Sea Buckthorn varieties

weeper_11(2b SK)February 3, 2013

I was eating out the other night and I had this wonderful sorbet that was made with sea buckthorn puree. It was delicious! Since I know that we can grow this shrub/weed easily here, I started looking into it a little more. Unfortunately this is the last year that PFRA will be offering trees, so I might be too late to get any from them.

My biggest thing is: I would rather have some of the newer varieties anyway, but I don't know where to find them! There are some russian varieties that are known for being larger and sweeter(such as 'Sunny', 'Golden Sweet', etc.) than what is more commonly available. You can find them in the US, but for some reason, I can't find them anywhere in Canada. The main variety that seems to be available here is Indian Summer, and that one is supposed to be very tart.

My hope is to find something that I won't have to add a ton of sugar to. Does anyone know where there are sweeter-tasting varieties available in Canada?

My other question would be..are these plants too invasive to be worth it?

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I have had one for about ten years and it is quite tart but has almost a citrusy smell whenthe berries are ripe and I walk by. No idea of the name . Magpies love the berries. All I know is you have to have a male and a female.

    Bookmark   February 3, 2013 at 11:10PM
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weeper_11(2b SK)

Might be Indian Summer, I think the PFRA came out with it..right now it seems to be one of the only varieties available in Canada!

    Bookmark   February 4, 2013 at 7:54AM
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I'll check Greenland and Salisbury this spring to see what they carry. Mine is getting pretty old and ragged so may need to get another one.Also the deer are nibbling on it.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2013 at 9:18AM
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Konrad___far_north(3..just outside of Edmonton)

Not much help..
I have some growing but nothing producing much.
The Edmonton fruit growing group usually brings some in for the Devonian show,
I have taken some seeds and have some little plants now, these were the thorn-less one's.
I don't think they're invasive, have one large female plant about 10 years old, about 5 foot tall and hasn't spread, need a male plant, I get some berries but not many.

Here is a link that might be useful: Love the pictures

    Bookmark   February 4, 2013 at 10:56PM
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Both my male and female sucker like crazy. I usually have so many berries I have to prop up the branches.Was talking to Tim at Greenland today and they will be getting some in this spring.

    Bookmark   February 4, 2013 at 11:16PM
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weeper_11(2b SK)

Your plants must have some improvements beyond the thorn-less part, Konrad! That is great, Edmonton sure is a great place for gardeners.

I'll have to inquire at some of the Saskatoon greenhouses..for the most part, though, I find they only buy what is common. I would think if they were going to supply sea buckthorn at all, though, it would be advantages to supply (nearly) thornless, larger-berried, non-suckering, sweeter plants. Could just be a sourcing problem, though. The U of S might have more information.

May just have to wait a few years if I want a specific variety, the plants certainly seem to be catching on. I'll be planting my apple trees, some plums, and tending all the new fruit I put in last year, so it isn't like I need more plants at the moment!

    Bookmark   February 5, 2013 at 8:18AM
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weeper_11(2b SK)

I got The Saskatoon Farm's catalog in the mail today; I see that they do have some different varieties available. They say they have "top Russian varieties" available, 3 plants(sexed 1 male, 2 female) for $65. I wish they would specify what their "top varieties" are ha ha. That is vague, they could be almost anything, and they could just put "top" in the title. :/

They also say they have some seedlings available that they have selected themselves from their own research..they are supposed to be large fruited and nearly thornless. You have to buy a minimum of 8 for $9/plant.

Anyone have experience buying from them? Are they good?

    Bookmark   February 6, 2013 at 2:42PM
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How about checking with Little Tree Nursery in Martensville?

Their website lists Sea Buckthorn, although their information hasn't been updated since 2011.

Their priorities for customers are: walk ins, phone calls, and then emails, so you might like to phone them :)

    Bookmark   February 6, 2013 at 5:55PM
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If you have a local nursery go and tell them that Sea buckthorn is "The In " plant as it's being promoted for all it's health properties and they shud order them as people will be wanting them. Even Dr Oz I hear is saying how great they are and that alone is a big plug.

