Jasmine for Obelisk

mare2(5bSt.Louis)February 6, 2005

Am giving up on polyantha this year since I just canÂt get it chilled enough to bloom. So my question is, which would be your favorite [true] jasmine for winding around a 4Â obelisk-style trellis? Not a problem to put it on something smaller at first.

It would spend summer outside in full sun (with heat and humidity) and winter indoors in a heated sunroom with humidifier. Am looking for the best and strongest fragrance possible.

Have never had a ÂBelle of India and would love to try one, but I gather that the stems are too woody for what I described?

I really appreciate any suggestions you might have--know there are a lot of jasmine threads, but some of them are just making me more confused!

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risingpower1(Essex, UK)

Well it all depends on which you prefer, sambacs or other jasmines. Sambacs, I'd say a maid of orleans to wind around the obelisk, otherwise possibly the volubile or maybe just a plain old officinale. I take it you wouldn't want something which smells like jasmine but isn't? You may want to consider mandevilla laxa, it grows like crazy and smells of jasmine or as it's known (chilean jasmine). Would be quicker to vine around that obelisk than a sambac and is far less fussy to grow.

    Bookmark   February 7, 2005 at 3:58AM
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jimshy

J. Sambac is more of a lax woody shrub than a vine -- it does not have the best habit for an obelisk.

Other good, fast fragrant growers include j. azoricum, angulare, nitidum, and tortuosum (humile and odoratissimum, too, if you like yellows)

Don't forget other "non-jasminum jasmines" like trachelospermum asiaticum and jasminoides -- I know you want a true jasmine, but the fragrance of these is just as good as the real thing!

Jim

    Bookmark   February 7, 2005 at 10:16AM
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risingpower1(Essex, UK)

The azoricum, humile aren't that fragrant if at all. The trachelospermums would vine but would take a very long time, I'm still of the opinion that a mandevilla laxa is the best option in this case, it's also hardyish and really is a rampant viner with fantastically scented flowers.

    Bookmark   February 7, 2005 at 12:52PM
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Clare_CA

RisingPower, my J. humile "Revolutum" from Logee's has very fragrant yellow flowers, but it is not really a vine. It's more of a large spreading shrub.

    Bookmark   February 7, 2005 at 2:01PM
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jimshy

I had an azoricum, and while it wasn't my favorite jasmine fragrance, it was definitely scented and a fast climber -- just goes to show different plants and different noses will tell you different things!

Yes, the trachs, especially asiaticum, can be slower growers, but the plant habit is neater than a lot of true jasmines, IMHO.

Jim

    Bookmark   February 7, 2005 at 5:07PM
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risingpower1(Essex, UK)

Hm maybe I just wasn't able to detect the scent on the humile or azoricum, I know I definitely couldn't smell much with the azoricum when I saw it in a conservatory/greenhouse area. The only one which I remember smelling was the grandiflorum de grasse, tried the standard sambac, and whilst it was fragrant, nothing like as strong as the grandiflorum and I think the grandiflorum actually smelt better. The trachelospermums some people love, some people hate, personally I think they're fantastic for the UK, a hardy jasmine that flowers profusely around here.

    Bookmark   February 7, 2005 at 6:48PM
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mare2(5bSt.Louis)

Do have most of the "non-jasmine jasmines" you mentioned, and I agree they're very nice! Hard to explain, but the trellis design is such that a jasmine won't be as plain as it sounds.

Also have 'Maid of O,' and it definitely would not work on a support. It's quite shrubby as Jim said.

Your comments helped me narrow down to tortuosum and officinale, but Tovah Martin makes the latter sound pretty finicky. Sounds like it may be worth the risk, though?! Thanks so much for your help!

    Bookmark   February 8, 2005 at 4:51PM
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risingpower1(Essex, UK)

You have the mandevilla laxa then I take it? Officinale is fragrant, but not nearly as much as the volubile, tortuosum or nitidum. There's a grandiflorum de grasse variety of the officinale which smells fantastic though.

    Bookmark   February 8, 2005 at 6:47PM
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