pine ID

curcubeuNovember 23, 2011

Found this interestig pine in a public garden, a two-needle pine very similar to the austrian black pine, but the bark is different and it has a more piramidal habit. Does anyone have any sugestions?

http://img440.imageshack.us/i/img0435c.jpg/

http://img214.imageshack.us/i/img0432e.jpg/

http://img337.imageshack.us/i/img0433d.jpg/

http://img822.imageshack.us/i/img0431v.jpg/

http://img824.imageshack.us/i/img0434cl.jpg/

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curcubeu

sorry...





    Bookmark   November 23, 2011 at 5:05PM
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pineresin

Any cones you can get photos of? Looks like there may be one or two near the top.

Also, the needles I can see on pic #3 look to be in 3s, not 2s. How long are they? There should be plenty on the ground you can measure.

My tentative identification is Pinus jeffreyi, but I'd like to see more details to be sure.

Resin

    Bookmark   November 23, 2011 at 5:20PM
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curcubeu

the needles are a bit longer than of the mentiones austrian black pine, and I'm sure they are in twos. The cones are medium, also very similar to the black pine, but they are stouter and of dark broun color.

    Bookmark   November 23, 2011 at 5:36PM
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conifer50

There's definitely 3 needles per fasicle in part of the clusters...I assume the pines not in question are Pinus sylvestris?

Johnny

    Bookmark   November 23, 2011 at 6:21PM
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pineresin

The cones sound too small for P. jeffreyi. Maybe P. ponderosa subsp. scopulorum? That has needles mixed 2s and 3s.

Sorry Johnny, definitely not P. sylvestris, that has much shorter needles (around 5 cm) virtually always in 2s.

Resin

    Bookmark   November 23, 2011 at 8:48PM
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conifer50

Resin, I referring to image #5, left and right as Pinus sylvestris.

Johnny

    Bookmark   November 23, 2011 at 10:11PM
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curcubeu

didn't find any cone picture, but here is a close up to bark
I hope it may help.

    Bookmark   November 24, 2011 at 4:33AM
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pineresin

"Resin, I referring to image #5, left and right as Pinus sylvestris"

Ooops! Yes.

Resin

    Bookmark   November 24, 2011 at 4:40AM
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curcubeu

I googled P. ponderosa subsp. scopulorum as pineresin suggested and i found obvious similarities in all aspects, but most of all in this bark detail:

    Bookmark   November 24, 2011 at 4:56AM
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