Best weeping hemlock

kaitain4(7)March 15, 2009

I have a shady area that I need a smaller (8-10ft) weeping conifer to fill. Can anyone recommend some cultivars that would fill the bill?

Thanks!

K4

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firefightergardener(7/8)

Generally I believe

Tsuga candensis 'Sargentii'
and
Tsuga Mert. 'Thorsons' Weeping'

are considered two of the best.

Both must be staked for height I believe.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2009 at 10:18PM
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kaitain4(7)

Thanks Fire. I'll look those up.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2009 at 10:32PM
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botann(z8 SEof Seattle)

Here's my Sargeant's K4. I've never staked it up, however, it's on a high graft. I prune out the branches that are superceded by the ones above, making a rather thin, uneven edged, umbrella. It's about 40 years old. I got it in a trade about twenty years ago.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 12:34AM
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gardener365(5b Illinois USA)

I'll agree with "Bluespruce" GW member as I think Tsuga mertensiana 'Blue Star' is one of the best.

Dax

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 8:31AM
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henksgarden

Hello K4
The best weeping form is Tsuga heterophylla Thorsens Weeping

Henk.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 8:37AM
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gardener365(5b Illinois USA)

I did not read carefully the height requirements I now see.

Dax

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 9:32AM
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firefightergardener(7/8)

Woops ya!

Tsuga heterophylla not mert.

Tsuga mert. 'Blue Star' is one I'd love to see a picture of.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 11:18AM
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kaitain4(7)

Thanks everyone! Thorsens is amazing and the closest to what I was looking for. Seargents will probably work if I train/prune it. They're all beautiful. I too would like to see a pic of the 'Blue Star' cultivar that was mentioned.

K4

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 11:28AM
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dcsteg(5 Shawnee, KS.)

Some background on Tsuga heterophylla

Tsuga heterophylla occurs in two distinct areas, on the Pacific Coast (SW Alaska to NW California), in zone 7-9, and a separate interior population in the Rockies (SE British Columbia to N Idaho and NW Montana), in zone 4-6.

If this cultivar is from the interior population, then you have no problem; if it derives from the coastal population, then probably not hardy.

Mine came from Iseli and the claim hardy to -20 to -30 F.

Up date...mine died...obviously rootstock not from interior population. Just a guess of course could have been climate or soil. As I under stand it real tough to grow in Midwest or anywhere other then its original environment.

Probably a good rule of thumb to go by is...Do any western hemlocks grow there? Would have to survive the total climate and soil combination, not to mention your winters which is a challenge in itself.

Dave

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 11:31AM
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kaitain4(7)

OK, thanks Dave. That's great information. I would never have known that!!

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 1:25PM
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henksgarden

This is a photo of Tsuga mertensiana Blue Star
20 years old.

Henk.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 1:29PM
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kaitain4(7)

Wow! Beautiful, Henck. Will this one have the same potential zone problems as Thorsen's?

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 2:33PM
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blue_yew(Z9 Devon UK)

Hello Henk

Interesting tree what other forms of Tsuga mertensiana
do you have?

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 3:05PM
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plantmarker(z7 NC)

I might suggest Tsuga caroliniana 'Mountain Mist'.

PlantMarker

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 4:08PM
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henksgarden

Hello Blue yew

I have many Tsuga mertensiana cultivars
Elizabeth,Glauca,Bump's Blue,Zigzag,Quartz Mountain,Nana Pendula,Extra Blue,HB Horstmann,Lepiniec,Mountain Light,Sdlg Horstmann,Sherwood Compact,

Tsuga mertensiana zone 5

Henk

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 7:01PM
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dcsteg(5 Shawnee, KS.)

Heck...can you post a photo of Elizabeth?

Dave

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 7:41PM
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henksgarden

Dave

Photo for you of the Tsuga mertensiana Elizabeth

Henk.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 7:48PM
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dcsteg(5 Shawnee, KS.)

