.
Not sure if my envisioning is that good! - somehow, it always looks better in my mind. But there is always mowing the plants, re-doing the beds - right? I hope that I can avoid all that extra work for at least few years - but not sure.
Here is photo of very dark corner earlier this year.
Hope you post some too.

Rina

    Bookmark   November 12, 2013 at 12:30AM
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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

TO is zone 6 by Natural Resources Canada zone definitions, zone 5 by USDA definitions - confusing, eh? :)

That's a beautiful bed, Rina! I love all the Solomon's Seal - I put 5 in this year and every one of them got broken off by raccoons. D'Oh! Fingers crossed they come back next year. Do the variegated really go that gorgeous parchment colour in the fall like you see in pictures?
Moving and starting over must be bittersweet. Will you take any specimen plants with you?

And thank you SCG, for giving me another winter task - organizing my digital photos! lol! I couldn't find any decent ones of the beds but did come across some reasonable closeups of a few roses.

Moving, shoveling and pruning is absolutely necessary for me too! It's a constant editing process...

Here is a link that might be useful: Nice explanation of Canadian vs US zoning

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Iceberg shrub rose - sadly, this one may be doomed. Despite it's supposed resistance, it's been beset by black spot for two years running.

Wild Blue Yonder

Julia Child

And just for fun, this was our street last February

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Karen

Thank you. That border is really 'in the dark' now, shrubs & trees around (mostly neighbours gardens) grew a lot over past 15 years. It used to be sunny!
Here is another shot, Virginia bluebels in spring.

Your roses are pretty.
I don't grow any roses, but was reading about black spot somewhere here on GW (I believe it was Garden experiments forum). Using cornmeal against black spot, also tomato blight, and some more. There are few different posts about it - I do not have any experience, but it sounded very interesting.

maybe worth trying out

I have variegated Solomon's seal and the plain green that grows taller. It does turn the color you are describing in fall. I love them since they bloom early in spring, and are just 'right' hight.
I have already moved over 200 pots...will see what survives until next spring.

Good idea organizing digital photos! Should remember to do that too (if winter is long enough for everything I have to do, lol).

Rina

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Thank you for the link to the advice about black spot, Rina! I'll definitely try it out next season. I had already decided that next year will be the last chance for Iceberg; maybe I can pull it through.

Good luck with your move. Sounds like a lot of work! Once upon a time I moved every couple of years for my education/career, and it was always a huge undertaking. And I wasn't a gardener then!

I looked through a number of local nurseries for variegated Solomon's Seal this past year and couldn't find it at all. Did you get yours locally (or recently)? I have a shady bed at the back of my yard that really needs some...

Very pretty bluebells. Love the colour!
Karen

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Love the pictures all!! I just started putting bedding gardens and getting into shrubs this year. I have one perennial bed that is just a season old and desperately needs rearranging. I will try to find pictures.

I am also addicted to roses. I have acquired 12 this year, most are still in pots and have an order for 31 in right now LOL!!!

Have to run and find some pictures for you all.

SCG

    Bookmark   November 12, 2013 at 11:01PM
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Karen

I have the Solomon's seal for a long time, don't remember where I got it from (probably Plant World? - not sure).

SCG

do you know shrubs you like to get?
Some I have: Miss Kim lilac - love the scent when in bloom;
Beautyberry (Callicarpa) - purple berries in fall-winter; ninebark Diablo; Deutzia (have white & pink-smaller shrubs, like them both very much) & few others. Also a wisteria (only bloomed once after having it for about 12 yrs!), and trumpet vine - both too large for small city garden.

Trumpet vine:

Miss Kim lilac:

White deutzia:

Last photo is beautyberry.
Rina

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

rina_

To be quite honest I don't know what I like and want. I just acquired this property 5 yrs ago and been slowly working on it when I have time. My kids are 4 and 2.5yrs old, if you know what I mean. Plus I just got the itch 2 years ago to start gardening outside of containers.

For shrubs I currently have 5 hydrangea's, 2 Rhodies, 3 Dogwoods, 4 Potentilla's, 3 buddleia, 12 roses and a couple of maples.

I found a few pics for you all. I am a photographing nut but this year was overwhelming with everything that happened so didn't get many.

An annual bed in front of my shop

The dahlia's with a bed of sunflowers running along the side of my shop in the background.

My part shade bed

SCG

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SCG

That is really nice. Looks like you have large property. Great for the kids. And many rocks - that could be good or bad thing, right?
Btw, are your hydrangeas all different? I only have Annabelle and oak-leaf, but would like to get some others too.

