Japanese Citrus - Sudachi or Kabosu

citrusboyMarch 20, 2006

Hi, I am wanting to add these two trees to my citrus collection and I can't seem to find any trees let alone any seeds.

Can anyone help with a source for:

A: Fruit. so I can get the seeds

B: Japanese Nursery that may have the tree

C: Seeds. Tradewindsfruit.com has none

Thanks

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joereal(Ca z9/SS z14)

Have you tried budding?

I just have budded Sudachi last fall and they are springing up since late winter this year. Perhaps by fall this year they will have harvestable budwoods.

I got budwoods from UCR.

It is quite easy to bud citruses. To prove my point, I currently own a 30-in-1 citrus tree, all T-budded together. Hopefully it will become a 40 cultivar tree within a month's time, just budded 10 more this year unto it. 19 of the 30 existing cultivars have flower buds at the moment.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 12:58PM
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bencelest(z9 CA)

I am beginning to think that Japanese citrus and pome plants are more to my liking such as my Fuyo persimmons, fuji apples, Satsuma plum and now japanese citrus but I have not taste the fruit of an orange or mandarin yet. I imagine they are as good or better.
Are they a keeper?
If so save a scion for me Joe this Fall. What about a Rio something which is a Japanese plum or peach which is on sale now at Home Depot?
I must have taste them while I was in Japan during my Navy days but that was a long time ago. I remember seeing a lot of them in the market place or store but that was not in my mind during those times. I was nineteen.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 1:18PM
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joereal(Ca z9/SS z14)

Satsumas are all of Japanese origins. Even the mandarin hybrids (Yosemite Gold, Shasta gold, Tahoe Gold and Gold Nugget) from UCR are to some extent have Japanese citrus parentage. As to being a good keeper, the UCR hybrids are better than the original Japanese citruses.

Sudachis are very good for exotic cuisines. Sudachi sauce is expensive and for sure you can't make one without a real sudachi fruit. I budded the Sudachi unto my Meyer lemon trees, on top of the canopy. It protects the Meyer lemons from very cold frosty nights. Sudachis are very cold tolerant. I had a big branch of Sudachi getting along this winter but then the strong winds knocked down the laurel tree of my neighbor and fell and cut off the big sudachi branch. Now it is resprouting from where it was broken off. I will also try to graft some Sudachi as well as Yuzu unto my 8-in-1 lemon and lime tree. Sudachi and Yuzu are very cold tolerant but Sudachi is even more cold tolerant than Yuzu.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 1:44PM
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joereal(Ca z9/SS z14)

Benny, when you come over to visit or when I come over to your place to visit before the fall, I will snip off some budwoods that you like from any of my more than 60 cultivars of citruses.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 2:00PM
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bencelest(z9 CA)

Wow! Joe, you are Da Man!

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 2:19PM
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rickjames(9 Cali)

I've seen sudachi fruit, as well as yuzu fruit, for sale at Marukai in ?Gardena/Torrance. You can sometimes find at at Japanese markets--I've also seen it at Mitsuwa here in N. CA, but there is also a location in W. LA I think. Is the season over though?

I'd love to get my hands on a sudachi tree as well. I will have to try grafting.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 2:59PM
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bencelest(z9 CA)

Rickjames:
Are the fruits a keeper?

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 4:22PM
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joereal(Ca z9/SS z14)

I think I have read that there is a ritual of some sort to harvest the Sudachi fruits at exactly the right time then store it at certain temperature in order to achieve and preserve the taste the longest. I would say ritual because I haven't found scientific reasons why it should be that way. If you simply want to use the Sudachi like a lemonade, I think it can stay on the tree as long as lemons.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 5:03PM
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bencelest(z9 CA)

So it taste like a lemon? My imagination took me to the world of Mandarin where Sudachi would taste like sweet mandarin. I don't know where I got that idea. I think the name implies that. Like Lychee or soda.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 5:10PM
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joereal(Ca z9/SS z14)

Precisely like aromatic lemon. Far from sweet, more like pleasant bittersour as opposed to bittersweet. They are good candidates to be grafted to my multi-grafted lem-o-lime tree, that and Yuzu as well. I would class them all as face-disfiguring fruits when eaten fresh off the tree.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 5:23PM
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citrusboy

Thanks JoeReal! 30 in 1?! Crazy and Amazing at the same time. Thanks for you UCR Idea. They are releasing Sadachi budwood in June and I am now on the mailing list. The Kabosu tree they have had since '84 but are apparently not releasing budwood. (hmm why is that!) I will ask again.. At that time I will attempt to graft to a Flying dragon Rootstock while my wife stands by ready to dial 911 when I cut my finger off...

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 5:28PM
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rickjames(9 Cali)

bencelest,
nevermind your question got answered :) ...The fruit I have seen is small, ping-pong ball in size, yellow, and smells nice when scratched, smooth skin and not a bumpy citrus. Sour, used for flavoring like you would a lemon or lime, I recall it as just sour and not bitter(I've only had it once). And pricey. Like more than a dollar a piece for a dinky fruit.

Do you guys plan to order budwood together en masse again? There are a few that I'd like to get, but I just want a few sticks...beside these Japanese citrus I have a thing for those acidless ones.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 6:05PM
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joereal(Ca z9/SS z14)

As long as you are in California and not in the Kern County, we can order together.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 6:17PM
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rickjames(9 Cali)

Cool! I'm in the Bay Area...when does this usually occur?
TIA.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 9:42PM
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joereal(Ca z9/SS z14)

If you email me by following the garden web links, I can add you to the list. I usually will collect everyone's wish list and then mix and match. I announce it via email as soon as I get the new listing mailed to me then finalize it 2 weeks before the deadline.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2006 at 10:15PM
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fragrantgardener01

Was just browsing sudachi citrus and found this link. Seller in Los Altos, CA, near Palo Alto, 1/2 hr south of San Francisco

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/grd/1063036934.html

FG

    Bookmark   March 8, 2009 at 11:35PM
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