ID this tree?

mick123(9)March 14, 2012

Hi,

A lot of people have looked at this tree and no one seems to know what it is.

I have attached a couple of links photos. Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/mick53/100_2377.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/mick53/100_2381.jpg

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mick123(9)

I didn't post the photos correctly the first attempt. Here they are (I hope).

And thanks again.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2012 at 6:20PM
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mick123(9)

If you don't know what it is, you are not alone.

I sent a photo to a local Arborist who thought it may be a Cercis canadensis. commonly called the Redbud Tree. But the leaves are only green and never turn red.

When I told him this, he said he was stumped but would try to track it down.

I own a Mystery Tree.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2012 at 8:30PM
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wanda9fl

Hmmmm....could it be a hickory tree?

Does it produce anything?

    Bookmark   March 15, 2012 at 7:50AM
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mick123(9)

Hi Wanda,

I have never seen it produce anything. It leaves in spring (now) and the leaves turn brown and fall to the ground in the fall.

It's not very dramatic but i like the tree. Over the years I have had two people stop when they saw the tree and ask if they could have leaves from it.

When I asked why they said would make "tea" from the leaves and drink it. They said tea made from the leaves of this tree were beneficial to their kidneys.

Both these people were elderly and from Cuba. So I guess we can assume this type of tree grows in Cuba.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2012 at 1:20PM
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mick123(9)

Nobody?

    Bookmark   March 15, 2012 at 7:08PM
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marcia_m(5 and 9)

Maybe try the GW 'Name this Plant' forum?

Here is a link that might be useful: name this plant forum

    Bookmark   March 15, 2012 at 7:38PM
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zzackey(8b GA)

Maybe if you found out the name the Cubans called it you could look it up?

    Bookmark   March 15, 2012 at 8:53PM
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love_the_yard(z9A Jax FL)

I feel like this is a game - here's three clues - wait - here's another clue - wait. Haha!

In the photo of the leaves, it appears that there are three "flowers" - they look like tiny grape clusters. Are those flowers? Do you have a more/better photos of the flowers and leaves? Most trees can be easily identified with a good photo of the leaf structure.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2012 at 9:11AM
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mick123(9)

Good idea, love the yard. Here are a couple of close-up shots.Thank you for the suggestion. We'll figure this out yet!

    Bookmark   March 16, 2012 at 12:48PM
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mick123(9)

Ummmmm, maybe it's not a real tree. I'll have to check it again. :)

    Bookmark   March 16, 2012 at 7:32PM
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cammunizm

Maybe a Ficus aurea?

    Bookmark   March 16, 2012 at 10:45PM
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mick123(9)

Negative, communizm, not any type of Ficus, the leaves are similar in structure but a lot smaller.

Dang!

    Bookmark   March 17, 2012 at 11:30AM
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love_the_yard(z9A Jax FL)

In the photo of the leaves, it appears that there are three "flowers" - they look like tiny grape clusters. Are those flowers?

    Bookmark   March 17, 2012 at 12:49PM
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love_the_yard(z9A Jax FL)

Got it! The scientific name is Nyssa sylvatica. Common names include Black Tupelo, Tupelo, Blackgum, Black Gum, Sour Gum, Pepperidge.

Is there a big cash prize?

Carol in Jacksonville

Here is a link that might be useful: Nyssa sylvatica Blackgum

    Bookmark   March 17, 2012 at 2:56PM
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mick123(9)

Carol,

You had me very excited for a minute. I read all about this tree BUT mine does not have leaves that turn red in the Fall nor does it produce little blue fruit.

Instead of the cash reward, please except my undying gratitude for your efforts.

The bark on the trunk and the leaves are almost identical to what I have.

Double dang!

    Bookmark   March 17, 2012 at 5:22PM
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love_the_yard(z9A Jax FL)

Again, what are the blue/purple "berries" or "flowers" that are shown in the very first picture?!

Still bet I'm right. Many trees that have great color in the fall in northern regions (ex. maples) do not put on such a show in the south.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2012 at 7:11PM
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mick123(9)

love the yard

What you seem to think are purple berries are just small leaves that haven't grown out yet.

I have been looking at this tree for a long time now. There are no "berries" on it anywhere during any season.

Ain't no dang berries, dear.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2012 at 7:02AM
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love_the_yard(z9A Jax FL)

Doesn't mean I'm wrong, dear. From the link below, "Fruit appear only on female trees and are bluish-black drupes about 1/2 inch long, borne two to three per stalk." [emphasis mine]

Other websites confirm this. From Nyssa sylvatica:
"Small and ineffective, the flowers of black tupelo are greenish white and do not merit much attention. The flowers on this species are polygamo-dioecious, which means that trees are primarily male or female but some flowers of the opposite sex often appear on the same tree. This means that some trees will bear numerous fruits while others will have only a few or none."

I'm guessing your tree is male.

I must have a need for undying gratitude. Or I'm a glutton for punishment.

Carol M. in Jacksonville

Here is a link that might be useful: Native Plants for Georgia - Black Gum or Tupelo/Nyssa sylvatica

    Bookmark   March 18, 2012 at 9:41AM
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writersblock

Where are you, mick? Tupelo doesn't grow in S FL, it's definitely a N FL tree. I don't know what yours is, but unless you're way up north I'm pretty sure that's not it. (Growth habit is unusual, too--tupelos I've seen tend to get pretty tall before they bush out like yours.)

It's highly unlikely tupelo could be part of Cuban folk medicine--won't grow there at all.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2012 at 9:55AM
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love_the_yard(z9A Jax FL)

This map from the USDA Forestry (linked below) shows its native range of habitat in two thirds of Florida. The text actually says "southern Florida". Don't know where Mick's tree is located.

Carol

Here is a link that might be useful: USDA Forest Service - BLACK TUPELO

    Bookmark   March 18, 2012 at 10:05AM
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carolb_w_fl(zone 9/10)

I have to disagree about the tupelo label - the branch structure & bark look very different from images I looked @. Branches & bark & the way emerging leaves look remind me more of Chinaberry - perhaps something in that family???

Black Tupelo Leaf:

    Bookmark   March 18, 2012 at 11:55AM
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carolb_w_fl(zone 9/10)

Try an image search using the term Meliaceae...

P.S. Neem is in that family - & might this be a sterile sport?

    Bookmark   March 18, 2012 at 12:02PM
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mick123(9)

The tree is in Tampa.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2012 at 1:19PM
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mboston_gw

Try taking a leaf, some bark and pictures to USF and see if someone there can ID it for you. I had a tree no one seemed to know what it was and they ID it for me right away.

    Bookmark   April 22, 2012 at 6:59PM
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eric_9b(z9b Orlando)

Definitely not tupelo, looks to be a Chinaberry

    Bookmark   April 23, 2012 at 10:30AM
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