I like clematis too, and beside climbing ones have a bush clematis - looks like a smaller shrub.
Rina

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

LOL, The rocks I actually found and brought in, about 15 truckloads. I had thought they were a good idea....I guess anything is good in moderation hehe.

I do have a larger property but it is heavily wooded and has taken a long time to fence off what I have. Plus I am going to have to remove a large number of trees to allow more sun for my roses and the veggie garden I would like to plant.

I forgot to mention that I heard trumpet vine was invasive...did you find that?

Yes, my hydrangea's are almost all different. I have an Annabelle, 2 x Endless Summer, Bella Anna and a Pee Gee.

I also like clematis and put a few in this year. I have a jackmanni superba and three others that aren't worth mentioning since the 4 legged slugs cut them down and I don't think they will make it. My goal over the next few years is to try and hide my shop in vines, roses and clematis.

Love the look of that clematis bush..keep the pics coming!

SCG

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That's lot of truckloads, what do we do for love of gardening!
Yes, trumpet vine could be invasive & I am taking it out since it started to sprout in my neighbours lawn...but hummingbirds love it and Baltimore oriole too, so if you have room it's good plant. Just watch for sprouts-mowe them or pull out as soon as notice.

Queen of the Prairie-looks like a cotton candy:

Brunnera Jack Frost:

Japanese painted fern:

Aruncus (goatsbeard-another shrub-like plant):

tree peony-beautiful, I am going to get some other colors:

lots of semps:

hardy geranium-beautiful color:

love this Maidenhair fern:

I lied - just realized I have a rose; this is Fairy rose:

Rina

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Love 'Queen of the Prairies' !!! Wonder how it would look with Astilbe.

I can't wait till my plants mature!!!

SCG

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SCG

Do you have Queen of the Prairies? Very nice plant, taller, so put it at least middle of the bed. Clump spreads, but very slowly so no need to divide often. Should grow to full height first season. Flowers last long time, seed-heads are attractive (they get fluffy - cotton candy like) & nice foliage too.

Shooting star (Dodecatheon) between hostas:

Rina

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BTW, anybody else thinking of next year already???

Karen, I will check if there is any extra variegated Solomon's seal roots left in my present garden (I dug out most of them) if you like to have some.

Rina

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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

Hello

Loving all the pics, thank you!

SCG - I've also been in my house for only five years and have a 6.5 and 3.5 year old to contend with, so I know exactly what you mean! lol
Can you feel my envy for all those roses you've got on order? Oh to have the space! What nursery do you order from - so many of the American ones don't ship cross-border. I've got three on order right now from Hortico, but many more on my wishlist!

I also love rhodies and azalea and have five all together. And hostas - particularly the mouse series.Bugbane, astilbe, ferns... I'm planning to try out heuchera this coming year.

Rina - those ferns are lovely! I have a couple Japanese Painted, Ostrich, and a great one called Brilliance, but I'm going to have to get a Maidenhair to go with them!

I have a nice healthy goatsbeard I inherited with the house, some nice Autumn Joy sedum and semps, the ubiquitous euonymus, dogwood, sand cherry, forsythia, weigela (wine and roses) and a kerria that started as a modest cutting and has grown like a weed, but hasn't bloomed that much as of yet. Three Rose of Sharon as well. Oh and a strong little potentilla (pink) that I rescued from a spot that turned into dense shade after our new shed was built.

My beds are young; haven't filled in and are still in flux, but here are a few things

This bed has already been significantly rearranged since this was taken, early in the season

hosta (Blue Angel and Autumn Frost)

Lilac tree

Nova Zembla rhodie

    Bookmark   November 13, 2013 at 10:03PM
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Rina - if you have any leftover SS, I'd LOVE to have them - thank you for the kind offer!!!!

I'm definitely thinking of next year! Got a wish list going already! Heuchera, more ferns and hosta...
I put in a bunch of lilies and 'perennial' tulips this fall (even after swearing off tulips when the squirrels ate them all last year) so am hoping those do well.

And I agree - that Queen of the Prairies is gorgeous! Looks lavender in the photo - or is it pink?

I picked up a Little Lime hydrangea this fall and and an Endless Summer. Also have Cityline Venice.

SCG - what are some of your favourite roses?

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Rina - your moving date must be coming up if you've dug out over 200 plants already? Your poor back!

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

I don't have Queen of the Prairies either, but may look into them.

I am thinking of next year already as well, I have ordered most of what I am doing already. This year I am going to do the roses and annuals then plant companion plants (read more roses) for the roses the following year.

