Plants for Joshua Tree area?

dimitrig(SoCal z10a/21)September 21, 2012

I have been growing many varieties of cactus and succulents with success at my house in Pasadena, California.

Recently, I bought a vacation home near Joshua Tree National Park at about 3300 feet elevation. The native desert is mostly small Joshua trees and other yuccas, mesquite, creosote, pencil cholla, and teddy bear cholla. I see that some of my neighbors are having success with saguaro, palo verde, purple opuntia, ocotillo, acacia, and cottonwood even though I don't see any of those growing natively.

The soil is very rocky with lots of volcanic rocks interspersed with deep sand.

I do not intend to irrigate very much, but I am curious how the list of plants might expand if I install a drip system. Right now I water deeply by hand every 2-3 weeks to keep plants like oleander (previous owner planted) alive.

What other plants might I have success with in this region? My nursery says golden barrel cactus, most opuntias, and maybe some agaves. They say to forget most succulents and that a rule of thumb is "spiny."

I would be interested in growing California poppy, English lavender, hollyhocks, and olives in addition to cactus. I am trying to explore all of my options. The high is 100 degrees every day in summer and 60 degrees in the winter. It does snow on occasion and the nursery said that is really what will limit my options more than the heat.

I would appreciate any ideas.

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Congratulations on buying a house there! I sure wish we could...
My family goes off to joshua tree maybe 2-3 times a year. And we did go hiking in 114 before :P

Have you really never seen ocotillo there? In joshua tree national park, there is patches full of nice mature specimens, probably 15'+. Ive also seen giant red barrels, and mammillarias around there. Ive also seen acacia growing wild, here and there. There is also giant patches full of very large golden cholla, maybe around 7 feet tall.

    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 1:26AM
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dimitrig(SoCal z10a/21)

Yes, I have seen ocotillo in JT, but there is none growing wild in my immediate microclimate.

    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 4:17AM
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wantonamara Z8 CenTex

Opuntia are a large genus. Maybe some arborial opuntias that can take some feeze. O cochinellifera and O. leucotricha can take some frost and are water tolerant in the cold , I think. They might need more drips in the summer. Every 3 weeks is sufficient . but get that drip system so one isn't watering your whole vacation. There are so many cool opuntias. I have 68 varieties. Cylindropuntias are really cool too. I habve never been to the JT areas but I know they are native to Southern California and Arizona. Cylindropuntia Fulgida will add some height. Jumping choll does cool things by glimmering in the light.

How cold does it get on the winter nights?

    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 9:57AM
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dimitrig(SoCal z10a/21)

Winter averages are a high of 60 and low of 40. That happens from December to March. April and November are 70/50. May and October are 80/60. Rest of the year is 90-100 and a low of 70.

Record low is 15, but under 30 is pretty rare.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2012 at 1:30AM
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wantonamara Z8 CenTex

Iy sounds like a lot like Austin Texas but with less moisture and maybe our record is lower.We sure don't look like you so something has got to be different. LOL.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2012 at 1:48AM
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dimitrig(SoCal z10a/21)

The humidity, I am sure, is one huge difference. The Mojave has none except during occasional summer monsoons. Occasional meaning once or maybe twice per month.

The Mojave desert is very, very dry. The average is 2.5 to 6.5 inches of rain per year and when it gets more than that it tends to fall at once. That doesn't mean there aren't wet years where it might get 30 inches but that's uncommon. In general it is much drier than the Sonoran desert of Arizona. I have read rainfall is about half of the Sonoran desert, which is why plants like saguaros which *should* otherwise like it do not grow natively. However, with occasional irrigation they do very well.

Another difference is the elevation. Austin is only about 500 feet over sea level, whereas the Mojave is 3000 feet+.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2012 at 8:34PM
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wantonamara Z8 CenTex

Well, I had figured that much out. Rainfall is a biggy. A year ago I had 5" of rain from september to september... Our plants or land are not designed for it.. I am at 1395 above see level . The land goes up West of austin . We get our rain all at once too. I am always amazed by similarities and differences. It does not take much to totally alter a landscape. How rain is delivered. We seem more arid because our rain comes in large lumps and flows fast off our hills. We cal have a 7", a3" rain and a day later there is no mud. We have the same rainfall amount as lush Seattle and Sequim Washington.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2012 at 11:36PM
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Central_Cali369(Sunset Z9, Fresno, CA)

If you find interest in annuals and perennials, the deserts are known for their spectacular bursts of color after a wet spring. I live in the central valley, and am growing several natives from the deserts south and east of us. Left to fend on their own, they are quick to bloom and set seed, but with a little irrigation, you can keep them blooming longer. Some of the ones that come to mind are Penstemon Barbatus, Penstemon Pinifolius, Gilia Subnuda, several delphiniums and Agastache rupestris. There is a great variety of plants you can choose from, but it will be difficult to find them at a nursery. You may need to find a seed source and grow them from seed yourself (that is what I had to do.) It's fairly easy and fun! Good luck!

*I can't post the names of the seed companies i purchased the seed from, but if you shoot me an email, I'll forward you the page.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2012 at 11:16AM
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