Which clematis for climbing roses?

eko42(SoCal Z9/Sunset 19)August 6, 2006


I am new to clematis and was thrilled to see a clematis board on GW. I live in Southern California zone 9 and I wish to grow clematis with my climbing roses. I have read that Type 2 is the type to pair with climbing roses.(?) I am looking for large flowered varieties that have the longest blooming period. We have such a long growing season here! Any colors will work with the exception of white. I already have lots of the color white represented in my landscape from 7 iceberg roses.

The climbing roses I have areÂ

Abraham Darby CL. and The Impressionist  together on an iron structure

Heritage CL. and Red Eden CL. Â together on a structure

Tess of the dÂUrbervilles CL. Â on a pillar

Social Climber  on a pillar

Don Juan CL. Â attached to a white stucco wall

Any and all suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.


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jeanne_texas(Z 8B TX)

Erin...personally I love planting Pruning type 3/the viticellas with my rose..why?..Because they are hard pruned each late winter/early fall..so pruning isn't a headache and you don't have to get all cut up from the thorns in your roses if you have to remove any vines from winter kill...I, Like you have a long growing season...I do have some pruning type 2's planted on the "inside" of my arbor to keep separate...
With my David Austin Rosa "Tess of the d'Urbenvilles" which I have two ..one planted on each side of my new Arbor..On one side I have Clematis "Avante-gard" (Red and pink colour) and on the other side I have Clematis "John Huxtable" (A white) on the inside I have Clematis "Violet Elizabeth" and on the other inside Clematis "Kakio"
With My David Austin Rosa "Abraham Darby" I have "Ernest Markham"(hot pink) and "Etoile Violette"(Dark Purplish-brown) and to the side I have Clematis "Henryi" (A White)
With my Climbing Rosa "Don Juan" I have another "Ernest Markham"
I don't have "Social Climber" but it is a pinkish colour and you can chose a red Like "Ville de Lyon" or a White like "Huldine" would be nice
I wasn't able to get "The Impressionist" (as you know..congrats again!) so I got Climbing Rosa "Royal Sunset" which I think will be just as beautiful and companioned it with a Gorgeous Purple clematis called "Ramona"..thought the two shall be breathtaking together
I have a Climbing rosa "Red Eden" and "Eden" to plant on my New Victorian Bench Trellis...this shall go up front close to my front Door to welcome people coming up my sidewalk and I am wanting to try and grow some pruning group 2 (I hope I don't end up hating myself for this!!) I am thinking of planting clematis "Crystal Fountain" on one side and "Blue Light" on the other or "Violet Elizabeth" with the "Red Eden" and "Mme. Julia Correvon" with the "Eden" for a nice contrast...which also leaves the option of planting Clematis "Kakio" aka "Pink Champagne"..which would be stunning against the "Red Eden" IMHO..(Can you tell I am still debating on the companioning of those two gorgeous roses..so many choices!)
You can always visit Clematis on the Web aka COTW and Click on "CLEMATIS SEARCH" then where it says TEPAL COLOUR type in a color you like and then where you see PRUNING GROUP..chose which one with the arrow and you could even chose Bloom Period by using the arrow on FLOWERING PERIOD INCLUDES..then click on Search Now and it will bring up ones to choose from...I hope this has helped and not confused..LOL...Jeanne

Here is a link that might be useful: COTW

    Bookmark   August 8, 2006 at 9:05AM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

Jeanne, how does your Violet Elizabeth do? I'm not impressed. Mine is three years old and has had one greenish pale bloom.

    Bookmark   August 8, 2006 at 12:10PM
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jeanne_texas(Z 8B TX)

BoS...Mine hasn't done Squat either..but mine was just planted this past Spring..but I love the pics of the blooms and want it to flourish in my gardens SO BADLY!!..Some Pruning group 2s are a pain in the you know what IMHO!!..And that must be one of them...did you hard prune it?..I do all of mine!!..at least their first prune season...that one might need it more than once????...Some children need a spanking more than once in my book..LOL...Jeanne

    Bookmark   August 8, 2006 at 4:58PM
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eko42(SoCal Z9/Sunset 19)

Hi Jeanne - Thank you for all the great suggestions and for pointing me toward the search engine on COTW. Lots of useful information on that site!

I also wrote to Chalk Hill asking for help and the following are the suggestions that their manager Murray Rosen gave me...

Prince Charles
Emilia Plater
Perrins Pride
Etoile Violette
Blue Belle
Ernest Markham
Ville de Lyon
Lady Betty Balfour

I see that some are the same varieties that Jeanne suggested.
Does anyone have any experience with any of the others?