I am waiting on my part shade bed to mature so I can see how things look before I plant anymore. They are all spaced on how big they are 'supposed' to get so if they do just that the bed will be full....if more I will have some rearranging :)

I can't comment on what my favourite roses are because I only had one in the ground this year when I fell in love with them (Morden Sunrise....great fragrance). I have 12 in pots that I got this fall, 6 more at my dads old place I am digging up in the spring then 19 from Pickering Nurseries, 8 from Palatine and 4 from the local nursery on order. I fell in love with the big, super fragrant once blooming OGR's I came across this year so most of my roses on order are in the Antique rose class.

Ohhh ya hosta's I love them....next year I am building a bed strictly for them. I am going to order the Road to Ruins collection from Hostageek.ca.

I could go on an on about what I plan to do but I know that will change at least twice by the time you read this :) I only know that I have roses coming LOL.

BTW love the rhodie I can't wait to see if mine bloom this year....

I can't remember who wants to shovel prune the Iceberg rose....if you do I would trade something for it bare rooted or bud wood from it.

I have a few more pictures Here

The picture with the deer in it was my back yard where the beds now are last summer. Even the BBQ and deck are changed lol.....

SCG

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    Bookmark   November 13, 2013 at 10:52PM
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Karen

found some - almost sure it's variegated...will send you pm. Rina

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Rina - yay! Thank you! :)

SCG - Are you familiar with the website Help Me Find? Great site for info on roses, also has a lot of stuff on clematis and peony. http://www.helpmefind.com

The iceberg shrub rose is mine. I cut it back to 6" this fall and mounded it up for the winter - it hasn't been very vigorous or black spot resistant for the last three years, though it's supposed to be both. I was thinking to try it for one more season, but I'd be willing to trade it if you think you'll have better luck - no idea how to get it to you though! Any thoughts?

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Redwolfdoc,

Re: helpmefind.com = addiction :) Thanks though!

On the rose it would be easy. It could be bare rooted or budwood canes cut off and shipped. We can cross that bridge when we get to it. You could pick from the many I will have, if you wish.

Anyone have suggestions for what works as deer resistant perennials that work for mass planting? I been thinking of echinacae, foxglove and zinnia (annual)

BTW if anyone wants Papaver Somnifernum seeds I have a whole pile.

SCG

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SCG

Is that the 'real one' - I mean poppy that has edible poppy seeds? I would love some...reminds me of my grandmas gardens, they grew all their food including poppy seeds (love the poppy seeds cakes-rolls...)
I could send you some flower seeds that I have-if there is anything you would like:
small yellow foxglove (digitalis lutea)
stevia
blackberry lilly (orange)
jewels of Opar
cerinthe Kiwi blue
dianthus - mixed colors, maybe I have some carmine red separately but have to check
Japanese fan columbine Nana alba
sunflower Mamoth Russian
sweet pea (lavender, spencer giant mixed)
morning glory Flying saucers, Kniola's Black knight
moonflover
Most of them collected from my garden.
I could collect some berries from beautyberry bush, I am almost sure some will sprout in spring (photo is of flowering beautyberry, green berries turn to long-lasting purple berries)
Rina

Rina

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Yes Rina it is the edible (as far as I know, no warranty LOL) variety. email me at filimek AT me DOT com with your address.

You are welcome to send seeds if you want. The only thing I am not interested in is Sunflower, Morning glory, stevia and Dianthus (unless perennial).

Man snow has melted might be able to get outside and build some beds for spring...YAY!

SCG

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SCG - I also have a Carefree Beauty shrub rose I'd be good to trade if you're interested. What roses will you have?

I know - Help Me Find is a total black hole for time! Sorry to contribute to your addiction! Well, not really! :)

I just ordered six roses from Palatine. As I'm close by I'll be able to pick them up myself and visit the nursery come April. Should be lots of fun - that's wine country too!

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Red, must be nice living so close....I would be absolutely broke if I lived there.

Since you asked............

Rugosa - Rosaraie de l'Hay, Rugelda, Blanc Double de Coubert, Dr. Eckener
Hybrid musk - Penelope, Skyrocket, Felicia, Cornelia
Hybrid Moyessi - Nevada
Gallica - Tuscany Superb, Duchesse de Montebello
Hybrid Setigera - Erinnerung an Brod
Damask Portland - Rose de Rescht, Comte de Chambord
Hybrid Spinosissima - Stanwell Perpetual
Bourbon - Boule de Neige, Louis Odier, Reine Victoria, Mme. Isaac Pereire
Hybrid Foetida - Harrison's Yellow
Alba - Maiden's Blush, Belle Amour, Mme Legra's de St. Germain
Hybrid Perpetual - Reine des Violettes, General jack
Floribunda - Gruss an Aachen, Easy Does it, Hot Cocoa, Tournament of Roses, Iceberg, Marina
Grandiflora - Dream Come True, Double Delight
Hybrid Tea - Sunny Daze, Belami, Folklore, Oklahoma
Shrub - Morden Sunrise, Morden Ruby, Morden Blush, Double knockout. Emily Carr, Bill Reid
Climbers - Captain Samuel Holland, John Davis
Hybrid Multiflora - Ghislaine de Feligonde
Noisette Climber- Mme Alfred Carriere

I haven't gotten a confirmation order from Pickering yet but have gotten one from the roses I am getting from Palatine. Nor do I know if the ones ordered from the local nursery are all going to come but expect all but one or two. I have about 14 of the roses in the list.

