Fresh pie cherry for eating.

alcan_nw(z1 AK)August 13, 2006

Some time ago some place on this Far North forum I know that there was some talk about fresh fruit tastes of the Saskatchewan prarie cherries of the sorts and the 'Evans' pie cherry. I am very familiar over the years tasting the pie 'Montmorency' types from u-pick operations before. In recent years I have had the chance to sample 'Evans' and 'Surefire' both pie cherry types. Really all pie cherries resemble the 'Jumping pound' pin cherry in most ways other than size difference. Every time I eat an 'Evans' I imagine eating and tasting a good ripe giant sized 'Jumping pound'.

The other one 'Surefire' is true to name. This variety has been marketed as a late blossoming and frost evading cherry. To some nurseries it is touted to be a considerable improvement. It is. When really ripe there is amazing deep juice and other things resembling the common supermarket sweet cherry. You would not want to miss out unless you can crop sweet cherries. For the location near Portland OR where I've sampled 'Surefire' they were early as compared to 'Evans' here.

Yesterday I have grafted 'Mesabi' duke cherry -pie cherry hybrids with sweet cherry with similar expectations as I had years ago when ordering the 'Surefire'. I was reading and posting about experimentation going on with sweet cherries in Edmonton on the other thread. I know fall budding must still be in season for the praries and would like you to know where to get the grafting material from to experiment with these 2 pie cherry varieties if you can get them legally imported.

Surefire originated from NY university and might be a copy protected one.

Mesabi originated from Minnesota and is inventoried in Prosser WA (as of last week large budwood was available).

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I have always considered the Evans cherry as tasting rather like a glorifed pincherry ... well, at least like some of the pincherries I've tasted here. This year the flavor was somewhat better with all the sun and heat we've received. They are excellent for perserves and I've definitely not at all complaining about the Evans! I have the U of S cherry collection, some of which had begun to fruit for the first time this summer. One wasn't too terribly different than Evans, and the pit was quite large. Another had somewhat better flavor and firmer flesh, not at all bad! Unfortunately, the labels had fallen out of the pots during shipment and I'm unsure as to what variety is what!

Konrad's success with grafting sweet cherries onto pincherry is exciting news and I now look forward to the day I can possibly be harvesting sweet cherries from my own bushes. I have pincherries growing upon my property that I'd like to be able to bud, though securing budwood might be a bit of a task ... I wish I had contacts in the BC interior!


    Bookmark   August 14, 2006 at 1:06AM
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Konrad___far_north(3..just outside of Edmonton)

This sounds very interesting Alcan!...thanks for posting!

I can't comment on other pie cherries, all I have growing now is Evans, had one or two other ones but all have died out.

Have never heard about Surfire or Mesabi, have Goggled a little and it seems fairly common in the USA....You shouldn't have too much trouble to obtain some scion wood, I would think? Surefire is rated as Zone 4 hardiness, pretty well the same as Evans, sure wouldn't mind to
try this one some day.

    Bookmark   August 16, 2006 at 2:01AM
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alcan_nw(z1 AK)

 >> grafting sweet cherries onto pincherry is exciting news and I now
 >> look forward to the day I can possibly be harvesting sweet cherries

Sweet and Pie cherries can easily be grafted to each other as is done all the time. This comes from an experimenter, you might know him Clair, who lives around the coldest Fairbanks AK. A pie cherry 'Evans' 3ft high on Pin cherry 'Jumping Pound' from his place 13 months ago while visiting with my camera.. From this experiment what works good for Pie cherries onto Pin should also be compatible for the Sweets you want to try.

One caution. Clair's combination still has the pin cherry leaves and it is possible (as it has not been proven) there could be phloem tissues failing to connect properly.. If he was to remove pin cherry branches the roots could eventually starve to death. This type of condition was first reported in 1949 between peach and a certain type of plum... and now hopefully in your experiments you might be trying to leave some of yours with the branches on.

Glad to hear something of the dwarfish U of S hybrid cherries. They are a long bred stock of dwarfing cherries that I fully think will be hardy in Fairbanks even on thier own roots. For Fairbanks Clair says Pie cherry 'Evans' will not get as big on it's own root as his one grafted to pin cherry. From what I've seen in Fairbanks even apple trees grow up smaller.

Thanks Konrad. I think I'll be in the nieborhood soon. But is there any dates set for showing fruit?

    Bookmark   August 20, 2006 at 2:52AM
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Konrad___far_north(3..just outside of Edmonton)

Picture, [this year] is one of many, grafted Evans to pin cherry.

>>I think I'll be in the neighborhood soon. But is there any dates set for showing fruit?

That would be exiting!....are you coming with Clair? He has come
many times to the fruit show.

Growers get together is on the 16 of Sept.
Public viewing is on Sunday the 17.


    Bookmark   August 23, 2006 at 1:46AM
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Has anyone here tasted pincherry or chokecherry jelly?

I'm thinking of growing one of the two for jelly. If chokecherry, my concern is that it may die of x-disease and spread that to the sweetcherry tree i have.

I'm also concerned about growing pincherry on a site that only gets 6 hours sunlight and this only from the south (not east or west).

    Bookmark   June 14, 2009 at 10:33AM
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Both are very good, so are the pies.But then again I am a praire girl and grew up eating them, as well as right of the tree (pucker you up for a week). I think it is a comfort thing. I prefer chokecherry. I have never seen our chokecherries diseased but they are probably from the back forty and wild stock transplanted closer to the house.

    Bookmark   June 14, 2009 at 1:46PM
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I bought two Mesabi cherries from Hortico a couple years ago and they were loaded with fruit this year. The cherries are about the same colour, size and firmness as the Evan's Cherry, but much sweeter. So far the trees have been much hardier than a zone 4: they came thru -47C on my farm winter of 09-10. Mesabi also has a very attractive dark burgundy bark with a kind of metallic sheen to it. A real winner in my opinion.

    Bookmark   October 8, 2011 at 11:39PM
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