Hoya Pachyclada seeds

suetran1(7NC)August 15, 2011

My hoya pachyclada is open today, anyone interested?

Shepherdii seed pods is on the way, I do not know the due day!

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kidsandcats(7)

I'd love to have some, but I'm not sure I'd have anything you would want in return. Are you looking for anything in particular?

Deborah

    Bookmark   August 15, 2011 at 12:04PM
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stevenwayne(6 sw)

I would love some. I can find that plant anywhere. Please I have nothing to trade but common hoyas. Is gladly play for postage hiloplumeria@gmail.com

    Bookmark   August 15, 2011 at 12:13PM
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suetran1(7NC)

To make it simple, I think : anyone who interested, I will answer your email with my address, after that just send me a a paid envelope with your add. on it.
Any suggestion?
I will have 2 more seed pods of pachyclada coming soon.
sue

    Bookmark   August 15, 2011 at 12:27PM
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suetran1(7NC)

For those who contacted with me, you have mail.
suetran1@hotmail.com

    Bookmark   August 15, 2011 at 5:37PM
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quinnfyre(z7 PA)

That is so cool! Great pic!

    Bookmark   August 15, 2011 at 10:03PM
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suetran1(7NC)

So far I have 4 people in the list. But please send me email if you want some, as I said, I have 2 more seed pods will open soon.
I'm glad that I have someone take care of my babies.

suetran1@hotmail.com

    Bookmark   August 16, 2011 at 5:20PM
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ima_digger

Sue, seeds came today along with a very generous bunch of hoya cuttings:
H. callistophylla
H. finlaysonii
H. finlaysonni 'Ripple Leaf'
H. diptera
H. marcrophylla and
H. fungii
You are a sweetheart. I've sowed the seeds today, some in vermiculite and four went into little peat pods. I hope they germinate for me. I had received seeds of obovata two weeks ago and I'm still waiting to see green from those.
I'll post when I see sprouts. Again, my heartfelt thanks for the cuttings and seeds.

    Bookmark   August 18, 2011 at 5:15PM
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kidsandcats(7)

How nice! I hope you see some green on those seeds soon!

    Bookmark   August 18, 2011 at 7:00PM
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greedygh0st

I just wanted to post a quick update before I leave work to say that I did receive my seeds from Sue (t h a n k . y o u!), I finished potting them around 11PM on Wednesday and when I checked this morning, they were just starting to poke through the soil! YAY!

I wrote about it here if you to hear my long-winded ramble and see more pictures.

I will post more updates as they (hopefully) grow!

    Bookmark   August 26, 2011 at 6:19PM
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kidsandcats(7)

I got mine yesterday, and they are doing fine so far- they look like they are already starting to germinate! I'm so excited! Thanks so much, Sue!

    Bookmark   August 26, 2011 at 9:53PM
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ima_digger

I have to take a picture tomorrow. They are getting bigger. No true leaves yet, but they are reaching for the light.
How to we label these when they are little plantlets? Do we call them H. pachyclada or do we differentiate them somehow?
I know I'm looking far ahead, but I am being positive about these little sprouts.

    Bookmark   August 26, 2011 at 10:19PM
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suetran1(7NC)

I'm so happy that my babies got a new family, good mother, father whatever. The third pachyclada seed pod will open soon too.
Do you think you will give them a name, like Pachyclada junior? hehe...

    Bookmark   August 26, 2011 at 10:52PM
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gennykins(4)

Sue,

If you're looking for homes for your soon-to-be pachyclada II's (or would it be pachyclada I after jr?), I'd happy to take some. My e-mail is gpsvdjsv@yahoo.com. Thanks!

Lisa

    Bookmark   August 27, 2011 at 10:17AM
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greedygh0st

It's Day 5 and I have 17 babies! They all have names already. ^_^

    Bookmark   August 29, 2011 at 9:54PM
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mitzicos(11)

That is gorgeous!

Mitzi

    Bookmark   August 29, 2011 at 10:01PM
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mitzicos(11)

GG,

Do you want me to adopt some of your babies???? LOL

Mitzi

    Bookmark   August 29, 2011 at 10:17PM
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eileen44_gardener(4 Central Vermont)

GG!... They are so beautiful!... I have 4 and its just 4 days today.. after dropping the container, I'm so grateful to have these... they are tiny and not standing up yet.. I love how strong your babies are!... Congratulations! Eileen

    Bookmark   August 30, 2011 at 7:43AM
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puglvr1(9b central FL)

Very Cool! Super cute baby hoyas, great job sowing the seeds you guys! Best of luck...

