Huldine - define vigorous for a newbie please

gala522May 19, 2009

I've read posts that refer to Huldine as vigorous. I haven't grown clematis before so I don't have a good frame of reference for how much space a vigorous clematis will need. I have a 40" wide by 72" tall trellis. I had planned to combine Huldine and Venosa Violacea. Will that be enough space for these two clematis?

I also considered combining Huldine with Duchess of Albany. Are there any advantages to that pairing over Huldine and Venosa Violacea?

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Correction - The trellis is 60" wide by 72" tall.

    Bookmark   May 19, 2009 at 7:36PM
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jeanne_texas(Z 8B TX)

I would think "Huldine" and "VV" would make a great pairing and contrast..especially with the white bars on "VV" ..Vigorous in my opinion is one that sends up alotta new shoots from the ground..grows like a weed and blooms its head off..LOL...I think your Trellis could easily use those two clematis and would look fantastic..Jeanne

    Bookmark   May 20, 2009 at 8:30AM
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opheliathornvt zone 5

Boy, I don't know. My VV is new and not too tall yet, but my Huldine climbs to the top of a crabapple tree (maybe 12') and this year is putting out 12 to 15 shoots. I think it might overwhelm the VV, and it will certainly want to grow taller than the trellis. I've never tried to keep a clem to only a certain height, so can't offer advice about that. Might it climb up one side of the trellis and fall down the other? I do agree that the two would look fantastic together. My VV is one of my favorites.

    Bookmark   May 20, 2009 at 10:01AM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

I agree that they would look great together but 72" is only 6 feet tall.

I have Venosa Violacea on an 9 foot trellis and it reached the top in it's first year with pinching and cutting back. Second year it trailed halfway back down and I'm scared for this year.

It is my understanding that Huldine is a bigger grower than VV so I'd be concerned with a 6' trellis even in your zone.

    Bookmark   May 20, 2009 at 12:18PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

Clematis on the Web says Huldine's growth is 2.5 to 6 meters which would be in a single season since she is hard prune.

They have 2 to 4 meters for Venosa Violacea.

They are outstanding Clematis, and you certainly can try them and I would. Just be prepared to make the trellis bigger. :)

    Bookmark   May 20, 2009 at 12:29PM
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Thanks so much for your feedback. I'm going to try it. I've ordered a small Huldine from Bluestone and will buy a gallon-sized VV from a local nursery. Hopefully that will allow VV to hold her own with Huldine while they're getting established.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2009 at 4:16PM
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