Need some help ID this one

Julia NY(6)March 2, 2012

I think I may have asked about this one but failed to write down what the suggestions were.

It doesn't appear to get very tall each year...maybe 3+ feet. It has been here many years but I neglected it. It blooms late June or early July from the dates on my photos.

I'm just trying to figure out what pruning to do on it. Last year I cut it down all the way so I could get the old trellis out and get the new trellis in place. I noticed it bloomed very darker when I did that but prior years it was more purplish like the first 2 photos.

This is a pic from 2009

Pic from 2010

Pic from 2011

It darkened quite a bit from the prior years.

Any suggestions?

Julia

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bob414(USDA 9, Sunset 15)

If it was from just the bottom picture and the fact that it doesn't get very tall I would guess Niobe. The top two look like so many different ones that I wouldn't even guess.

    Bookmark   March 2, 2012 at 8:11PM
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Julia NY(6)

Thanks for the suggestion.
Would Niobe be that short?

    Bookmark   March 3, 2012 at 4:28PM
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bob414(USDA 9, Sunset 15)

Clematis on the Web says it grows about 7 - 10 feet. I have one that grows to about 7'. Others say it is shorter for them.

    Bookmark   March 3, 2012 at 8:52PM
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NHBabs z4b-5a NH(4b-5aNH)

My Niobe doesn't get much taller than 4 feet or so, but it's in a spot that's too dry I think. It certainly isn't happy. I agree that the third photo looks a lot like Niobe, but mine has always been that dark red, never the more purple-red.

    Bookmark   March 3, 2012 at 9:55PM
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roseberri, z6(6)

hi! I'm certainly not an expert, but I do have 12 clematis, and I have had Niobe for about 6-7 years,like nhbabs it never gets very tall, but even in full day sun it is more red that purply for me. Could you possibly have two clematis there?(by the way the bottom picture does look like Niobe)

    Bookmark   March 4, 2012 at 1:33PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

My Niobe has never reached 7' and it has always been purple like the top two pictures for me.

    Bookmark   March 4, 2012 at 4:31PM
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Julia NY(6)

I only saw the darker version this year. I wish I had taken digital photos from prior years instead of the film prints.

Should I leave it alone this year or go ahead and cut it back again perhaps down to 12 inches from the ground (it isn't tall anyway)?

I need to get some info on group 2's and how to prune them versus cutting them all the way down.
The group 2's I got last year I already cut them back last week as they will only be here for their second season and from what I understand they need at least 3 years to show their stuff. Right?

Julia

    Bookmark   March 4, 2012 at 6:29PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

Cut it back.

Hard pruning helps Clematis, it never hurts them especially when they are newly planted.

    Bookmark   March 13, 2012 at 3:08PM
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Julia NY(6)

This one isn't new. It has been here several years which may mean over 5+. I'm going to trim it this year and just see what happens. I'm thinking of planting something else with it just so there is something growing to the top of the trellis. This clematis always stays short.

Julia

    Bookmark   March 13, 2012 at 4:58PM
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wieslaw59

My Niobe opens like the flower on the picture 3, but after several days in sunny position it turns more purple like on the picture 1. 10 feet?? Never. 3-4 feet at the best.

    Bookmark   April 6, 2012 at 4:36PM
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