    Bookmark   August 30, 2011 at 7:54AM
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greedygh0st

LOL Mitzi.

I was thinking it's too bad that the seeds are viable for such a short period b/c they would certainly be easy to travel with!

I told my guy that we would need a house with a giant patio by the time these guys are grown. Can you imagine if they all survive? We named almost all of them after family members (the remaining ones are named after the F4 and if you get that reference you are as big a dork as I am), so now how do I separate with any of them? I am such an idiot. /bangs head on desk

/Eileen.

It's so great that your overturned container didn't amount to too much of a tragedy. There might be more still trying to make their way to the surface. Isn't it crazy to imagine these little green bits transforming into something as substantial as Hoya pachyclada?

I'm pretty worried about winter, so I hope they grow fast. I've finally gotten the knack of growing my original pachyclada cutting, but what about little babies? Should they also be allowed to dry out? I guess I'll be able to judge better when I see what size they are at that point.

    Bookmark   August 30, 2011 at 12:14PM
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RainforestGuy

When sending seeds in the mail, be sure to wrap the seeds in a donut of corrugated cardboard with the donut hole center cut out. The postal service sends mail through heavy rolling machines that will flatten your seeds in an envelope like pressed oatmeal.
You can devise other means to secure and protect seeds by placing seeds in between cut out spaces between heavier paper, cardboard, etc.

    Bookmark   August 30, 2011 at 2:23PM
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mdahms1979

RFG I had that very thing happen with some rather expensive South African bulb and succulent seeds, crushed into dust.
Bubble mailers are well worth the expense.

Mike

    Bookmark   August 30, 2011 at 2:36PM
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suetran1(7NC)

I sent them with the air- bubble wrap, I think they are alright.
Thanks you for all advices.

    Bookmark   August 30, 2011 at 4:32PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Hiya Suetran,

If you're still looking for homes for the next Pachyclada seed pod, may I get on line please?

How much postage have folks been sending you on the envelopes? Thanks,

(PG) Karen

    Bookmark   August 30, 2011 at 5:12PM
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postpunkgirl(7b Texas)

I would be happy to send postage too! Love all the pictures of momma AND babies!

Sara/postpunkgirl

    Bookmark   August 30, 2011 at 7:19PM
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suetran1(7NC)

Hi Karen
If you want, you will be the fourth in the waiting list. It will be regular stamped envelope ($.44 cents)
My third seed pod will be open this week. After that, it will be no more. Each seed pod have about 40 seeds. I think will be enough for more people, off course we share!!
send me email so I can send back my address.
suetran1@hotmail.com

    Bookmark   August 30, 2011 at 7:25PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Thanks so much Sue, I'll EMail you in the morning.

BTW, I forgot to say that photo of the seed pod split open is a superb photo, just so cool to see that. Well done!

    Bookmark   August 30, 2011 at 10:41PM
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kidsandcats(7)

My cam is being a pain, so I can't post any pics ATM, but I have 14 babies coming up! I'm so excited! They are not standing up yet- I got mine several days after GG, so I figure they are doing ok(just like parents comparing their babies, right? lol) at this point. I don't know what I'm going to do with them all! I am certainly NOT going to give one to my MIL, she killed a philodendron, for goodness' sake! lol(She doesn't take direction very well, to say the least. So I'm definitely going to want to find someone knowledgeable on Hoyas if all of these make it!)

    Bookmark   August 31, 2011 at 12:51PM
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RainforestGuy

Hoya seeds needs light for germination. Give them good light and they won't stretch as they germinate. Start the liquid feed process early in life and transplant them as soon as their second set of true leaves develop. Try 2 inch rose pots (deeper than wide) and you can add a few grains of osmocote to allow a constant feed. Keep seedling active and growing so they bust out of the seedling stage and become more robust plants. Good signs include opposite leaves, immature development suggests leaves that are alternate. This means that you need to step up your fertilizing and light regime a bit. As soon as they are doing well, I usually top them to prevent a single lanky vine. Topping also encourages side branching and the development of side shoots and later, multiple flowering. besides if you ever decide to trade/sell a cutting of it, I would imagine that you won't cut the main terminal off, but a side branch. I usually continue to tip prune (meaning just use your fingers and break just the growing tip). Doing this often leads to a bushy well developed plant. Keep your plants in as small a pot as possible. this will encourage flowering at an early age. I used to grow seedlings in cell trays and even stunt them to flower in there. It was impossible to remove the plants from the cell trays, but you can always take woody cuttings from it.