Thanks Henk...any special needs for this cultivar...ok for Zone 5?

Dave

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 9:52PM
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firefightergardener(7/8)

Henk - You're a wealth of knowledge and plant images. Keep up the helpful work!

If you have one, I'd love to see 'Bumps Blue'. I have one coming and no idea where it might fit.

Will

    Bookmark   March 16, 2009 at 11:39PM
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bluespruce53(Dorset UK)

PlantMarker - do you have a photo of Tsuga caroliniana 'Mountain Mist' ?

    Bookmark   March 17, 2009 at 2:24AM
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henksgarden

Photo of Tsuga caroliniana Mountain Mist.

It's look a like Tsuga caroliniana LaBar Weeping.

Henk.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2009 at 5:40AM
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tsugajunkie z5 SE WI

I've used this info to keep my Tsuga mert. 'Bumps Blue' going for three years now. Hardy to zone 5, but does not like the heat or dry air.

tj

Here is a link that might be useful: Ore St mert stuff

    Bookmark   March 17, 2009 at 6:55PM
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kauricat

I may be submitting this twice. Apologies, if so.

My parents grew a Sargent's Weeping Hemlock for about 40 years. It was beautiful and my mother loved it dearly. Unfortunately, the new owners of her home have cut it down to make room for heaven knows what!! My mother is devastated.

Can anyone recommend a place to purchase a new one for her. She lives in Damariscotta, ME. Thank you in advance.

PS - I do not yet know how to post a photo. But, I will, if I can work it out.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2009 at 12:35PM
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ghgwv

I have 4 Sargent's in my garden and they are beautiful. But the one that gets the most sun ( 4 hours) look the best. The one that got the least (1 hour) was just OK and so I cut down a couple of poplars to provide more sun and it has responded. The photos above suggest that the plants get quite a bit of sun and so you need to factor in how much shade you have in your garden.
Gary

    Bookmark   March 18, 2009 at 2:42PM
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henksgarden

Hello Wil this is a photo of Tsuga mertensiana Bump's Blue for you.

Henk.

    Bookmark   March 21, 2009 at 6:44PM
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hostaguy(USDA 8)

Anyone know of a good source for all these rare Tsuga Merts?? I've been lusting over 'bumps blue' 'glauca' 'blue star' I can't find a nursery source, mail order or otherwise. Any help is greatly appreciated! I think I found a source for 'elizabeth'

    Bookmark   March 24, 2009 at 9:52PM
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tsugajunkie z5 SE WI

Hostaguy- You can try at the link below for 'Bump's Blue'.

tj

Here is a link that might be useful: Cloud Mtn

    Bookmark   March 25, 2009 at 4:54PM
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hostaguy(USDA 8)

Thank you TSUGAJUNKIE!!! Excellent!

    Bookmark   March 25, 2009 at 5:14PM
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yugoslava

I just can't get enough. They take my breath away. Every one of them. Just beautiful

    Bookmark   March 27, 2009 at 11:04PM
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gardener365(5b Illinois USA)

Them's some good plants. Thanks for all the photos.

Dax

    Bookmark   March 28, 2009 at 10:19AM
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gardener365(5b Illinois USA)

Tsuga caroliniana 'Mountain Mist' in full shade growing at the nursery of Rich and Susan Eyre, 'Rich's Foxwillow Pine, near Chicago, Illinois. Very very graceful and elegant plant. Like 'Thorsen's Weeping' or 'Sargentii', these must be staked or they will grow on the ground horizontally:

    Bookmark   March 28, 2009 at 10:29AM
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crogers0282_charter_net

What do you think about one on each side of a front entry instead of a traditional alberta spruce? (probably considered partial sun area)

    Bookmark   May 17, 2011 at 7:37PM
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killdawabbit(6b)

Thanks for the pics of Mountain Mist. Mine is tiny but healthy. Now I know what to expect. I had never seen any pics of it before.

    Bookmark   July 9, 2011 at 7:40AM
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