Echeveria(?) ID

greenman28 NorCal 7b/8aAugust 22, 2011

Good morning, GardenWebbers!

I have an ID for you, and I'm sure it shouldn't prove too difficult, since this type of

"Hen and Chick" is very common (at least it is around here). Anyhow, this is a friend's

plant. He just moved from a mild weathered 1,200 foot elevation area to a cold 2,400 foot

elevation property. I keep telling him the plant is going to freeze during the winter....

Hopefully you can help us out. It looks like an Echeveria to me, but I've been wrong before!

Much appreciated!

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paracelsus

Echeveria? Yes.

Species: probably Echevera imbricata

Do you have a flower pic?

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 1:02PM
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paracelsus

All of my Echeveria, in pots and in the ground, survived 5 nights of temps in the mid-twenties F during the Great Freeze of 2007 without damage. I wouldn't worry too much unless temps stayed below freezing all day long.

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 1:10PM
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cactusmcharris

Brad,

How is Josh's different from E. elegans?

Thanks,

Jeff

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 1:43PM
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paracelsus

San Marcos Growers notes that imbricata is one if the hardiest Echeveria, citing hardiness to 20-25F. Mine have survived lows of 25F.

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 1:49PM
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paracelsus

Jeff, imbricata is much larger than elegans, and the flower colors are different. E. elegans has red flowers with yellow tips, and imbricata sports pink flowers with yellow tips. I have them beside each in the ground, and the most obvious difference without flowers is rosette size. 'Imbricata' can have 10-12 inch diameter rosettes. Poking around a bit, I see that 'Imbricata' is a cultivar, not a species. It is E. glauca X E. gibbiflora 'Mettalica'.

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 2:10PM
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paracelsus

I dropped a 0 and the page went to another plant altogether. Here is Echeveria 'Imbricata' at San Marcos Growers, I hope. :-)

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 2:19PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Thanks, gentlemen!

Brad, I don't have a flower pic, unfortunately.
From memory, the flowers were indeed a pinkish color with yellow tips.
E. 'Imbricata' (E. glauca x E. gibbiflora 'Mettalica') it shall be.

Now...when best to plant some these out?

Josh

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 3:16PM
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cactusmcharris

Josh,

Now is a good time (trusting most of your hot weather has passed). Remember, in California there's no parking on the dance floor.

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 3:31PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

I'd thought E. elegans as well.

I'd love to see pix of the two mentioned side by side sometime pls. Para if that were possible.

I just love the form of these rosettes, their proportion, spacing btwn the leaves, so cup-like, coming to the graceful point, it's just impeccable design by nature!

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 9:29PM
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cactusmcharris

Brad,

I'd like to see those, too, if we may.

Karen,

I agree with you about the design - the stereotypical succulent rosette pulled off perfectly.

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 10:21PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Jeff,
August and September are two of our hottest months, now that the soil has been heated all summer.
The red dirt is baked hard without a hope of rain 'til November. October might be good planting.

I'm going to beg a chick for my own hen-housing...who knows, it might not totally freeze here?
We only have a few nights a year when the temps drop below 20F....

Karen, I've done a google image search to compare E. elegans and E. 'Imbricata.'
The elegans has seemingly thick, chubby leaves. The 'Imbricata' has the thinner, sharper leaves
and the perfect rosette. I'd have to say that the pic I posted matches better with 'Imbricata.'

Josh

    Bookmark   August 23, 2011 at 12:29PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

It looks like imbricata more than elegans to me, but the flower will tell you for sure.

    Bookmark   August 25, 2011 at 3:30PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Indeed, pink flowers with yellow insides/tips....
I'll post a pic tomorrow.

Josh

    Bookmark   September 20, 2011 at 1:46AM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

And here we have it....

Josh

    Bookmark   September 20, 2011 at 6:15PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Now I have my own little chick rooted and growing....
So far so good, outdoors without any protection from the cold. Good thing, too, since there's no room at the Inn.

About two inches across....

Josh

    Bookmark   December 14, 2011 at 10:35AM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Nice Josh,

Such a handsome little fellow, perfection in rosette form.

I wish I had enough sun to grow these here in NYC, but to date, my experience w/ Ech here (indoors only) is they get rather leggy.

Oh well, I'll have to love yours from afar!

    Bookmark   December 14, 2011 at 12:55PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Thanks, Karen!

The friends who gave me this cutting have taken their pots indoors for the winter,
whereas I've left this little chick outdoors. The plants at my friends' house are tall
and leggy and looking absolutely awful. I think this'll convince them to plant outside.

Josh

    Bookmark   December 14, 2011 at 1:37PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Blooming more profusely this year :-)
I attempted a few shots of the hummingbirds...but they didn't turn out.

Josh

    Bookmark   June 19, 2013 at 3:58PM
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rosemariero(Z9 SW SUNDiegoCA)

What a BEAUTIFUL plant, Josh!

So, you never got an ID on it back in 2011? Looks like Echeveria 'Imbricata' to me.

    Bookmark   June 19, 2013 at 4:25PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Hehe, thanks Rosemarie! ;-)
Yeah, I got the ID...I just didn't want to start a new Thread...although I ought to get the previous pics fixed for posterity!

The next step will be rooting the chicks in the empty pockets to fill this strawberry pot. By next season, there's no reason we should be seeing any terra cotta at all!

My buddy brought these indoors over the Winter...they took a couple frosts that did not agree well! Now they're back up to muster.

My own cutting blew off the back deck in a storm, and I wasn't able to find where it went. So I'll be starting another soon.

Josh

    Bookmark   June 19, 2013 at 4:48PM
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