Carefree beauty is a nice buck rose...we surely can work a trade in someplace. Now what are you getting?

Isn't shopping and ordering fun?

SCG

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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

Rina, do you ever use fallen leaves with tar spot on them as winter mulch? I know the advice is not to use affected leaves, but those are few and far between in my neighbourhood! My yard is ankle deep from my neighbour's maple and all the leaves are spotted. Seems a waste not to use them!

SCG - That's a great list! More in a bit...

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SCG - you've got some beautiful roses in that list! My oh my! We overlap on Hot Cocoa, but that's the only one.

Shopping surely is a lot of fun. Even if I'm mostly window shopping. Wish I had more space! My daughter is running a campaign against roses due to the thorns, but she's not going to win - I love them too much! :)

I ordered:
Grandiflora - Twilight Zone, About Face
Hybrid multiflora - Bleu Magenta
Floribunda - Brothers Grimm, Koko Loko, Hot Cocoa
Hybrid Tea - Nantucket
Shrub - Bull's Eye

I currently have Julia Child, Carefree Beauty, Wild Blue Yonder, Blue Angel, Iceberg and Bolero.

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SCG - I'm definitely game to try a cutting exchange (or even bare root) but I've never done it before so I'll need instructions! Would we be best to wait for March or April? If you like feel free to send me a pm.

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I use all the fallen leaves, first chop them up with lawnmower, then I fill large plastic bags approx. 1/3 full of chopped leaves, I add some soil/compost/manure(whatever available, shovel full or so), add another 1/3rd and so-on. I also mix it with some plant refuse, like hosta leaves (I don't chop these). Then poke few holes for ventilation, and leave bags sitting over winter. 'Modified' composting...since I don't have enough space for a proper compost heap, bags could be stored even in the shed or garage. I p/u fallen leaves from couple of elderly neighbours too, they have also some different trees - run lawnmower over them - and they get last grass cutting free! The grass clippings help a lot too (I know they don't use any sprays on their lawn).
It does heat up in the bag, and I leave it there until next fall. I have been doing this for many years now (at least 10). And you should see the fat worms in there...
I don't have any black/tar spot on other plants, and so far it doesn't seem to get worse on 1 maple in my yard.

I red a lot about how to get rid of black/tar spot, looks like there isn't much one can do. Fungicide could help some, together with getting rid of all leaves diligently, all the time - apparently in few years it would help. But, you get infection from all other maples in neighbourhood. Luckily, it doesn't kill the tree, just looks 'ugly'.

Maybe others have better suggestions?

Rina

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Thanks, Rina! I'll go ahead and use them.

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Red, you have some great roses as well and some I am going to take a hard look at. Bleu Magenta is one I have been eying up closely. I still might get it.

I haven't done cuttings either so will be my first year, too. I am also going to try chip and T grafting to make a couple tree roses. From what I gather the best time to take cuttings is when the plants are dormant before they start pushing new growth or just as they do. I am also going to try starting some Morden cuttings to use as a root plant that I can graft to. Will be a fun year!.

That is a good idea composting in the bags. I do pretty much the same thing with my ponderosa pine needles. Problem with them is they need a strong wind to come down. Which sometimes doesn't happen till after a snow fall. Like your leaves the brown/green ratio is good enough to produce lots of heat.

Back to job hunting lol.

SCG

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Rina_ don't forget to PM or email me your address so I can send you some seeds. email is filimek AT me DoT com

Red, I forgot to mention it looks like you and I like a lot of the same colours. Since you like orange you should look at 'Easy Does It" supposed to be a showstopper.

Bleu Magenta is still catching my attention. I have a lot of fence and buildings I would like to cover and that rambler would fit it ever so nice. Dang you enabler!

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SCG, you are certainly going to be busy! Sounds awesome. I've been skulking around the propogation forum myself - I'd like to start out trying to root cuttings. Looks like fun!

The tipper for me on Bleu Magenta is its shade tolerance. That and the suggestion that it could be trained up the trunk of a tree! I've got a part-sun bed with a little tree in the middle... I'm thinking of pairing it with the Brothers Grimm in the same bed.