    Bookmark   February 6, 2013 at 6:05PM
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weeper_11(2b SK)

I did order from The Saskatoon Farm, they ship by greyhound, so hopefully my plants(as well as 4 northline saskatoons to add to my own) will arrive safe and sound.

I've bought from Little Tree nursery before, they are notoriously hard to get ahold of! However, I am planning on buying a native plum from them this spring to pollinate my Pembina, so I will definitely ask them about their sea buckthorn's. They usually - but not always - grow the species, and not specific varieties. Fruit is the exception...I'd still be interested in talking to the owner about them though, she is very knowledgeable.

    Bookmark   February 6, 2013 at 6:43PM
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Konrad___far_north(3..just outside of Edmonton)

I guess time will tell if you got anything good. About 15 years ago I got the catalog, Evans cherries they promoted as sweet cherries, ..I checked the other day on the web, it was still listed as sweet. I've never bought anything, ..just can't trust this guy.

Buckthorn video from the Saskatoon Farm below.
Oh...he said, some of them can be bitter, I think it should say most are bitter,....another one, he said, one berry has more vitamin C then 10 oranges,...belony!

Oranges have around 53mg /per 100 grams
Buckthorn have around 130mg

So, that would compare,.. eating Buckthorn in the weight of one orange is the same as eating about 2 1/2 Orange.

Here is a link that might be useful: Buckthorn video

    Bookmark   February 6, 2013 at 10:12PM
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weeper_11(2b SK)

Yeah, I watched that video too, and laughed through most of it, what a joke. I just don't know where else to try..if I buy somewhere else I KNOW I'm only getting essentially the species.

At the very least, the Saskatoon's should be what they say they are(I hope they can at least get that right) and the Sea Buckthorn's can't be any worse then what I would get from any greenhouse.

In a couple years I'll have to let you guys know whether I got shafted or not!

    Bookmark   February 6, 2013 at 10:28PM
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If I remember that was the guy with a newer pear variety, "Paul's Pear". I considered it as pears are my favourite fruit. If anyone has tried it and can give feedback it would be appreciated.

I suspect sea buckthorn is particular about moisture, when it wants it and when it doesn't. I bet the drier it is the better it will do.

    Bookmark   February 7, 2013 at 1:47PM
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weeper_11(2b SK)

It is a shelterbelt tree around here, so our annual rainfall is probably plenty for it once it is established. Like anything else, I know it will require watering until established. Supplementing with water while it is forming fruit may change the flavor of the fruit, though.

I got a response back from the Sasktoon farm about their Russian varieties. They said the 2 females are Proxrachnaya and Lubipelskaya, and the male is Pollmix. The problem is, I can't find any information at all on the females. That might mean nothing, or it may mean they are unregistered, very new or very old or just very obscure! *sigh* For $65, I do hope I'm getting something worthwhile having, and they aren't just essentiallly the species.

    Bookmark   February 7, 2013 at 3:02PM
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Konrad___far_north(3..just outside of Edmonton)

Hmn..this sounds better, so then they're actually propagated from wood or tissue, do you think they're doing this? Or, you have some seedlings which would make them inferior. Or, they could buy their plants, you might want to ask. I'm sure, for $65.00 you have some customer satisfaction questions and answer leverage, especially when they're small,...oh, how small are they? LOL

    Bookmark   February 7, 2013 at 9:47PM
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weeper_11(2b SK)

Well, I had sent another email asking questions about the varieties characteristics; do they have thorns or are they nearly thornless, size of berry, ease of berry removal etc...but they didn't answer back. I'll send another one asking if these are seedlings or if they are clones..ha ha, they are probably sick of me by now!

I was able to find a little bit of information about them, I think they may have spelled the "P" variety wrong. I found a good Russian variety spelled the same but with a z instead of an x. The "L" variety sounds good too, they are both favorites for commercial productions, so I hope that means ease of picking off the berries.

