How do you pronounce Thuja?

greenlarry(UK 8/9)January 6, 2011

Hmmm I'm presuming its Thoy ah? Certainly cant be Thoo ja can it?

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cryptomeria

It's latin, so I think it must be Too ja.

Wolfgang

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 8:48AM
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dcsteg(5 Shawnee, KS.)

American Heritage Dictionary:
thu�ja

Dave

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 8:50AM
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greenlarry(UK 8/9)

Too jar, hmm

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 8:53AM
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botann(z8 SEof Seattle)

I have always heard it pronounced 'Thew-ya'.
Mike

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 9:35AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

R-bore-vie-tay

jeez ...

ken

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 9:38AM
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dcsteg(5 Shawnee, KS.)

I'll try again: Should be thu-ja. GW is responsible for the screw up thu�ja

Here is a link that might be useful: thuja

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 9:43AM
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cryptomeria

Too-ja

the oo spoken like in poor

Wolfgang

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 9:43AM
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pineresin

It's actually from Ancient Greek øÃÂïñ, not Latin. So "thoo-ya" (not 'too-', nor '-ja').

The name originally referred to a scented wood from northern Africa used for incense, probably Tetraclinis articulata.

Resin

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 9:48AM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Yep, Thoo-ya

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 11:57AM
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duluthinbloomz4

I agree on the "thoo ya", but most garden centers (at least those that understand there are muggos, crabby ap-pells, etc.) would steer you in the right direction if you asked for thew-ja.

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 1:00PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

but if you shop at the bigboxstore.. you better go with ..

WHERE ARE THE ARBS????

are you guys ignoring my humor???

ken

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 1:57PM
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greenlarry(UK 8/9)

Bored ken? ;)

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 2:18PM
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pineresin

"R-bore-vie-tay

jeez ..."

Well, R-bore-vit-ay

Is 'Jeez' a Thuja cultivar? ;-)

Resin

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 2:58PM
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tunilla

Larry,go back to that Garden-centre and ask them if they got a Pinus... T.

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 3:04PM
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bernd ny zone5

I did not know that the ancient Romans and Greeks spoke their language with an American English accent. But I should have known because the actors in those US movies about life and war in ancient times spoke that way.

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 7:11PM
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pineresin

They didn't, they used a British English accent ;-)

Actually, more realistically, the Romans used a German accent - Latin Caesar was pronounced about the same as German Kaiser.

Resin

    Bookmark   January 6, 2011 at 7:39PM
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greenlarry(UK 8/9)

Could have fun here:
Cupressocyparis?
Cup ress o SIP a riss

    Bookmark   January 7, 2011 at 4:16AM
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pineresin

No need to, since it is a defunct name!

But for the record, "kup-resso-kipe-a-riss"

Resin

    Bookmark   January 7, 2011 at 4:51AM
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tunilla

Sorry,I just couldn't help thinking of Mr.Bean walking into a garden centre hahaha ! T.

    Bookmark   January 7, 2011 at 3:27PM
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pineresin

That'd be "vikky-a fa ba" or maybe "fazzy olus vul-gar-us"

;-)

    Bookmark   January 7, 2011 at 4:28PM
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greenlarry(UK 8/9)

Resin: cupressocyparis a defunct name? (Should actually be x Cupressocyparis)

    Bookmark   January 8, 2011 at 5:50AM
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pineresin

Yep - Nootka Cypress is now (following genetic analysis) classified as Cupressus nootkatensis (not in Chamaecyparis any more). That means both parents of Leyland Cypress are in the same genus, so the hybrid is also now named Cupressus ÃÂ leylandii.

Resin

    Bookmark   January 8, 2011 at 6:19AM
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blue_yew(Z9 Devon UK)

Or maybe X xanthocupressus

x xanthocupressus leylandii
x xanthocupressus notabilis
x xanthocupressus ovensii

Xanthocyparis does not fit well into cupressus Chris Page
was right with the generic name Xanthocyparis.If two genera
are closely related they can hybridise.Yes the name
X cupressocyparis should be ditched.

    Bookmark   January 8, 2011 at 6:26AM
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pineresin

"Xanthocyparis does not fit well into cupressus"

Actually, it does; it is nested within it (i.e., treating "Xanthocyparis" separately leaves Cupressus paraphyletic: some Cupressus are more closely related to "Xanthocyparis" than they are to other Cupressus). See Mao et al., New Phytologist 188 (1): 254-272 (2010). So Xanthocyparis needs to be ditched as well.

Resin

    Bookmark   January 8, 2011 at 7:20AM
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greenlarry(UK 8/9)

So the Leylandii is now genuinely a Leyland Cypress!

    Bookmark   January 9, 2011 at 4:49AM
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tunilla

Let's plant some more!!! T.

