Photo of interesting spruce

gimberly(6a)August 4, 2014

I spotted this cool looking tree in Maple Grove Cemetery - Chesterville, Ohio (Chester Township, Morrow County).

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gimberly(6a)

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    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 7:53PM
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tsugajunkie z5 SE WI

Did you get up close and look at the trunk? It looks like it was broke in half years ago and another leader formed.

tj

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 9:45PM
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sc77

Very Cool! Kind of reminds me of Monkey Puzzle. I believe it is Picea abies 'Cranstonii'

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 10:31PM
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gardener365(5b Illinois USA)

It's just a seedling Norway spruce with variation. I'll bet nearly 1/2 that tree was snapped off.

Dax

    Bookmark   August 5, 2014 at 7:16AM
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sc77

Dax, just curious, how can you tell it's just a seedling vs a cultivar? I'm trying to improve my identification skills!

    Bookmark   August 5, 2014 at 9:29AM
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taxo_man

I agree with Dax.

J

    Bookmark   August 5, 2014 at 10:31AM
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gardener365(5b Illinois USA)

Hi SC: I suppose reading Resin's answers over the more than 10 years has helped immensely. And, 'Virgata' has extremely long & hanging, branchlets.

Dax

    Bookmark   August 5, 2014 at 11:39AM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

Many named selections originate as seedling variants, some seedling variants are in effect "types" that reappear repeatedly in seed batches. Some trees look like forms that have been on the market but are actually different, individual occurrences of the same growth behavior, that weren't ever selected, named, "built up" and sold as cultivars. No way to know if this tree was selected, named and sold by somebody or not just looking at this picture. If it was possible to look at the root grown and see that it originated as a grafted combination then that would point to it having been from a batch of vegetatively propagated nursery stock and not a seed raised plant. But even then, strictly speaking you can't be certain it was a named selection because grafting of unnamed selections in order to achieve uniformity of production within a crop does occur also.

    Bookmark   August 5, 2014 at 2:13PM
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gardener365(5b Illinois USA)

The majority of cemeteries with trees that old (I don't know 9,999/10,000) are seedling planted Norways. ("anything is possible") and I could be persuaded if I walked that cemetery and noticed all/or the majority of Norways had a uniform-look. Very unlikely though.

Dax

    Bookmark   August 6, 2014 at 9:16AM
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sc77

Good Points. Yea, I was thinking that too, but saw that 'Cranstonii' is a very old cultivar, so figured it must be that. I didn't really consider that they probably were not planting cultivars.

I knew it couldn't be 'Virgata', because as you said, it is very open and even more snakelike. Additionally, 90% of the trees people think are 'Virgata', are actually 'Cranstonii'. It seems quite rare to see a true 'Virgata', so I wouldn't expect one to show up at the cemetery.

    Bookmark   August 6, 2014 at 10:16AM
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