Camellia Forest conifers

fairfield8619(Zone 8 NW LA)February 3, 2014

In case any missed it, on A. firma they have A. concolor compacta, A. koreana 'Silber Mavers', A. lasiocarpa var arizona 'Glauca Pendula', I guess this is for bad soil since I wouldn't attempt any of them. Also they have A. squamata 'Flaky' grafted but don't say on what. They still have the P. chihuahuana seedlings. Even have several Sequoiadendron selections, Larix, Athrotaxis, more conifers than I think they have carried before.

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gardener365(5b Illinois USA)

They have nice plant material say some of my friends who've visited their nursery or other friends who have purchased from them.

Dax

    Bookmark   February 3, 2014 at 6:02PM
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davidrt28 (zone 7)

Yes, and they used to be super reasonable...now just reasonable I'd say. OTOH you can't really compare their cost of operations to nurseries in other parts of the country.
FWIW just as I think blue spruce might be doomed in the SE no matter what it is grafted on, I'd be cautious about assuming grafting will help A. lasiocarpa survive for very long.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 12:14PM
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fairfield8619(Zone 8 NW LA)

No I don't think A. lasiocarpa would last a month in the SE but it would be worth a try in the mid atlantic or maybe the upper south if you have clay soil or less than optimum drainage. A firma stood inudated and sodden soil at the old house and never missed a beat. It may different in frozen flooded sites though. Hostas did well in the same flooded soil in winter but it was not frozen of course.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2014 at 6:29PM
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coniferjoy(z7 The Netherlands)

Abies lasiocarpa var arizona 'Glauca Pendula' does not exist...

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 2:23AM
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fairfield8619(Zone 8 NW LA)

Talk to the hand Eddy, or maybe talk to CF, they list it that way.See what they say and report back.

Here is a link that might be useful: Abies lasiocarpa var arizonica 'Glauca Pendula'

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 4:33PM
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tsugajunkie z5 SE WI

The tag on the picture they show says 'Glauca Compacta' which is just 'Compacta' nowadays. There is also a 'Glauca' out there, but no 'Glauca Pendula' that I'm aware of either.

tj

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 6:55PM
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davidrt28 (zone 7)

"worth a try in the mid atlantic or maybe the upper south if you have clay soil or less than optimum drainage. "

Well I had 3, 2 in the garden on a mound and one in a container with grit. They were all dead by the end of summer. Granted it was an extra wet and humid one, above normal railfall for June, July & August. Several seedling Abies delavayi were fine. (and a variety of other species I ordered from Treehaven)
The Arnold Arboretum has a few though.

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 9:15PM
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fairfield8619(Zone 8 NW LA)

I was speaking to A. firma as the understock, some things are not suitable everywhere no matter the roots. I wouldn't try any of them here, but some that they offer on firma certainly would be worth it farther north I would think. Were all that you tried on firma?

    Bookmark   February 5, 2014 at 11:39PM
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clement_2006

" (zone 5-8)- GRAFTED ON ABIES FIRMA A slow The dense branching habit creates a tight conical form."
Named "Pendula" and described tight conical form ???
In the same way, I remember Abies squamata "Flaky" is just a true Abies squamata.
Clement

    Bookmark   February 8, 2014 at 3:06AM
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CubicMile

Yeah looks like they've started selling conifers because there is a market/money to be made instead of them enjoying or being passionate for conifers. Getting someone that knows more about conifers over there could only help the business! Its hard to buy from someone with such incorrect names or descriptions. Also as someone mentioned above, their prices have steadily increased in a very short time. Maybe they should concentrate on the camellias.

    Bookmark   February 8, 2014 at 10:06AM
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fairfield8619(Zone 8 NW LA)

They do have a problem with names, some are so obviously wrong. I almost think that whomever is writing the catalogue is possibly dyslexic, letters seem to get mixed up a lot, so I will cut some slack. Someone should proofread for sure though. I don't think the prices are that much when you compare to FF, Greer or Gossler overall and the shipping is much better for me anyway. Pretty much in line with Woodlanders.

    Bookmark   February 8, 2014 at 4:33PM
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dicaro_gw

I will be doing several varieties of Abies on to firma in the next few weeks. Flaky, koreana Icebreaker, spectabilis, veitchii, koreana lippital. I live in eastern NC. FYI the flakey at CF is on cannan fir. CF got them from western evergreen who got liners from Bucholtz 2 years previous.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 6:46PM
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davidrt28 (zone 7)

"Yeah looks like they've started selling conifers because there is a market/money to be made instead of them enjoying or being passionate for conifers."
I think this is being unfair. I have their catalogs going back to the early 1990s and they've always had a few conifers. They are natural companions to Camellias, after all. Sure it isn't what they specialize in. They probably just got some scions that were mislabeled and didn't bother to check the names.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 7:09PM
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