Clematis and California?

wanttogarden(USDA 9b, Sunset 15, N. Calif.)February 20, 2009

I was told by a nursery person here that Clematis and Hostas are East Coast plants and will not do well here in Northern California.

Is it true? I just bought about 20 clematises and hostas in fall :-(

FJ

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gardengal48

LOT'S of gardeners grow clematis in California, even down into zone 10 SoCal (but mostly the milder coastal areas). You shouldn't have any trouble in San Jose but may want to be careful siting so that they are in at least part shade during the hottest part of the day. And providing sufficient water will be critical.

Hostas and a lot of other common hardy perennials do require a winter dormancy period that can make them a bit problematic in areas that don't have a very pronounced winter. But again, zone 9 is not that far different from my own 8b and hostas grow here fine. And there's a heck of lot of nurseries in California - especially northern California - that offer both these plants.

"East Coast plants" - ROFL!! I'm about as far away from the east coast as you can get and still be in the continental US and both plants grow like crazy here. Your nurseryman is nuts.....or just doesn't know what he's talking about. I suspect the latter, as there's 3 species of Clematis that are native to California!!

Here is a link that might be useful: Hostas for warm climates

    Bookmark   February 20, 2009 at 7:12PM
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stevebrickley

FJ, I live in Redwood City, CA and grow probably 30 different Clematis and a handful of Hosta. I disagree with the nursery person, completely.

    Bookmark   February 21, 2009 at 5:46PM
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nckvilledudes(7a NC)

Sounds like your nurseryman doesn't sell clematis and doesn't know a bit about where they can grow. There are plenty of members in the American Clematis Society who live in California and grow them with no issues.

    Bookmark   February 22, 2009 at 2:30PM
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wanttogarden(USDA 9b, Sunset 15, N. Calif.)

Thanks guys. It makes me feel more confident planting them rather than tossing them out.

FJ

    Bookmark   February 22, 2009 at 3:08PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Does this answer your question?

    Bookmark   February 28, 2009 at 5:32PM
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julieiwuc

Hoovb, that is beautiful! Where do you live? I'm in So. Cal too.

Julie

    Bookmark   March 4, 2009 at 8:37PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Hi Julie I'm in Orange County.

    Bookmark   March 7, 2009 at 12:09AM
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jeanne_texas(Z 8B TX)

Hoov..absolutely stunning my dear..what a sight for sore eyes that are missing my clems!!..Wantto...I think your Nursery person is like most here in Texas..Clematis grow beautifully here but are not common so they don't carry them..they hate getting "Stuck" with the plants and above all they don't know the information to instruct their buyers on how to grow them in their climate...and unfortunately without knowing the newbie can easily allow them to die for lack of watering in warmer zones..There is a guy I know in Phoenix who is growing them in morning sun and afternoon shade but is adamant about watering them almost daily..Jeanne

    Bookmark   March 8, 2009 at 9:39AM
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wanda(Z9 CA)

I'm in San Jose and I've been growing Clems (over 80 of them) for several years and they grow just fine. You just need to keep them very well watered.

Beautiful, Hoovb!

wanda

    Bookmark   March 8, 2009 at 10:59AM
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mctavish6

hoovb, Your clematis picture is really beautiful. I see you live in Orange County. I grew up in Garden Grove. I've lived in Canada for the last 35 years but my memories of gardens in So. Calif. were few and far between. Most people loved clipped evergreens and things that were easy. Your garden must be beautiful.

Good luck to anyone who wants to grow hostas. That has become my main passion plant wise up here in zone 4/5. As long as they have enough water, the sun is not as much of a deterant as lack of winter dormancy.

    Bookmark   March 8, 2009 at 12:43PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Yes, that's true--hostas are annuals here.

    Bookmark   March 9, 2009 at 6:17PM
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gardengal48

Sorry, but that's not exactly true - hostas DO grow in SoCal as perennials. My sister has them in her Laguna Beach garden. Even Sunset's Western Gardening Book recommends them, although they might not be as long lived as they would be in colder climates. And see the link I attached earlier.

    Bookmark   March 9, 2009 at 9:30PM
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gardengal48

It is not a well-known fact that the American Clematis Society was orginally founded in 1996 as the Southern California Clematis Society :-) Perhaps we should send this info to wannttogarden's misinformed nurseryperson.......just think of how they could increase their sales if they offered those unreliable "east coast" plants as well?? LOL!!

Here is a link that might be useful: Am. Clematis Society

    Bookmark   March 12, 2009 at 10:25AM
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nckvilledudes(7a NC)

Didn't know that tidbit of info Pam, but I am not surprised since the mailing address of the organization is Irvine, CA which is about as southern California as it comes! LOL

    Bookmark   March 12, 2009 at 4:33PM
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valeriecg(USDAz 5,CO)

Are you concerned about the cold factor or the heat factor? Well obviously not the cold factor in zone 9 I guess. :) Here in zone 5 I grow both hostas and clematis, and many varieties of both! I just make sure I have them planted in an area that suits their needs, the hostas in shade with ample moisture and the clematis in sun, feet cooled with mulch and again plenty of water. With our clay soil I must do a lot of soil amending for these plants, but since they are in the top of my plant favorites, I will do whatever it takes! Happy Gardening

    Bookmark   March 15, 2009 at 5:24PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

hostas DO grow in SoCal as perennials. My sister has them in her Laguna Beach garden. Even Sunset's Western Gardening Book recommends them

I stand corrected then...I checked my SWGB, and it says "some succeed" in 22-24. However I can't imagine that they have the magnificence of the ones in the midwest, east, and south, where there is summer rain and they are glorious.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 12:02AM
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terryfic

I am moving from NJ to Ojai, CA next month. It is zone 8b. I found this thread when searching for hosta and California, since I dearly love my big-leafed hostas.

It's a long shot, but has anyone been able to grow peonies in So Ca, or do they need a truly frozen winter? How about other perennials that are common in other parts of the country? I'm thinking phlox, spiderwort, astilbe, daylilies, iris, stokesia, liatris, echinacea (coneflower). There's still time to dig up some of these.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2011 at 12:10PM
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bob414(USDA 9, Sunset 15)

Peonies, clematis, hostas, daylilies, iris and echinacea have done well for me in zone 9 in the S.F. Bay Area. I haven't tried the others on your list.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2011 at 12:59PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

You might have better answers on the California Gardening forum rather than the Clematis forum. :)

    Bookmark   August 17, 2011 at 7:23PM
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