And speaking of enablers - I just added Easy Does It to my spring order! :)

I love the oranges and purples, and the more unusual buff or chocolatey colours as well (Koko Loko, Hot Cocoa). Ever looked at one called Stainless Steel? Amazing looking in pictures! I also tend to be drawn to roses that have different uppers and reverse.

The ones on your list that pique my interest the most are Gruss an Aachen, Easy Does It (Thanks for that!), and Morden Blush...

By the way, isn't GardenWeb WAY more fun than job hunting? ;)

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

The shade tolerance is big for me too. Most of my property is partial shade as there are too many huge trees. I am removing some this year.

Easy Does It is supposed to be an eye catcher. BUT I just heard that it is a temperamental tender thing for our zones. I got it to make tree roses with but might reconsider that. Some say it is cane hardy and others lose it. I think I will see how it makes the first winter before doing anything with it.

Morden Blush is free for me so how can I say no? Just have to dig it up and move it.

Gruss an Aachen while being beautiful has some great history. I believe it is considered, by some, the first floribunda rose.

Quite a few of the roses listed are there because of the fascinating history behind them. While I love HT's bloom shape and all, the "backbone" of my garden I wanted to tell a story of its own. And because these antiques, sometimes often lol, grow a little larger they will be the roses I design my beds around. Then who can discount the fragrance of older roses!!!

Yeah work is over rated but I need to make some Xmas money and to pay for my roses.

Oh, I hear those ramblers love to climb!!! I am building a huge arch for my driveway that I hope to put a couple of Pauls Himalayan musk climbers on.

SCG

    Bookmark   November 18, 2013 at 5:24PM
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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

I'm willing to take a chance on Easy Does It - my yard is a bit of a microclimate (lake effect + wind shelter from neighbours' trees) so I can stretch those zone ratings a bit. And I couldn't resist EDI - the colours alone make it worth a try!

Love that you're using roses with history. I've been doing some research on Gruss an Aachen and its provenance is wonderful! Morden Blush too. Great roses!

    Bookmark   November 20, 2013 at 11:00AM
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I love my outdoor garden with tons and tons of plants but during winter, I rely on my orchids plants. Also I have a terrarium which I have watered once last year. It's still going on strong today.

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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

Hello ianna!

A terrarium - what a great idea! What do you have in it?

Orchids were actually my gateway plant - I was given a beautiful yellow oncidium as a graduation gift years ago. I never had a lot of luck, however; they seemed healthy enough but never, ever rebloomed for me. Is there a secret?

Karen (redwolfdoc)

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Red,

I, too, have a micro climate here and that is the reason for EDI as well. Where it does well, it does it in spades and is a traffic stopper.

The provenance on many of them is so deep and interesting it is intoxicating. Add the beauty and scent and, IMHO, it is a no brainer.

My mom used to grow Orchids but my house is too small and dangerous (for a plant, lol) to attempt them.

Ohh, I told Palatine you were okay with me taking your Bleu Magenta since they are now sold out. Hope that is okay :-)

SCG

    Bookmark   November 20, 2013 at 8:48PM
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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

SCG - No worries about Bleu Magenta, that's cool. I didn't want it that badly anyways. Now, if you'll just be a dear and forward that Gruss an Aachen when it arrives... :)

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Lol. I wish they would get bleu to me. On Gruss I can send you cuttings for spring 2015 or fall 2014. No problem there.

I think Pickering still has Gruss an Aachen, If you can resist.

Work is so far over rated....

SCG

    Bookmark   November 21, 2013 at 8:45PM
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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

I'd better figure out space for the roses I've already got on order (plus two peonies, lol) before ordering anything else!

Tell you what though - come fall 2014 let's trade cuttings! If you can't find Bleu sooner (and I hope you do) I'll send you some for sure.

Work is definitely an annoying distraction from garden-dreaming! I must admit though, I vacillate. Being home with kids can be great, but sometimes I miss working!

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Red, I will make you a deal. If you send pics I will figure out space to plant your new roses including the labour if you reciprocate.

Yes, we need to swap cuttings. Actually it was good I couldn't get bleu, I got Jeanne de Montfort instead, especially since my other moss roses got backordered.

We got zapped with 3 -20C days in a row and there is too much frost to work :( blah....dang work!!!

SCG

    Bookmark   November 23, 2013 at 3:58PM
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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

SCG,

Sorry for the delay - thought I'd actually responded already! Must have been distracted by my children between writing and pushing "submit" LOL.

Your deal is tempting for sure! I'd love a trip out west (got family in Seattle) and also to see your fabulous garden-in-the-making!

