Do plants have twins? Ceropegeia woodii

pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)November 5, 2011

Hi Folks,

I've been looking this plant over in preparation for a swap for a Hoya.

There's been a branch which looks like twins, from when it first appeared

They really have looked like twins as they developed

I wonder if such a thing is possible

Well, either way, I think it's pretty cool.

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norma_2006

Hi Pirate-Girl The vines come from bulbs, that divide. It may be not showing, the bulbs are unually under the soil, but new ones may appear along the vine itself. Good question, other plants divide to reproduce them selves. All of my bulbs divide. Do you mean the two opposite leaves, (twings?)they better have those or something is wrong. Now did I understand the question right? Norma

    Bookmark   November 5, 2011 at 6:50PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Thanks Norma,

I know about the tuber, I do see the main one down in the pot (the tuber's upper 1/4 is exposed/uncovered). I also know tubers can/do form along the vines.

I guess I'm asking if two vines can be identical, leaf by leaf as these appear, they branched off the main one (upper left corner of pic) & then appeared in duplicate as you can see.

PrayerRock, this is the plant I'd swap w/ ya, except that I'm keeping the twin branch ;>)

(PG) Karen

    Bookmark   November 6, 2011 at 11:36AM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Won't somebody answer this question pls? Maybe no one knows, that could be, tho' I'm still mighty curious.

    Bookmark   November 7, 2011 at 6:50PM
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cactusmcharris

I'll take a shot. Since the plant represents one clone of a species/variety, wouldn't it be more remarkable that there aren't more branches that aren't alike?

    Bookmark   November 7, 2011 at 7:20PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Well Jeff, I appreciate you trying, unfortunately, I don't know what that means. Is that another way to say "isn't it remarkable that more branches aren't alike"???

Hey Toni,

Have you ever seen this happen, two identical branches, leafing out at identical spots like this?

    Bookmark   November 8, 2011 at 12:18PM
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penfold2(4b, MN)

Don't most C. woodii vines look nearly identical? I guess it's a little unusual that two vines originating from the same node are of equal length. Either the growing point split, or an older node budded and quickly caught up to the original vine. Either way, I'm not surprised that they look alike. They're not perfectly identical as you can see differences in leaf patterns.

I used to grow this plant, but don't remember if mine did this. I always found the tubers and flowers to be more interesting than the vines.

    Bookmark   November 8, 2011 at 1:53PM
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birdsnblooms

Karen, I haven't noticed, but I'll check.

    Bookmark   November 8, 2011 at 2:04PM
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cactusmcharris

Karen,

Precisely, in other words.

TTBOMK, I've never had a ceropegia, but if it's tuberiferous, I should.

    Bookmark   November 8, 2011 at 3:56PM
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karyn1(7a)

If it's a stem that has forked it doesn't look unusual to me. My C. woodii stems fork often and each branch looks pretty much identical. Most of the forked branches on my woodii don't emerge from a tuber. My woodii doesn't produce nearly as many tubers along the stems as my linearis and Orange River. None of my other ceropegias produce tubers along the stems at all. I don't know if the arial tubers (or whatever they're called) only occur on the thinner stemmed varieties?

    Bookmark   November 8, 2011 at 4:23PM
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prayerrock(zone 5)

Pirate girl, the plant looks nice..looking forward to it:)

Mary

    Bookmark   November 9, 2011 at 6:03PM
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prayerrock(zone 5)

Your keeping the twin branch????? why would you remove that branch??? That stinks.

Mary

    Bookmark   November 10, 2011 at 1:14AM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Really Mary,

It's not like you would have ever known the difference (had I not mentioned it), is it?

    Bookmark   November 10, 2011 at 3:02PM
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prayerrock(zone 5)

oh wow that is rude. Glad its already in the mail, but thanks for letting me know you were taking the branch off, you could have emailed that part to me along with telling me to come look at the plant in this thread. Yes I would have noticed. I didnt cut part off the hoya I sent you just because I liked it. Maybe I should have cut off the bloom end.

Mary

    Bookmark   November 10, 2011 at 11:24PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Come on now Mary,

A little perspective pls. Most people would wait to see what they DID receive before expressing their ingratitude about what they didn't receive. Look at what you got & look at how much postage I spent - then come back & share your ingratitude some more.

(I didn't know Fri. Nov. 11 was a holiday, seems you didn't either.)

No one on this thread seems to recognize this twin thing as out of the ordinary, I do, so I kept it. If I hadn't opened this discussion you wouldn't have known anything about it.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2011 at 9:48AM
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eileenaz(9, Sunset 12)

It looks like you're the only one that thinks it's unusual.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2011 at 1:16PM
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prayerrock(zone 5)

Fair enough pirate girl, I will wait to see what you sent, I am sure it will be just fine..my apologies. I hope you also like what I sent you.

Mary

    Bookmark   November 12, 2011 at 3:00PM
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cactusmcharris

And we close, ladies and gentlemen and not a moment too soon, another chapter of 'The Fickle Trade Winds of Apocynacea Sometimes Just Blow'.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2011 at 5:00PM
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cactusmcharris

You Ceropegia folk might want to have a look at this online resource by Karen's friend Sage. He can grow the dickens out of these plants, he can.

Here is a link that might be useful: Your Ceropegia's Loggia

    Bookmark   November 12, 2011 at 5:07PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Came back to re-read this thread (about the twin question) & am thinking I like Penfold's idea that maybe the growth point split.

I've grown this plant for more than a few yrs. & have also seen other peoples' C. woodiis & that's why I think no, it's not an ordinary event. Bad me for not taking photos as soon as it revealed itself. I'll know for next time.

Without thinking I later piled all the growth on top of the pot & lost track of the twins. At some point I may untangle it again to look, might be interesting.

    Bookmark   December 14, 2011 at 5:57PM
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stonesriver(6B Tennessee)

I don't think the twins are unusual. Mine sometimes had triplets. :-) I always thought it interesting that some of the vines achieved great length and never branched and others would have "twins" on "twins." Guess that's why we grow our plants...they are never, ever boring!

Linda

    Bookmark   December 14, 2011 at 11:16PM
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norma_2006

Question, I think hoya vines do the same thing. Ivy also, and sweet pea vines. Now I going to go out and look at all my vining plants, the Senecio variegated rowleyanus seem to do that as well, ('Sting of Pearls')I know my cactus have multible 1-8 offsets all the same, and Aloe also have 1-8 offsets all the same. I think all plants may produce their own kind one way or the other. I just don't think in the plant community uses the word twin (meaning two) It may be referred as offsets, or division perhaps there are latin terms, I certainly don't know. I know I can get 6+ (sextuplets)I had seven offsets from a cut Sansevieria . many offsets on a leaf /or node of Kalanchoe, call them what you want, it should not matter one way or the other we knew what you were asking Two leaves off a node of a vine is normal to me. Words are only a way of communation. Names of plants so we are on the same page. Norma

    Bookmark   December 15, 2011 at 4:07AM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Sorry Norma,

Maybe I wasn't clear, I don't mean twin as just two, I specifically mean twin as identical.

My Hoyas may branch vines, but they have never produced identical anything. That's what I'm talking about, not sure why folks seem to think I just mean splitting or pairs, which I don't again, I mean IDENTICAL (or nearly so).

    Bookmark   December 15, 2011 at 10:27AM
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ilovetogrow z9 Jax Florida

This topic has always made me chuckle. Do plants have twins? Yes and I have the evil one.

Sorry I will behave.

    Bookmark   December 15, 2011 at 8:31PM
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