Looking for a replacement

ricksample(6)September 12, 2012

Looking for a replacement for my Picea pungens 'Glauca Globosa'. It's an eye sore to me & I'm unsure if it can be saved. It goes up maybe 3" off the ground then back at a 1:00 angle with very few branches. It's dark now and I will try to get a picture later tonight. Meanwhile I've narrowed it down to two I think.

Picea Pungens 'St. Mary's Broom'

Picea Pungens 'R.H. Montgomery'

The spot is around 5' x 5' In front you will find Pinus mugo 'Sherwood Compact', to the left you will find Chamaecyparis obtusa 'Lemon Twist', to the right nothing, behind is my house.

I'm looking for something that will rise above 'Sherwood Compact'. I'm not sure the size of 'St. Mary's Broom', some say 1" per year others say 3". For those that have both, which is the bluest?

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tsugajunkie z5 SE WI

I don't think 'St. Mary's Broom' would rise above the 'Sherwood Compact'. Likely pretty similar.

Pinus mugo 'Sherwood Compact' in an Iowa garden. Age unknown.

My 12 year old 'St. Mary' Broom'

tj

    Bookmark   September 12, 2012 at 6:26AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

i would say st marys is about 2 inches per year.. you can see it in junkies pic ...

girards dwarf about 3 .. and the other one about 3.5 .. oh thuem [sp???] ...

montgomery is pretty common for your collection ...

look forward to the pic. .

ken

    Bookmark   September 12, 2012 at 6:49AM
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severnside

I'd go for another 'Globosa'.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2012 at 7:11AM
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ricksample(6)

Thanks for the pics tj, It doesn't have to rise much taller than Sherwood Compact. I just don't want to put a smaller plant behind a larger one. My 'Sherwood Compact' is about 4 years old (I've had it for almost 2 years) and is only around 4" x 7" across. I've read that this plant should grow to be around 1.5' x 1.5' in 10 years.

Ken-
See the link below for my source of 'St. Mary's Broom'. It looks almost like 3" a year which would be great. But you're correct, tj's pick looks like it's growing a little slower. Also thanks for the other suggestions, I was considering 'Thume', but I couldn't find a supplier.

I was hoping more for 'St. Mary's Broom' since it's not as common as montgomery. But if it doesn't grow at least 2-3" it wouldn't get taller than the conifer in front.

Here is a link that might be useful: Dans

    Bookmark   September 12, 2012 at 7:28AM
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ricksample(6)

Severnside - I would, but would hate to replace it with the same conifer especially since I already have 2 of these not including the one being replaced. 'Globosa' is a great conifer for me (which is why I have more than one), I like that it holds it's blue color very well and looks great all year next to yellows & reds.

If the 'Globosa' in this spot could be trained, I may leave it. But if I could find a suitable replacement it'll be nice to have something a little different.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2012 at 7:35AM
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whaas_5a(5A SE WI)

If you want to spend a few extra bucks and SMB is too small, splurge and get the superior selection that has a slightly faster growth rate, SJB. 'St. Joseph's Broom' is offered in a 2 gallon container at Conifer Kingdom and is primo.

Otherwise you can go value (but you may need to buy a min.) and get a 2 gallon Globosa for $25 or so from Western Evergreen.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2012 at 11:57AM
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ricksample(6)

Wow whaas I would love to have that for this spot! With the baby on the way in 6 weeks, the wife would kill me if I spent $80 on a single conifer lol. I'm splurging just for one conifer to plant this fall along with all the ones I have sitting around here from spring.

Well here is the conifer in question. Planted Fall 2011. When it arived it was very sick looking. The needles were a yellowish green color. This year the yellow went away and the older needles turned green. Then the new growth pushed blue. It only grew about a half inch or so. You can't bend the wood any to bring it back up. I really need this to sit low to the ground so it won't require any plants in front. By the looks of it, if it does come around, it will have that high water look. Might be better off to just spend $30 on either 'St. Mary's Broom', 'Montgomery', another 'Globosa' or something else like these as long as it's available and grows 3" a year.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2012 at 8:43PM
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tsugajunkie z5 SE WI

If your 'Sherwood Compact' is that small any of the pungens will work as they should be 8-12 inches tall from the get-go even with a small one.

BTW my SMB grows about 1.5-2 inches a year. Ballpark size now is 18" high and 36" wide.

tj

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 12:27AM
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gardener365(5b Illinois USA)

Rick,

You might want to hunt down a Picea pungens 'Burl' or a Picea abies 'Uncle Stan'. Shoot an email to Bethlehem Nursery.

Dax

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 9:09AM
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coniferjoy(z7 The Netherlands)

Will, what's a 'St. Joseph's Broom?
I do know the 'St. Mary's Broom'... :0)

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 9:29AM
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ricksample(6)

Thanks everyone, I think I'll give Picea pungens 'St. Mary's Broom' a shot. It's a little slower growing, but as TJ said above the SMB looks to be at least around 10" tall. The conifer in front is only around 4" tall. If they grow the same rate, the SMB should always be a little taller. If not I could do a little pruning or move the plant in front if it gets to large.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 12:07PM
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ricksample(6)

Thanks everyone, I think I'll give Picea pungens 'St. Mary's Broom' a shot. It's a little slower growing, but as TJ said above the SMB looks to be at least around 10" tall. The conifer in front is only around 4" tall. If they grow the same rate, the SMB should always be a little taller. If not I could do a little pruning or move the plant in front if it gets to large.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 12:09PM
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whaas_5a(5A SE WI)

This is what I've been told about SJB...

Plant found by nursery manager, Richard Haslebacher. St. Joseph's Broom is globose with short needles and nodes. It's habit is mounding compared to SMB which is a bit more brittle and prostrate.

Eitherway I think both plants are nice. The SMB's that TJ has are absolutley primo. The picture doesn't do the plant justice.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 12:55PM
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severnside

I think the SMB is a good choice. From the two pics that TJ posted they compliment each other very well in branch size. A good pairing. The SMB's blue is very good. If as you say one just stays ahead of the other that's better than a longer branched form doing more than just tight globe expansion.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 1:40PM
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jth97381

I like 'Blue Pearl' my self. Stays real small for a long time. Let me know if you want a pic.

    Bookmark   September 17, 2012 at 6:24PM
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ricksample(6)

Picea pungens 'Blue Pearl' is one of my favorites, I was lucky enough to snatch up a small one this past spring. Just a small one about 3" round, but I love the blue color of it. Do you have a larger one? The largest I've seen is the one I have lol.

My SMB should be in around Wednesday I think... can't wait to see what it since this will be my only fall conifer purchase.

    Bookmark   September 17, 2012 at 8:39PM
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jth97381

My Picea pungens 'Blue Pearl' last summer. About 30" across.

    Bookmark   September 18, 2012 at 12:50AM
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