Have you ever played with a program called RealTime Landscaping Plus? Lots of fun, and the plant database is good, though you have to upload images of the more specific roses etc. It's not hard to do, happily. Fair warning though - bit of a time-sink! ;)

Jeanne de Montfort is lovely. Good choice!

And yes, we'll make a point to swap cuttings for sure. April? By the way, I've had this lavender climber that hasn't done much of anything for me except not die for three years now. I discovered recently that it isn't what the website I bought it from said it was (I didn't know better three years ago and ordered from one of the big general sites - can't remember which right now, maybe Henry Fields). In any case, I'm pretty certain it's Blue Girl hybrid tea climber. Hardy only to zone 7, which explains it's poor performance for me. If you think you have the microclimate, I'd be happy to trade with you. I put it up on the roses exchange forum too, but I suspect the necessity of getting a phytosanitary certificate to send to the US will inhibit that.

How's work? :)
Red

    Bookmark   November 27, 2013 at 8:19PM
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SCG,

I've been trying to find useful photos of my beds and the truth is I've changed them so much this year that all my photos are obsolete! Imagine: "Here's the front bed, only the centre euonymus and all the daylilies and one of the rhododendrons have been removed, and the boneset and asiatic lilies have been moved and the bed expanded at the corners, and more creeping phlox across the front and two bearded iris zones and two iceberg shrub roses and two sedum plants have been added..."

I've really got to draw up some new maps!

My tentative groupings are as follows: About Face with Julia Child and Hot Cocoa at one end of a long bed along a fence; Wild Blue Yonder with Nantucket, Koko Loko and Bolero at the other end of that same bed. Bleu Magenta close to Brothers Grimm in a partial shade bed in the centre of my yard.
I'm not sure how to place Bull's Eye and Easy Does It.

How many different beds do you have on your property? Obviously it's a lot bigger than mine (oh and I never could get that link to photobucket to work - it kept sending me to my own account).

Red

    Bookmark   November 27, 2013 at 8:52PM
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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Red,

While I'd love blue girl I don't think I can stretch a microclimate to zone 7, possibly 6ish only. Yet if you don't lose it or give it away maybe we can trade cuttings next year.

I have never played with that program but am going to look into it. Sounds like something I could really use. An impulse buyer I am!

LOL, I hear you about the photos of the gardens. The only one that hasn't changed is my part-shade garden as I am letting it mature a bit before I start moving things, oh how it makes me itch!

Don't worry about placement. Of the 40+ roses I have to plant next year I have only figured out where a few will go...rest will be instinctive (read impulsive)

I only have one developed bed that is 45' x 5' that is going to be for roses...the others I will make as I go. They are all going into my backyard which I just put in last summer. It is approximately 80' x 90' and I am hoping most of the new roses will form a border along the fence line of which I can build upon. I am fortunate to have about 5 acres that I can expand on, my pocket book just cringed...

Hope this link works My photo bucket library

Well work again is impeding both my ability to keep my eyes open and the focus to form cohesive sentences.....now self explained. Waiting for my girls to go to sleep doesn't help neither....

Have a great night.

SCG

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rina_

SCG

Great photos, I especially like the one with hummer & a hummingbird moth together - I usually have hummers in the garden but never had chance to se the moth. Lots of other butterflies - no wonder, you have so many flowering plants.
Thank you for sharing.

Rina

    Bookmark   November 27, 2013 at 11:50PM
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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Thanks Rina_ for the compliments. That sphinx moth could have cared less about the hummer but the opposite wasn't true. The hummer tried its best to chase it from the territory. This year I am planting more host plants for sphinx moths in hopes of attracting more.

How many months till spring?

SCG

    Bookmark   November 30, 2013 at 12:27PM
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Hello!

How goes the winter for you? Rina, I hope your move was successful and you didn't suffer unduly during the Christmas ice storm - we were without power for three days, but we survived. SCG, how goes the job hunt? Better yet, how goes the rose garden planning? :)

I'm already tired of waiting for spring, so I decided to try winter sowing... mostly thanks to you, Rina, as you gave me so many nice seeds!

Red

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 10:12PM
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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Hey Red! Glad to see you survived and hope all is well.

I fortunately found a job that should last the winter, thanks for asking. The rosé planning, well, is no farther along. Planning for me usually involves buying a bunch of plants, haphazardly sticking them in the ground and hoping for the best. This is no exception, lol, Although I am starting to think I may have bitten a pretty big piece ordering that many OGRs at once. How many more roses are you getting?

I, too, am tired of winter. To combat the blues I fired up the grow lights and have a couple cucumber, tomatoe, pea and bean plants going with a bunch of lettuce.