    Bookmark   August 31, 2011 at 2:01PM
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stevenwayne(6 sw)

Thanks sue for the seeds unfortunately half or more where crushed I plated the ones that didn't look like they where ill let u know if any germinate

    Bookmark   August 31, 2011 at 3:20PM
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ima_digger

I have 10 little seedlings but they are almost three inches tall with just one set of leaves so far. They are under lights, but maybe not close enouth to them. I guess as soon as they have the next set of leaves I'm going to have to put them into a deep pot. The only pot I can think of is a yogurt pot. They are about the right height, but kind of wide for such a little thing. Anyone have suggestions on what to ues for them?

    Bookmark   August 31, 2011 at 3:22PM
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golden_ca_2000(BC Canada)

Well you could get some plastic drink cups.. I use them for starting my cuttings because they are clear plastic and then you can actually see the roots .... Before planting my soil in the cups - I use my husbands soldering pen thingy and burnt (melted) holes in the bottom of the cups... works good!
Very nice to see you all received some nice seeds and are having such good luck with them - I would like to try growing some seeds sometime too...

    Bookmark   August 31, 2011 at 4:05PM
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ima_digger

I have the 3oz. solo cups, but I don't think they are tall enough. These seedlings are stretching toward the light. I've moved them up a little higher and see how it goes.

    Bookmark   August 31, 2011 at 7:24PM
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Mairzy_Dotes(zone 10)

You can use the little clear plastic drink cups (approx 6 0z)they sell for picnics, etc. I burn maybe 4 or 5 holes in the bottom & a couple in the sides. Put about an inch or 2 of perilite in the bottom & then some good potting soil (avoid the big chuncky stuff that we use for the older plants & use just nice rich potting soil mixed with about half perilite. Keep them just moist until they get going & have lots of roots then you can treat them like your other small plants.
I put all the little cups together in a tray with about an inch of perilite in the bottom & I let that stay fairly moist too. You can cover it with a clear dome if you are keeping them outside & they might dry out too fast.
I'm sure there are lots of other ways too. Some people start out with those little 2 in square pots. Anyway you do it... Good luck.

    Bookmark   September 1, 2011 at 1:06AM
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greedygh0st

/RFG.

Thanks so much for all the tips. They are of great benefit. I feel better prepared now.

    Bookmark   September 1, 2011 at 3:18PM
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stevenwayne(6 sw)

Well my one seedlings that germinated. Got eaten by what since its in the house Grr anyone have any extra seedlings that are large enough to trade

    Bookmark   September 6, 2011 at 8:55PM
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alba_gardener

Hi Sue,
I'm getting excited , can't wait to get my baby seeds!!
alba in Hawthorne

    Bookmark   September 6, 2011 at 11:24PM
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RainforestGuy

What ever you do, don't give each seedling a new name. More confusion to be had for the next group of hoya enthusiasts!

    Bookmark   September 7, 2011 at 1:57AM
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eileen44_gardener(4 Central Vermont)

I have to shout that after my clumsy drop of my carefully planted seeds, I now have 4 lovelies growing!... I am excited.. the tallest one is 2 inches and the other 3 are just under that. I still have them on the kitchen counter under a lamp w/CFL bulb.. they are stretching a bit.. I raised them up as much as possible.. the edge of the shade restricts me from going any higher.. but they are about 7 inches +/- below. They look like tiny, lanky, green "swans" with their little heads bowed down just awakening! The taller one has shed its seed "jacket".. the others are still working on that.. But OMG I am so excited.. truly afraid to do anything more than gently add water as the soil seems to need it.. (with a tsp..so as not to knock them down).. bigger challenges coming... moving to my apt in 2 weeks.. so thought of hiring an armored car to transport them!.. and then... the transplanting !... so please bear with me... my obsession with delicacy of handling... and my overall mothering!.. I am brand new to this!... I want them all to survive.. I've actually sort of named them (can't believe I just said that)collectively for the 4 towns in Vermont in the area surrounding me, that suffered so much loss and destruction from Irene... and how each little isolated "world" is pulling together to get back up!... so to Rochester, Mendon, Pittsfield and Killington, Vermont.... and the others of course... BRAVO... Thanks Sue for sending me these seeds.. and thanks to everyone here who offers their suggestions and support!.. Eileen!
PS: I did order a T5 light "fixture" from HTL (don't have the name in front of me) and it is due to arrive today..though I won't be able to actually utilize it until I move.. but if my little guys/gals survive til then... they'll have better lighting!...

