Grand Duke Supreme with mutan-size leaves

musaboru(Inland Calif.)July 16, 2014

Holy moly! My GDS is forming some relatively large leaves and I never seen anything like it before. Theyre probably like 3 inches across. Is this normal once it gets established?

I plucked the largest leaf I could find on Grand Duke of Tuscany and layed it on the new GDS leaves. And the bottom left is the regular GDS leaves.

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radhavall

This is very interesting.. Maybe the blooms will be extra large too!!!

    Bookmark   July 17, 2014 at 4:18PM
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Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)

Gotta luv mutant GDS!

    Bookmark   July 17, 2014 at 7:55PM
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Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)

Luv when it produces jasmine 'brains'. ;)

    Bookmark   July 17, 2014 at 7:57PM
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radhavall

I see fasciation in Jasmines especially GD all the time.. Maybe in GDS too..

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 8:29AM
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musaboru(Inland Calif.)

What do you guys has the better scent of the two? Love them brains too!

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 1:04PM
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Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)

I don't grow regular GDT but I've sniffed what I believe to be it.
I think GDS has more of a fruity scent which reminds me of apricots but I also think there's probably more than one GDS out there but what do I know? :)
My partner loves it though. It's grown quite huge.
Probably 4 feet across by now?

-Robert

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 1:34PM
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musaboru(Inland Calif.)

Wow can you post a pic of the full plant Robert? Would love to see.

Mine's finally bloomed. Thr scent does have more of that green/herbal element if I can call it that.

    Bookmark   July 20, 2014 at 10:41PM
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Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)

Here's a pic of the whole plant.
I measured it and it's over 5 feet wide!

-Robert

    Bookmark   July 21, 2014 at 9:02AM
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kemistry(8 - Oregon)

holy.. that's huge. : ))

    Bookmark   July 21, 2014 at 3:10PM
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musaboru(Inland Calif.)

Oh...my...god Robert that such an amazing specimen. Im really inpressed with your plants as usual. :)) Do you do any pruning? Its good to see that it is full of leaves even at the bottom.

    Bookmark   July 21, 2014 at 3:34PM
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Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)

Thanks, guys!
I call it the beast. Laugh.
The only pruning I do is when a bird lands on one of the branches and snaps it and of course in the fall when I have to cut it back just to get it through the basement door. :)

-Robert

    Bookmark   July 22, 2014 at 9:10AM
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kasiec

Hi Musaboru and Robert - where did you get the GDS? I would like to add this to my collection of Sambacs.

~Kasie

    Bookmark   July 25, 2014 at 9:05PM
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Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)

Hi Kasie,

I got mine at an Asian market in OKC about 3 years ago.
I was quite excited and emailed Kemistry who confirmed it was a GDS. :)

-Robert

This post was edited by robert1971 on Sat, Jul 26, 14 at 16:30

    Bookmark   July 26, 2014 at 4:08PM
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kasiec

Thank you for letting me know Robert.

~Kasie

    Bookmark   July 26, 2014 at 6:52PM
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musaboru(Inland Calif.)

Kasie, I got mine's from Dhanstudio on ebay. He has it from time to time but not at the moment. Keep a watch for it.

I may have to check Chinatown LA tomorrow because I think this variety is way more attractive than the regular Grand Duke and would like to plant a hedge of them! LOL.

    Bookmark   July 26, 2014 at 11:46PM
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kasiec

Thank you for letting me know Musaboru. I have Grand Duke with the rounded leaves. Last year I picked up two more Grand Dukes at Green Mart and I was content with the purchase. But after seeing pictures posted here of GDS...now I really need this one also. Just can't seem to have enough of them :)

Please let us know what you find in China Town. Thanks again.

~Kasie

    Bookmark   July 27, 2014 at 2:42AM
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musaboru(Inland Calif.)

Kasie,

Was at Chinatown today and did not see any jasmines, but they do have Michelia alba and assorted plumerias (mostly no-name white varieties).

Also checked Mimosa LA on the way home, they had Mysore Mulli and Duke. But no GDS. I wonder if Little Saigon or the other nurseries in OC might have any.

Update: I see Dhanstudio has GD Supreme up for buy it now again.

This post was edited by musaboru on Sun, Jul 27, 14 at 20:52

    Bookmark   July 27, 2014 at 7:32PM
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kasiec

Thank you musaboru . I will have to check that out.

~Kasie

    Bookmark   July 28, 2014 at 8:11PM
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andrew78(6)

Hi Robert. You are one lucky guy to have such an amazing jasmine! I really want this variety but I don't know where to order it. I don't even think Logees carries GDS. They have GDT, but after seeing these pics, I want GDS!

I know you didn't mention your plumeria stenopetala here but...your not alone buddy. I bought mine this past spring, and I actually thought it was a goner. I literally put my finger right through the base of the tree. I thought it was rotted but somehow it didn't die and now that same spot has firmed right up on me.

When I went to visit Florida Colors, I got to see there awesome specimen in all it's glory. Seeing, and smelling those flowers was reason enough for me to buy one, but then Carol told me that Luc had been experimenting with growing it in those wire baskets that are lined with coconut husk. Some people don't think that they would make good hanging baskets but I am growing mine in a basket. I figured if this really works, then why not! I can hang it, and have space for another plumeria on the ground under neath it!