    Bookmark   January 9, 2011 at 3:18PM
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greenlarry(UK 8/9)

Kam ay kipper iss
Krip to meer ear
Soo dough soo gah
metta sek oy a glip toe strobe oy dees
A raw care ear

    Bookmark   January 9, 2011 at 3:27PM
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rosefolly

Most people pronounce botanical Latin as Latin Vulgate, or Catholic Church Latin. The classical Latin of ancient Romans was pronounced differently. For example, the Latin vulgate pronunciation for maple (acer) would be a-ser but it would be a-ker in classical Latin. I have never heard anyone pronounce it a-ker.

I have been puzzling over Thuja myself. I've been pronouncing it as thu-ja, but a nurseryman recently called it thu-ya when speaking to me. I was quite surprised. I thought he was mispronouncing it by giving it a Spanish pronunciation, especially since the online American Heritage Dictionary distinctly says thu-ja. But if it is a word of Greek origin, perhaps he was right, and the dictionary and I are both wrong.

It does seem to be a point of much confusion. You could probably get away with either pronunciation.

Rosefolly

    Bookmark   January 25, 2013 at 7:36PM
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pineresin

"Most people pronounce botanical Latin as Latin Vulgate, or Catholic Church Latin"

Not sure that's true. William T Stearn, author of the standard work Botanical Latin, recommends Classical Latin pronunciation as the most likely to be understood.

"I have never heard anyone pronounce it a-ker"

Actually "Ak-air", which is how I pronounce Acer ;-)

Resin

    Bookmark   January 25, 2013 at 7:58PM
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glaciers_end(8WA)

pronounciation of this stuff is very important to me and I take pride and trying to do it the best I can.

Thank you, my mind has just been blown. LOL

~Dave

    Bookmark   January 25, 2013 at 8:14PM
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jimbobfeeny(5a IN)

I say "MAY-pull".

On another note, which syllable(s) do you emphasize?

-tack-SOH-dee-um

-tack-soh-DEE-um
and so on

Just to prolong the discussion and make it even more difficult..

    Bookmark   January 25, 2013 at 8:15PM
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drdna(4b)

"Win-GAR-dium levi-O-sa"

Dan

    Bookmark   January 25, 2013 at 11:38PM
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maple_grove_gw

The discussion reminds me of a story from my grad school days. One of the professors was an Asian fellow named Dr. Hu. When he first introduced himself he pronounced his name "Dr. Hugh", and that was how I subsequently referred to him. One day when talking about him with several of the other students, I was asked why I said his name that way since everyone else pronounced his name "Dr. Who". When I replied that that was how he himself pronounced his name so it had to be correct, I was informed that he only said it that way because of his accent. I thought this was a very funny statement but the other student was in earnest, the implication being that since I do not speak with a Chinese accent I should say the name the right way, "Dr. Hu". To this day, it still makes me chuckle to think of the student who believed that Dr. Hu prounced his own name wrong.

Alex

    Bookmark   January 28, 2013 at 10:39AM
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pineresin

Maybe Dr. Hu mispronounced his name deliberately so people wouldn't think he was a Time Lord?

;-)

    Bookmark   January 29, 2013 at 7:07PM
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dlbk(6a)

I was looking at a nootkatensis at a nursery last week, labeled as Chamaecyparis. Wouldn't a nursery be aware of the name change to Cupressus, 3+ years later?

I tend to be a bit fanatical about pronoucing the latin correctly and always heard 'Chamaecyparis' pronounced: 'Kam ee SIPP a ris' as opposed to 'Kam ay kipper iss'. There's an audio @ the hort.uconn.edu site that also pronounces it like the former. Perhaps both ways are correct? Never a dull moment when it comes to linguistics.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 3:44AM
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unprofessional(5)

On our first date, my wife called me out on pronouncing Clematis incorrectly. Figured I might as well keep her around after that.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 6:33AM
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hairmetal4ever(Z7 MD)

I have a habit of saying things incorrectly...that comes from reading a lot more than I listen. In other words, I see a lot of words in print, that I cannot recall ever having heard them pronounced by someone.

Then someone, usually my wife, eventually corrects me. I guess I need to get out more.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 11:11PM
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davesconifers

LInk

Here is a link that might be useful: Thuja

    Bookmark   June 1, 2014 at 1:09PM
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pineresin

"I was looking at a nootkatensis at a nursery last week, labeled as Chamaecyparis. Wouldn't a nursery be aware of the name change to Cupressus, 3+ years later?"

Regrettably, not necessarily. It commonly takes the nursery industry anything from 20-50 years to catch up with the results of botanical research. Basically, it seems you have to wait for the old-timers to retire and be replaced by new staff at the top.

Resin

    Bookmark   June 1, 2014 at 7:27PM
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