    Bookmark   August 9, 2006 at 2:24AM
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jeanne_texas(Z 8B TX)

The only one out of your list that I didn't mention previously is "Lady Betty Balfour"..Even tho she is a Pruning Group 3...she has been slow to get established in my gardens...she is in year 2 for me...so I am hoping that that 3rd "Leap" year works for her!!..And she definitely is late blooming...she is one of the last to start blooming for me...I don't have her companioned with a Rose but with another Clematis...Clematis "Rosemoor"..another that is best done as a pruning group 3...Jeanne

    Bookmark   August 9, 2006 at 8:59AM
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bluesibe(NoCa 9a)

Like Jeanne, I'm a fan of Vitacellas. They rebloom quite nicely and the smaller flower looks great with roses.

IMO, to much is written about what to do and what not to do. And many of these authors live in different climates and zones than you do. Experiment, if it doesn't work try another one.

Save money by getting young plants in the early spring and potting them up in large containers and let the root structure strengthen. Then plant.


    Bookmark   August 9, 2006 at 9:58AM
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Jeanne --
I've got two of the Ramona clematis you mentioned. They're winding through a rose arbor in a partial shade location. Ramona is a beautiful lavender color that almost glows in the early morning and at dusk. Heavy bloomer, large blooms. Bloomed a little the first year, a good show year 2, and this year went absolutely crazy. Love Ramona!

I was planning to try a Rhapsody clematis, advertised as a sapphire blue, in a part shade location with a Lady Banks yellow climber. I have another Lady Banks in a very sunny location near the back terrace where I was thinking of putting a Crystal Fountain clematis.

But I hadn't considered the pruning issues -- guess I need to check to see what pruning season they are. If anyone has any better suggestions for blues, I've still got time to change my mind before October planting.


    Bookmark   August 4, 2008 at 10:11AM
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jeanne_texas(Z 8B TX)

Gayle..I am thrilled you are seeing the vigor and beauty of Clematis "Ramona"..she is so underestimated and talked about one of the wonderful Pruning group 2's IMHO. I have clematis "Rhapsody" but he doesn't seem as vigorous or floriferous as "Ramona" BUT that may be because he is in more shade..I am considering moving him..maybe someone with him located in more sun can speak differently about his attributes?
I also have clematis "Crystal Fountain" which is in year two for me..she was wonderful this year..I have her container grown with a drip system to her pot..she hasn't gotten very tall for me..only about 4-5 feet tall..tho mine is in morning sun and afternoon shade..
Climbing rosa "Lady Banks" is a huge vigorous one time bloomer and I would suggest planting a pruning group 3 if I was you..Purples and blues both look fabulous with yellow and call me kinky but I love red with yellow roses too..I have climbing rosa "Teasing Georgia" companioned with "Barbara Harrington" & "Mme Julia Correvon"..two deliciously vigorous reddish pruning group 3's...Jeanne

    Bookmark   August 4, 2008 at 12:07PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

Two years later my Violet Elizabeth still isn't a good performer and my Barbara Harrington isn't either.....

    Bookmark   August 4, 2008 at 12:40PM
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jeanne_texas(Z 8B TX)

"Violet Elizabeth" wilted two years ago and still nothing!! My "Barbara Harrington" is doing wonderful in her pot along with "Huldine"

    Bookmark   August 5, 2008 at 8:46AM
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wanda(Z9 CA)

I have Gravetye Beauty paired with a Sombreuil climbing rose and it has done fabulously. It blooms more or less spring through fall for me.

Harlow Carr is another one I have that works well with climbing Iceberg.

Negrijianka has also done well with an apricot colored rose.


    Bookmark   August 6, 2008 at 10:59AM
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Is the Rhapsody clematis a true blue? And what about Crystal Fountain?

    Bookmark   August 7, 2008 at 10:42AM
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jeanne_texas(Z 8B TX)

Clematis "Rhapsody" is a true blue whereas "Crystal Fountain" has tinges of purple in the tepals...Jeanne

    Bookmark   August 7, 2008 at 5:35PM
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pmermakov(Zone 6 (OH))

I was just reading this thread, but was wishing I could see some pictures of roses with clematis. Can anyone share some pictures of their favorite rose/clem combos? THANKS!!

    Bookmark   February 21, 2011 at 12:50PM
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bob414(USDA 9, Sunset 15)

I like Don Juan and Mrs. Cholmondeley together.

    Bookmark   February 21, 2011 at 5:37PM
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mnwsgal 4 MN(4)

I have a Cecile Brunner rose that I will be planting this spring. It has small pale pink flowers. Any suggestions for a clematis to plant with this rose?

This is my only rose. I'm not a rose person as don't like plants that have thorns. This rose is a special gift. I have more than 30 different clematis.

    Bookmark   February 21, 2011 at 9:38PM
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