Gartenmeister Salmon?

FlowrPowrOctober 5, 2004

Hello Fuschia forum! I was looking for some info on overwintering my new favorite plant, thank you Madrona for asking that question! My only problem now is, I don't know if I can cut my Baby back just yet. I might have to enjoy it for a little longer in the house!

I was told that it is a Gartenmeister Salmon, and I was wondering if anyone could confirm that for me. I would not describe it as a salmon color, more like a very happy pink! The color does not show up as true on my digital as I would like. The last picture is more true to the actual color. Do any of you grow this one? It really is a beauty. Here are a couple of pictures.

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fuchsiabonsailady(z8 UK)

Beautiful triphylla type fuchsia FlowrPowr, yes Gartenmeister Bonstedt is more of an orangy- salmon red. I haven't seen this one, but should imagine that one of the parents is Gartenmeister Bonstedt.

Yes enjoy the flowers a little longer. When you do eventually prune it back, don't water it for a couple of days beforehand, the reason for this, when you prune-back triphylla types, they ooze more sap out of the cut-stems compared to other fuchsias.

Also don't cut it back so hard as other fuchsias, leave approx. 10 inches of stems above soil level and after pruning keep the soil just moist through the winter period, not wet. - Kath:)

    Bookmark   October 5, 2004 at 1:03PM
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tightathome(Yorks - UK)

Hi FlowrPowr,

You have a really nice plant there, not sure if Kath will agree with me but it looks very much like 'Billy Green', a strong upright grower.

I tend to cut my Triphyllas a bit harder back than most as I like to encourage shouts from low down on the stems and avoid the 'bare bottom' that can be a feature of Triphyllas.

As Kath says the stems can bleed if they are cut back when the sap is rising and this can cause 'die-back' and could introduce disease into the plant. Something I have been doing for more years than I care to remember is to seal the cuts. I originally used 'Copydex' but now I find that any PVA glue will do the job, just a 'dab' on the cut and the wound is sealed.

I lay the plant on its side in a cool dry place after cutting back and leave it there for a couple of weeks to encourage the plant back into growth, something that I need as I exhibit my plants and I need to get the plants growing so that I can get as many stops in as possible to allow the 14 weeks they need from the last stop to flowering.

Enjoy your plant for as long as you can it is a credit to you.

Tight

    Bookmark   October 5, 2004 at 1:58PM
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fuchsiabonsailady(z8 UK)

Yes indeed Tight, I did think it looked similar to Billy Green, but wasn't 100% certain - Kath:)

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FlowrPowr

Thank you for the replies Kath and Tight, I will do as you both suggest and cut it back. I am hoping that the flowering will slow, and I will be able to bring myself to cut it down. It has not stopped blooming since I brough it home! Now that is a worthy plant in my book. I also have a 'Jack Shannon' that is doing beautifully, but I have not decided if I am going to overwinter that one or not. I have so many plants in the house right now, I have run out of windows to place them by!:) At least the fuschias don't need the bright sunlight, maybe I can squeeze a couple more in.
Does anyone have a picture of 'Jack' or 'Billy' that they could share. I looked in the plant database, and found nothing. I also did an internet search and couldn't find any info either. Is there a Fuschia database somewhere?

    Bookmark   October 6, 2004 at 8:25AM
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tightathome(Yorks - UK)

Hi FlowrPowr,

You probably cannot find 'Jack Shannon' but I suggest that you try looking for 'Jack Shahan' at trailing fuchsia with nice cerise sepals and coralla and very floriferous too, in fact it is one I grow myself.

If you put 'Fabulous Fuchsias' into your search engine you can look at the photos on their site (I have checked and both Billy Green and Jack Shahan are shown).

Let the forum know how you get on,

Tight

    Bookmark   October 6, 2004 at 9:22AM
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FlowrPowr

Tight, thank you for setting me straight on the name. And thanks for the link. I copied it off of the tag, but I had a feeling it wasn't right. I work at a nursery, and I know that many of our labels are off. It takes one person to spell a tag wrong, and it is forever mislabled. A lady was in earlier this spring, and she said that it wasn't even 'Jack Shahan'. If I post a picture, do you think you could tell? I have to go to work now, but I will post a picture when I get home. I would really like to get the label right on the Mother plant at work.

    Bookmark   October 6, 2004 at 9:32AM
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tightathome(Yorks - UK)

FlowrPowr

If you can post a photo I am sure that the forum will be able to identify it, there are a lot of knowledgeable people on here.