Thanks again for sharing your awesome pic of your GDS jasmine! I am going to have to hunt one down now!

Andrew

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 10:37AM
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meyermike_1micha(5)

Robert, that's the biggest one I ever saw in captivity held hostage by winter and in a pot!

I need your help)

How do you over winter it? Is it kept cool on the dry side? Does it loose its leaves? Do you water at all?
Does it look like crap by the time winter is over?

Thanks

MIke

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 2:16PM
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Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)

You guys are cracking me up!

Dhan has some for sale right now on ebay.
Andrew,
Hurry up and buy one! ;)

Mike,

It's shoved down into the basement with the other tropicals.
I keep it on the dry side and water once or twice a month depending on how cold it is outside. Definitely don't want to over water in the winter for fear of rotting the roots.
Jasmines don't want to sit in cold water over the winter. :)
I have to cut it back way, way back to fit through the basement doors. It does keep most of its leaves though and doesn't look too bad come spring.
I think in a greenhouse it would looks smashing! ;)

-Robert

Here is a link that might be useful: GDS on ebay

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 2:40PM
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meyermike_1micha(5)

Robert thanks for that!

I think I should of asked if you keep it actively growing under lights? How do you keep the roots warm? And how cold does it get down there..I'm so afraid to stick mine under a flourescent light in a cool basement unless that's doable..?

MIke

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 3:55PM
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Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)

Yes. It's under fluorescent lights in the basement.
It never freezes down there but I'm not sure exactly how cold it got during the long brutal winter we had this year.
Maybe 45?
The pots are elevated off the floor on benches. I guess that helps to keep the roots warm.
I would not stick it down in the basement until it grows fairly large though. :)

-Robert

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 5:17PM
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lazybonz(7a)

Robert, that is one awesome plant!
After heeding all of your advice , including getting a moisture meter, I'm confident enough to have picked up a couple of GDS from Dhanstudio on Ebay.
(Anyone considering GDS, be advised that Dhanstudio seems to sell out of these very quickly.)
The moisture meter is excellent, as I don't have to rely on my own, obviously faulty, judgement.
My other jasmines are doing very well outdoors.
I've been using Foliage Pro , 1/4 tsp per gallon at each watering and have them in Al " Tapla " 's 5:1:1 mix.

Thanks again for your help.

I'm so glad to have found this forum and for the kindness of you who've shared your wisdom.

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 5:38PM
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Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)

Ah...you're welcome and thank you for the kind words!
I'm so happy your jasmines are doing great!
Sounds like your system is working quite well for you.
I too use Foliage Pro and the 5:1:1 mix. :)

-Robert

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 5:47PM
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meyermike_1micha(5)

That's three..I use the Foilage Pro too and the 5.1.1 mix..

Robert, yes, I really appreciate the time you take to help us grow our plants and....buy them..ha

Great looking plant.

Mike

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 6:59PM
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andrew78(6)

Thanks Robert. I just ordered one from the Ebay link you posted. Glad I tried this seller because I was thinking of getting the Michelia Alba. I may also check with Laura as she just got hers the other day.

Andrew

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 8:20PM
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musaboru(Inland Calif.)

Andrew, I have remember you raved about Plantogram in the Tropical Fruit forum (I use to lurk there). They have Michelia alba for sale too. And its a 3 gallon size.

Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.plantogram.com/product/michelia/

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 11:43PM
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andrew78(6)

Thanks for the tip! Much appreciated :)

Andrew

    Bookmark   August 4, 2014 at 11:46PM
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andrew78(6)

Today I got my GDS jasmine from Dhan. Very pleased with my purchase. Box was crushed slightly at the top but the jasmine itself was no damaged. Leaves and vine are in perfect shape!

Thank you again Robert!

Andrew

    Bookmark   August 7, 2014 at 1:01PM
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Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)

Hooray! Awesome news, Andrew, and you're welcome! :)

Oh, every day I check my Plumeria stenopetala for signs of an inflo but so far just leaves.
Can't wait to finally sniff it though!

-Robert

    Bookmark   August 7, 2014 at 1:29PM
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kasiec

Hi Andrew - congratulations, I took the plunge also. Is it possible to post a picture of what you received? I should be getting mind some time next week. I bought a GDS and Jasmine Belle of India.

~Kasie

    Bookmark   August 7, 2014 at 1:44PM
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Robert (zone 7a, Oklahoma)

Ha! I was wanting a picture as well, Kasie. :)

-Robert

    Bookmark   August 7, 2014 at 2:04PM
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musaboru(Inland Calif.)

Here's what to expect. This one is Arabian Nights that I got two weeks ago but GDS was about this size too when I received it.

    Bookmark   August 7, 2014 at 8:15PM
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kasiec

Thank you for posting the picture of your plant musaboru. Its nice to have an idea of what I will be receiving.

~Kasie

    Bookmark   August 8, 2014 at 8:20PM
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kasiec

Thank you Robert and Musaboru for suggesting ebay. I received my plants today and am very happy with them. How many Jasmine Sambac varieties can a person have...I wonder :)

~Kasie

    Bookmark   August 11, 2014 at 7:19PM
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