Your winter sowing looks great! Something I haven't tried yet. If electricity keeps going up it might be something I have to resort to.

I am Also combatting the winter blues by putting a seed order for this years annuals. Starting them indoors is a great way to keep the mind occupied till spring really shows up.

Have great weekend all

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 11:21PM
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Oh, SCG, I too may have gone overboard on roses! I've learned a heck of a lot so far this winter though! I'm excited to get going on it - but I hope the winter isn't too much longer because my plans keep getting more elaborate the longer I have to think about them! :)

I'm in for:
Shrub: Bull's Eye, Distant Drums, Dragon's Blood, Incantation
Floribunda: Brother's Grimm Fairy Tale, Easy Does It, Koko Loko, Lavender Pinocchio, Pam's Choice, Cinco de Mayo, Blueberry Hill
Grandiflora: Twilight Zone
Hybrid Tea: Nantucket, Butterscotch, Savoy Hotel
Hybrid Multiflora: Bleu Magenta
Moss: Nightmoss
Polyantha: The Fairy, Margo Koster
Hybrid Perpetual: Souvenir du Docteur Jamain
Hybrid Wichurana: Mel's Heritage

As you can see, nearly all modern roses, particularly floribundas. They just suit my city yard. I've got a basic idea for layout for
most of them - involves changing the shape of a couple beds lol - but I think they'll probably be in pots for most of this season. My wallet dictated bands as opposed to gallon roses!

You do have a big job ahead of you, but I for one am looking forward to the pictures! Your property is going to be gorgeous! How many trees do you plan on removing, btw? :)

Red

    Bookmark   January 19, 2014 at 4:23PM
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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

That is a good list you have there, quite a large addition since November lol. It is going to look fabulous. Really going to need some pics of your yard next year!

I am curious to where you found bands really cheap. Most places I looked where the same price if not more than Pickering or Palatine?

This year it looks like I will remove 9 and top a dozen or so, about all I can afford (hopefully) this year as they are all to close to buildings or power lines for me to do myself as I am not insured to fall anymore. Hoping that will be enough for my veggie garden and to give a little more sun to the roses.

Look forward to hearing and seeing more of your plans and yard.

SCG

    Bookmark   January 19, 2014 at 5:51PM
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rina_

Looks great Karen, hope they will all sprout for you. Have to try some ws too, never did before.

I was lucky during the 'big freeze' here in TO, never lost the power. One block north they did, for more than 3days.

You & SCG sound like real experts on roses...All I would like to grow are some to collect rosehips from & make jam and dry some for tea...Rina

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 1:36AM
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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Lol, I am by far an expert. At best, I know how to order them. This year I will go from one rose in the ground to just over 50.

I should have some hips this year and a pile next that you will be welcome to. As well there is lots of native roses around I would be happy to gather hips from for you. Let me know. I can also gather native from last year as they are still hanging, if you would like.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 7:39PM
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rina_

Would plants grow from hips?...that shows you how much I know about roses of any kind!
Rina

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 10:24PM
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LOL SCG, sorry to disappoint but the bands weren't particularly cheap - just slightly more affordable than gallon pots from the same place! I ordered from Palatine, Pickering, and Rogue Valley Roses in Oregon. RVR primarily because they were the only place for a few of the more unusual in my list - I seem to be drawn to odd colours in roses!

Rina, I hope they sprout too! I'm especially looking forward to the beauty berry, columbine and cerinthe you gave me - thank you! Winter sowing seems almost too good to be true, but all reports are good. We shall see! It's a lot of fun to make the "greenhouses," sow the seeds, and watch them get snowed on. I've got lots of hope! Most of my information I've read right here on GW.

I'm pretty sure I qualify as a complete rose newbie! I can safely say I know a lot more about them now than three months ago, BUT, it remains to be seen how I do in practice. I'll be going from 8 to about 30 this year. Crazy, but not as crazy as you, SCG! :)

I'm looking forward to photos of your yards in the spring! Rina, are you starting from ground zero in your new place (so to speak)?

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 8:17PM
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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Red, reason I asked is because Pickering and palatine ship roses that are FAR superior in size to bands. Bands are like seedlings in comparison to what you get from them. A band size pot is 3"x3"x6" deep. Thw bare roots you will get will easily fill a 7gal pot this year.

Only 74 days till my rosé shipment should arrive!! Hoot!! Hoot!!

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 8:49PM
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rina_

Yes Karen...absolutely nothing planted yet. Not one flower bed. It's going to be lots of work, but hopefully I'll live long enough to enjoy it??? But I am sure I'll enjoy working on it too.
I don't want to get too much ahead of myself & start too many seedlings - I have so many potted perennials waiting to be planted somewhere.
But it is very tempting to winter sow.
There is always more pots to pot them up, right?