Tight

    Bookmark   October 6, 2004 at 11:45AM
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fuchsiabonsailady(z8 UK)

Don't worry about the 'fuchsia' mislabelling/mistagging FlowrPowr, you're not alone. Generally speaking here in the UK if you buy a fuchsia from a 'Specialist Fuchsia Nursery' 99% of the time they are correct, but if you buy from a 'General Garden Centre' plants are sometimes mislabelled/mistagged. Also the general public are to blame in some cases. I have seen people admiring a fuchsia, take the label/tag out to have a look at the name, and then put it back in a different fuchsia pot.

To add to the confusion, a few years ago here 'Californian Dreamers' were introduced, supposedly new fuchsias, big doubles of the trailing type fuchsias. Some of those were exaxctly the same as trailing types that had been here for many years :)

Nevermind, we get there in the end - Kath:)

    Bookmark   October 6, 2004 at 12:52PM
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tightathome(Yorks - UK)

Quite right Kath - the 'trade' have a lot to answer for, look what happened to Mrs Mieke Meursing - not a very marketable name that is it - so what did it end being named thanks to the commercial growers ... well thats another story .......I wonder who can tell me?

Tight

    Bookmark   October 6, 2004 at 4:57PM
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fuchsiabonsailady(z8 UK)

I remember this controversy well, at the time I was Show Secretary of one of our local fuchsia socieities, those were the days :) :) :) MIEKE MEURSING v PINK SPANGLES, - Kath:)

    Bookmark   October 6, 2004 at 5:22PM
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tightathome(Yorks - UK)

Correct Kath - well done

If you think you had problems - what about us poor Judges???

I dread to think how many names have been changed to please 'the trade' !!!

Tight

    Bookmark   October 6, 2004 at 5:57PM
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LePhare(Cornwall.UK)

Don't forget the gnomes! Not only do the steal the labels, the ones they leave behind they change around!!
IanS

    Bookmark   October 6, 2004 at 7:15PM
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tightathome(Yorks - UK)

We don't get gnomes up here in't North we have Fairies - great big un's wi clogs and flat caps.... usually working in garden centres !!!

    Bookmark   October 7, 2004 at 3:11AM
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fuchsiabonsailady(z8 UK)

We have 'pet' blackbirds, come to the backdoor every morning for their daily meal of sultanas, the adults are no problem but the fledglings are forever pulling the moss out of my bonsai pots and just seem to enjoy pulling out lables from flower pots :( but I wouldn't be without them :)
Kath

    Bookmark   October 7, 2004 at 7:43AM
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tightathome(Yorks - UK)

We had a Sparrow Hawk on the fence this morning - but I can't blame him for swapping labels. Mind you his presence does stop the other birds from feeding at the birdtable.

    Bookmark   October 7, 2004 at 7:56AM
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FlowrPowr

Tight, thanks for the link to Fabulous Fuschias. I finally got a chance to check it out. You guys are right about the pink Fuschia being Billy Green, thanks for the quick i.d.
The Jack Shahan pictured looks very similar to mine, I think it is a match. I would post a picture of it, but my hubby took the digital camera on his business trip. I will post a picture Saturday, and maybe you can give me a positive i.d.
At least you all seem to have a sense of humor about the whole mislabeling thing. :) It gets kind of frustrating for me sometimes. I don't own the nursery, and I feel kind of funny correcting my boss on her plant names! I noticed things getting mispelled a lot, and I am going to have to make a note to start correcting them. Since I have been put in charge of the Mother house, and taking cuttings, I am going to have easier access at making corrections. At least I know one plant I will be relabeling!
I guess things could be worse, I could have troublesome gnomes changing tags on me! I have not run into to many gnomes, mainly fairies around here! The fairies are a bit easier to work with;) Now trolls, that is a whole different story!

    Bookmark   October 7, 2004 at 2:46PM
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tightathome(Yorks - UK)

Hi FlowrPowr

Promotion hey.... a good little tip that will impress the boss and help prevent labels being switched or lost is to cut a 4 inch label in half (you now have 2 x 2 inch labels)now you now know where the name Tight comes from, write the plant name on one of the small labels, slip the plant from it's pot and drop the label into the bottom of the pot, now replace the plant back into the pot, with the other label, again write the name of the plant onto this and slip it down the side of the pot between the compost and the pot (it helps if this part of the label has the hole in it where you tie the label to a plant), the roots will often grow through this hole and hold it in place, simple but effective.

Oh and by the way I must say I have never been the victim of an attack of the Trolls... many other things but not the dreaded Trolls...

Tight....

    Bookmark   October 7, 2004 at 3:43PM
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LePhare(Cornwall.UK)

Wish I'd never mentioned gnomes!!!
IanS

    Bookmark   October 7, 2004 at 7:20PM
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