Germinating seeds

Raymondo(Armidale, NSW)October 1, 2004

I hope this isn't too off-topic but I've noticed some other related threads. If it is too off-topic please say so. I don't want to upsety anybody.

A very generous GWebber gave me some muscadine seed. The seed is fresh and I'm trying as many different methods of germinating I can think of - straight sowing outdoors, sowing and keeping on a heat pad, soaking o/night then doing same, soaking then storing in fridge for a month or two. I am very keen to get a result and am also looking at chemical means of germinating. I noticed on the Tomato Seed Saving thread that a 0.2% solution of potassium nitrate helps, as does a weak solution of Miracle Grow etc. How weak is weak? And where would I get potassium nitrate from? Has anyone any experience with gibberellic acid?

Once agian, sorry this is off-topic.

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carolyn137(z4/5 NY)

If you look at the thread below with newbie in the title two of us have been discussing aids to germination with variious hormones/chemicals.

But that's for seeds that are very very old.

Are your muscadine seeds old or you just haven't discovered how folks do germinate them? In which case per haps a visit to the Forum here where grapes are discussed if the info isn't on the web?

Knitrate is also known by the old term of saltpeter and can usually be found in a drug store since it's also used in food preservation and some other uses as well.

If not, you'll have to go to a local high school and speak to the chemistry teacher to get some b/c at least here in the US it can't be shipped to individuals. And that's b/c it's used in the manufacture of TNT. LOL

Carolyn, who has to answer MM in the thread I just refer red to but will get to that later. But to answer one question, it's the nitrate ion that's known to be involved in germination of seeds, thus the use of dilute granular fertilizers or Knitrate. Again, primarily for old seeds. But as I said below, comparing this and that I still feel hydration is the primary issue.

    Bookmark   October 1, 2004 at 6:52AM
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paquebot(Z-4b WI)

Raymondo, you DO know that muscadine grapes will NOT grow true from seeds? There are probably at least 25 recognized "domestic" cultivars with widely varied characteristics. Then there are numerous wild versions, all genetically different in one aspect or another. In effect, they are all hybrids like apples and a variety may only be perpetuated by cuttings or grafting.

If the muscadine is like most other grapes, the seed will require a cold period first of up to 4 months before it will germinate. So, one would need cold first and then heat later.

Martin

    Bookmark   October 1, 2004 at 3:09PM
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Raymondo(Armidale, NSW)

Carolyn,
Thank you for the info re pot. nitrate - I had completely forgotten it's common name (been a very long time since I did any chemistry!) I will try the Oz equivalent of a drugstore and also a high school. I happen to be a high school mathematics teacher so I'm sure I can persuade my science colleagues to part with some if they have any.
The muscadine seeds I have are not old at all having been just recently harvested. It's just that I was given enough so that I could try as many different ways as possible to germinate them.

Thank you Martin,
I didn't know that about muscadine. On the one hand, it's disappointing to know that I won't get the variety they came from, on the other, it might be something just as interesting.
And I suspected as much about cold so I have quite a few in the fridge trying to make them think it's winter.

Thank you both.

    Bookmark   October 3, 2004 at 7:55AM
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