please id the pine

glaciers_end(8WA)July 5, 2012

Just got done with a road trip through North-Central Washington and spent the last night in Winthrop (definitely Ponderosa country). These pines were growing behind the lodge we were staying. Although the location, needles and habit of the tree say it should be Pinus ponderosa, the young cones do not to me. Is this a subspecies of some sort or a different species of pine that's simply out of place?

~Dave

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jimbobfeeny(5a IN)

Lodgepole pine?

    Bookmark   July 5, 2012 at 8:04PM
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glaciers_end(8WA)

definitely *not* Lodgepole Pine, Pinus contorta var. latifolia. This tree is way more massive, needles much longer and cones much larger and longer.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2012 at 8:08PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

Looks like Jeffrey pine to me.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2012 at 9:11PM
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glaciers_end(8WA)

Pinus jeffreyi is also one of my top choices. It's kind of out of place on the dry side of the North Cascades, wouldn't you say? Good guess, Ron. Let's see if Mr Resin checks in soon.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2012 at 9:34PM
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botann(z8 SEof Seattle)

The cones look like inmature Ponderosa cones to me. They just aren't ripe yet.
Mike

    Bookmark   July 5, 2012 at 9:36PM
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glaciers_end(8WA)

Hi Mike; to me they seem to be too long for immature ponderosa cones. They were 8" (20cm) long which is much larger than any Pinus ponderosa cone. Tree-wise Pinus jeffreyi is very similar to ponderosa. I just haven't seen enough wild jeffreyis to be able to make a positive id myself.

    Bookmark   July 5, 2012 at 10:03PM
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botann(z8 SEof Seattle)

Yeah, 8 inches is too long for a Ponderosa cone.
Mike

    Bookmark   July 5, 2012 at 10:25PM
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monkeytreeboy15(Zone 7b/8a)

Pinus jeffreyi for me also.

It looks to be in a residential neighborhood, so it could have been brought up from California?

-Sam

    Bookmark   July 6, 2012 at 2:32AM
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pineresin

Definitely Pinus jeffreyi

Resin

    Bookmark   July 6, 2012 at 7:51PM
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glaciers_end(8WA)

thanks for the confirmation! The question that bears asking now is how these (relatively) old trees got so far from home. Sam, they're not in a neighborhood, but seemingly planted on the grounds of the Sun Mountain Lodge in Winthrop many years ago. Personally, I'm happy to see that they're so happy so far from their native range.

~Dave

    Bookmark   July 6, 2012 at 8:02PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

There are numbers of planted examples in WA, I see the species all the time. In Seattle it is known over 93' tall, at least a few locations elsewhere in the state have even taller ones.

Jeffrey Pine is common here, and resembles Ponderosa Pine, but is darker in all respects, denser, stouter, with larger cones and needles

--A.L. Jacobson, Trees of Seattle - Second Edition (2006)

    Bookmark   July 7, 2012 at 12:27AM
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