    Bookmark   February 8, 2013 at 8:04AM
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Konrad___far_north(3..just outside of Edmonton)

Good my friend you're THE man!..Let us hear the answer,..oh what size they will be for $65.00 a pop?

    Bookmark   February 8, 2013 at 11:22PM
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weeper_11(2b SK)

LOL, Konrad, I am in fact THE woman. ;) But thanks!

I got a partial response on my previous couple of emails: the plants are started from cuttings, so I'm glad I'm not getting seedlings in this case.

I don't know what size the plants will be, but I'm satisfied with what I've found out so far, so I'm not going to ask them anymore ha ha! I'm afraid they'll charge my credit card more or something. I think $21.50/plant or whatever it works out to isn't too bad if they are actual, good quality, registered varieties. Especially when I can't find much beyond the Indian Summer variety anywhere else!

    Bookmark   February 10, 2013 at 6:42PM
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Konrad___far_north(3..just outside of Edmonton)

That sounds good!
OK...Good my friend you're THE woman!
LOL,.. for some reason, most often I assume I'm talking to a man, by now I should know that most people here are woman.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2013 at 7:56PM
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weeper_11(2b SK)

Ha ha, I'm the opposite - I usually assume that most gardeners are women, and I am delighted when I'm wrong!

    Bookmark   February 10, 2013 at 9:08PM
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Tom DeCoste

Honey Berry USA has a new variety available in 2014 that has sparse and soft thorns. Although not available now, sounds interesting,

Here is a link that might be useful: Seaberry / Sea Buckthorn (Hippophae rhamnoides)

This post was edited by foxgreenfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 13 at 21:49

    Bookmark   February 28, 2013 at 9:47PM
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braeburn040(2B/3 BC)

I have a 10 year old Sea Buckthorn orchard with 200 trees
150 Indian Summer, and 25 each of Russian Varieties.
I find them to be a real "easy care" plant. I provided drip irrigation for the first few years, and nothing since. They are thriving with no fertilizer, irrigation. I have lots of seedlings to give away. I don't know what the shipping would cost. They also grow quick from seed. I will add an email address to my profile if any one needs further info.

    Bookmark   March 1, 2013 at 8:08PM
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Konrad___far_north(3..just outside of Edmonton)

Welcome to the forum, braeburn!
The Russian's have been breeding them the longest and have some good stock.
I might be getting some seeds from somebody in Austria who has connection to Russia, he say's some are sweet.

Have you got some which are sweet, if so, how sweet, can you put a hand full in your mouth from the bush? I guess if they were sweet sweet without astringency then they wouldn't be the real deal.
What about thorns when picking, lots, some or thorn less?
Any pictures, what are you doing with these?
As as 10 year old, they're about to take off making allot fruit?

    Bookmark   March 1, 2013 at 11:39PM
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braeburn040(2B/3 BC)

Hi Konrad
I can't for sure remember the two Russian one starts with an "H" the other is called Lukora sp.? it sounds like that any way. My three varieties are in Tree Form not like the Senicis variety which grows in a bush form. All of mine arn't sweet I got them in 2003, and they may have bred some sweeter ones by now. I kind of lost interest when the market didn't materialize. There seems to be a recent interest lately, Re an article in West Mag. and a previous article in Orchard and Vine Mag. The Indian Summer are less thorny, They have been producing very well for the last five years. the orchard is under 2-three feet of snow at the moment. I may wander down with the camera and take some pictures (some still have fruit clinging)
I'll get back later

    Bookmark   March 2, 2013 at 1:21PM
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Sea buckthorn sorbet is my favorite thing to eat. My second favorite plant right now. Does anyone know where a natural person can buy Thronless Sea Buckthorn varieties? Did hourlong Google searches, not feeling lucky at all

    Bookmark   December 9, 2013 at 10:31AM
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    Bookmark   December 9, 2013 at 3:04PM
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Jeffries Nursery has two new varieties, Askola and Pollmix. Contact them for more information. Remember seabuckthorn has a preference for clay so plant accordingly.

    Bookmark   December 10, 2013 at 11:43AM
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