Rina

    Bookmark   January 22, 2014 at 9:01AM
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I'm just a veggie gardener, (ok, I grow gladiolus in the veggie patch too), so I suspect I do less winter research than flower people.

After cleaning, fertilizing and tilling my patch, I cut wood for next winter's fuel, feed wild birds and red wrigglers, and order seeds for spring. About now, I begin starting some peppers and some flowers for my bride and a friend and setting up for my major seedling planting which isn't far off. In a week or so, it will be time to tap spiles into maples, and start making syrup, (one of my favourite activities in life). By the time the sap stops running, it will be time to do spring maintenance on the tiller and tractor, and start getting dirty again!

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sherylgallant(Kelowna, BC z6)

Out here in the Okanagan, the ground has thawed, drained and I am digging in the dirt! Finally! I winter sewed a LOT of jugs this year since I have so many gardens to plant that were started from scratch last year. Currently I am making a meditation garden with a large raised pond and stone pathway with benches. Lots of digging!

I just finished pruning about 2 dozen small peach trees before the ground thawed enough to garden. Still have all those little pruned sticks to pick up! The work never stops!

My irises are already growing new small green tips!

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rina_

Still cold & snow on ground in Toronto...can you see tiny green sprouts??? hardly, they are so small but growing! Sunny today, and the snowdrops are poking thru in the warmer corner between house & deck.
Forecast still calls for some colder weather. Hopefully, not too much longer.
Rina

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Rina,

It's good to see those sprouts, small though they may be! I haven't got any snowdrops or even crocus - think I'll have to rectify that for next year. A little bit of green sure would be welcome right about now!

I did take a walk around the yard today and found buds forming on the forsythia and the lilacs. As you say - small, but growing!

Karen

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rina_

Karen

I made point of planting snowdrops & they multiply every year, but not invasive at all. End of winter, I start looking for tiny green spikes....then I 'believe' the spring is near.

My yard is still 90% covered in snow. And I can tell there is going to be few wet spots where I never had any.
But birds are singing their spring songs, so that's great.
Otherwise, really no other signs of springs...

BTW, anything starting to grow in your winter-sown jugs? It's probably too early yet.

Rina

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Hello Rider, hello Sheryl!

Rina, nothing in my ws jugs yet. I peered at them today for a good several minutes but could see only dirt. It's too early - I don't really expect anything for another six weeks maybe. I haven't even sown my annuals yet - will do so first week of April.

Yes, my yard is mostly ice and snow as well. Just starting to see cold, soggy ground around the edges. Like everyone else around here, I'm mighty tired of winter! But... bird song and temperatures that were actually above zero today helped a lot. My kids got their bikes out after school!

I'm jealous of you folks who can start digging! :)

Karen

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Hung pails on 460 spyles today. Lotsa snow to wade through; but it'll start melting pretty well in about a week if the forecasts are right...

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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

Hey ya all!!!

I, too, am totally over winter. Spring has come and gone so many times this year it is hard on us. One week it will be +12C then the following -18. I was excited all week that I would be able to rake my lawn this weekend but old man winter threw me a curve ball and froze everything solid, yet again....

I have sown some of the slower growing/flowering annuals, like viola, marigold, lobelia.... as well as some perennials in hopes of first year blooms. I am fighting the urge to sow the rest as it is a touch early but it is sooooo hard on days like this.

I actually amazed myself last weekend and drew up a planting plan for my bare root rose orders, it is so unlike me. I usually impulse buy then without thought or reason impulse plant.

Are any of you making any radical changes in gardens or annual choices?

SCG

    Bookmark   March 22, 2014 at 3:38PM
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Only big change for me is starting wave petunias for the bride. Haven't been able to find seed for a wave variety in the past; but stumbled on some in Canadian Tire the other day.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2014 at 9:57PM
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rina_

Yay, there is hope for spring...tiny white buds of snowdrops are peeking thru, but rest of the yard is still under snow. Hope today's sun will take care of some, it is S-facing yard!
Can't see much more ready to grow yet.

Rina

    Bookmark   March 23, 2014 at 10:24AM
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SouthCountryGuy Zone 4b-5 SE BC(Zone 4b-5 SE BC Canada)

justanotherider, wave petunia seeds are readily available from companies like Stokes seeds. Sometimes they are called other names, Super Petunia's comes to mind. They are quite pricey, however.

Rina, those look great! Next year I am going to most certainly have some galanthus and crocus in my yard.

Here is to spring. My two mutts enjoying some sunshine this morning.

Have a great day all.

SCG

    Bookmark   March 23, 2014 at 1:22PM
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