Rose and Clematis Mistake

redsox_gwSeptember 1, 2009

I have only been growing clematis for a couple of years so I don't have a whole lot of experience. I planted 2 clematis with 2 old garden roses last year. I placed Franziska Maria with Reine Victoria and Rooguchi with Reine des Violettes. I put them both on tripods.

First I should say that these roses do need to be sprayed with fungicide in this climate. Secondly, that I also put Geranium Rozanne in the planting as well. It spreads and sprawls, but what I didn't realize is that it climbs as well, so there is a lot going on.

I guess my first mistake was pairing clematis with roses that need to be sprayed. When the clematis grows well, it gets clumpy even when you tie it up and makes it really difficult to get under there to spray.

The Reine Victoria/Franziska Maria combo has not worked out as badly, in part because Reine Victoria has been a very strong grower and FM is not overwhelming in year 2: I guess it takes a lot of energy to make those double flowers, so while healthy, FM is not overpowering.

The Reine des Violettes and Rooguchi combo is another story. I never realized that Rooguchi would be so strong. I mean, it is a good problem to have, it has just flowered all spring, summer and will probably go into fall. I figured at 6-8 feet, it would be a good companion. But RdV has not been as vigorous. At this point, only a couple of canes are even visible. Rooguchi has overtaken the rose.

Is relocation the only way to rectify?

In the future, how would you suggest going about these pairings? Wait until the rose is really, really mature? But then in a cold winter, the rose dies down to about 12 inches.....not enough to hold up a clem.

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michael_in_chicago(z5)

I don't have the roses, but do have Rooguchi. The best time to transplant them is in the fall (which is more or less now for me, perhaps later for you). Keep it well-watered all the way to dormancy. Rooguchi is a heavy grower, and I can imagine it would overwhelm a weak rose. I would pair it with something large like John Davis, New Dawn or Jacques Cartier.

    Bookmark   September 4, 2009 at 9:06PM
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redsox_gw

I have never transplanted a clematis before. Rooguchi is still in full bloom and it would be hard to extricate it from the tripod. I think it would be ripped to shreds in the top growth. Can you tell me how to go about this?

Maybe I will post a few pictures of possible locations as I don't have any of those really large roses yet.

    Bookmark   September 6, 2009 at 7:43AM
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cnetter(z5 Co)

I've successfully moved Rooguchi in the spring for exactly that reason - no top growth yet.

    Bookmark   September 7, 2009 at 10:44AM
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aliska12000(Z5)

Can you divide Rooguchi? I asked on another thread tacked onto a similar question but no answers.

It gets too thick, but if I have to move the whole plant, well then I'd rather leave it where it is and buy another one.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2009 at 9:17PM
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