ID of plant in Florida

valray(Z4)February 9, 2014

I wish I was in Florida right now. :( But my brother sent me this pic to ID. Someone suggested Rose Glory Bower but it doesn't look exactly right. Any other ideas?

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writersblock

clerodendrum shooting star

EDIT They're particularly nice right now. This is a good year for them.

This post was edited by writersblock on Sun, Feb 9, 14 at 18:24

    Bookmark   February 9, 2014 at 6:22PM
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love_the_yard(z9A Jax FL)

It was me. :) I sugguested Clerodendrum bungei, as well as some of the common names. Below is a link to my response to the crosspost in the Tropicals Forum. Would be interested to hear what anyone else thinks. Am I wrong?

Carol in Jacksonville

Here is a link that might be useful: ID of plant in Florida

    Bookmark   February 9, 2014 at 6:24PM
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writersblock

I think it's quadriloculare, not bungei, but yes, clerodendrum for sure.

Link to Lee County extension PDF:

Here is a link that might be useful: Starburst clerodendrum

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    Bookmark   February 9, 2014 at 6:26PM
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petrushka

floridagardener:
A patented variety released by Morningstar Nursery called Dwarf Purple leaf 'Morningstar' grows to only about 6 feet. The leaves are smaller and ruffled, but produce more flower heads per plant. It is less aggressive and can be maintained as a pruned shrub or hedge without detracting from its performance
so is it invasive or not?
it surely looks good, but not robust at all, where i've seen it.

    Bookmark   February 9, 2014 at 9:35PM
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love_the_yard(z9A Jax FL)

Below is a link to the info on Quadriloculare referenced by Petrushka. It is interesting to note that this website also says the following about Quadriloculare (unless you have the Morningstar variety, perhaps):

'Bad Habits: Invasive by suckering, severe pruning will bring on an outburst of suckers and shoots. Suggest keeping potted to prevent invasion. Clerodendrum (Clerodendron) Quadriloculare will spread -- be sure you are ready for the consequences if you plant it in the ground.'

Carol

Here is a link that might be useful: Clerodendrum (Clerodendron) Quadriloculare

    Bookmark   February 9, 2014 at 11:10PM
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garyfla_gw(10 Florida)

Hi
I know that as C quadriculare "Fireworks tree "there may be subspecies hybrids ?? Certainly find the above to be true lol Mine are over 20 feet and sucker like crazy I also find it semi deciduous unless temps stay above 40. Always flowers in feb . Particularly glorious this year due to the warmer winter. Would make a fantastic potted standard
as you can prune it any way you like as a yard tree it kind of sucks lol Have mounds of flowers all over my newly laid stone paths lol A dwarf variety would be great!!! gary

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 6:09AM
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fawnridge(10A)

Sadly, Morningstar Nursery is long out of business. Their dwarf variety of Clerodendrum quadriloculare turned out to be a group of undernourished plants that eventually grew into full size plants. This particular species of Clerodendrum is highly invasive, traveling by underground runners that will quickly spread the plant around your garden.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 7:43AM
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writersblock

> Their dwarf variety of Clerodendrum quadriloculare turned out to be a group of undernourished plants that eventually grew into full size plants

Thanks for that, fawnridge. I'd been wondering about that, since the ones I've seen that met their leaf description have been some of the largest around here (and the quickest to drop all leaves in a cold snap). And yeah, they all sure do sucker like crazy. I think it's gorgeous in bloom, but don't have any here because of that.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 9:02AM
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eric_9b(z9b Orlando)

I think C. quadriculare can vary on the suckering habit. I have seen some that are agressive and sucker as heavily as C. bungei or C. indicum. But I have seen some with no are only a few suckers. We have one at Leu Gardens that has only grown to about 7ft and has only grown a few suckers in 10 years. I have seen others in SoFL with that are "behaved".

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 9:26AM
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eric_9b(z9b Orlando)

There is also a nice variegated cultivar called 'Brandonii'.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 9:27AM
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love_the_yard(z9A Jax FL)

Thanks, Eric. That is good to know. Is there any way to definitively ID the "good" ones? I know not to rely on plant tags, LOL!

Carol

    Bookmark   February 10, 2014 at 9:43AM
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wallisadi

Nice addition to any semi-large garden. No suckering here and they are from Morningstar Nursery. Miss that nursery , use to do the ordering in the HD nursery from them. Their plants always made the nursery really interesting to shop.

    Bookmark   February 11, 2014 at 5:01AM
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eric_9b(z9b Orlando)

I am not sure. It may be just individual genetics. Probably the best way is to get a cutting from a non-suckering individual.

    Bookmark   February 11, 2014 at 11:51AM
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yacheryl

Eric, I've grown 2nd Clerodendrum quadriloculare 'Brandonii' - the varigated leaf and
1(plus!!) of the regular green leafed.
The green leafed suckered like crazy!
Both neighbors are enjoying theirs though.

I lost 1 varigated to cold.
The other one is only about about 8 foot tall.
Georgous leaves to look at all year long.
Neither varigated ones suckered.
I wish they had...........cheryl

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    Bookmark   February 11, 2014 at 2:28PM
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petrushka

sev plants that i've seen in miami brickell area (south miami ave specifically and also in coral gables area) were all rather weak and kind of barely alive. honest! not in clusters or anything, just straglers. that's why i was so taken by surprise that it is invasive.
what occured to me that in miami and south of it (basically dade county?) soils are limestone, while the other areas in fl are mostly sand.
may be that's what makes it invasive, sandy soils?
may be it has much harder time on limestone/coral rock?

    Bookmark   February 11, 2014 at 4:13PM
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