    Bookmark   September 7, 2011 at 8:03AM
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mitzicos(11)

Hi everybody,

How are the pachyclada seeds development?

I received mine last week, it took too long to arrive due to Post Office strike, I hope they germinate, thank you so much Sue, sorry that I didn't thank you before but this is the third week that I'm in hospital with my husband and I'm very nervous and sad........

Mitzi

    Bookmark   October 31, 2011 at 8:52AM
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suetran1(7NC)

Hi Mitzi
Sorry to heard that, I hope your husband get well soon.

All my babies already have a new family all over the world, Israel, Brazil, Italy.
I'm wonder what language they will speak...lol
I found those leaves did not have the same form like mother plant, maybe they are still too young?

    Bookmark   October 31, 2011 at 5:22PM
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mitzicos(11)

Hi Sue,

They are just great, thank you for the pictures!

Maybe the leaf is different because it is a child yet!!!

Tomorrow I'm going home to water my plants and will check if the seeds germinated, I hope they did, I'm very curious... How long did yours seeds took to germinate?

Mitzi

    Bookmark   October 31, 2011 at 6:05PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Hello everybody,

My seeds sprouted in 4 days, on my kitchen table, caught a few days of direct sun, last couple of 80 degree days.

So it's post-Northeaster here in NYC, my seedlings are several inches tall, in a clamshell type arrangement. Am still having camera problems, but I'll post pix when it becomes possible.

Am pleased to report that of the 14 seeds Sue shared, 12 had sprouted. I'll check again tonight when I get home, have to remember to move them away from the windows in suddenly wintry NYC.

Eileen, sometimes the less one handles things the better (the seedlings in particular). You might consider watering them w/ a mister, I mist around the outer edge of container so as not to disrupt anything w/ a spray of water.

(Now if I could just take my own advise & leave the container alone, but really I'm moving into the sun when there is any & now away from the colder windows, unless I decide that the heat from the radiator may be of help. ... sigh)

Oi Mitzi,

Maybe it's not too late w/ the seeds, pls. DO try them, you never know.

Am so sorry to hear about your husband in the Hospital, may he get better soon.

    Bookmark   October 31, 2011 at 6:28PM
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eileen44_gardener(4 Central Vermont)

My little ones have now gone from 4 to 2... probably too much "mothering"... but the 2 are looking fine... if being tall and scraggly with only 2 leaves is the right look... since they germinated on Aug 26!... they are still growing, though I think slowly... put them in whatever sunlight may be coming through the window... but otherwise they get light from the cfl lamp sitting above them on a glass shelf.. (the top of 3 glass shelves of my bakers rack... full of green and growing lovelies)... so my only question now is: is it possible they will never get their true leaves and are therefore doomed to go the way of the others? thanks for your caring advice! Eileen in Vermont ps.. I have once in a while given them a bit of weakened seaweed fertilizer... they are under a plastic bag... maybe my soil is too heavy for the teenie tiny roots?

    Bookmark   October 31, 2011 at 6:58PM
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RainforestGuy

H. pachyclada needs to be grown hard. That means high light, dry conditions (it grows as a lithophyte or epiphyte) and good air circulation. All the ingredients for making a succulent hoya.

The next time you have seeds, try sprouting them on a piece of fern totem (as you would tillandsia seeds) or fern chunk. Provide humidity and as they grow, watch how they cling to the fern substrate and mist with dilute seaweed or peter's and watch them grow.

    Bookmark   November 1, 2011 at 1:19AM
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suetran1(7NC)

RFG, thanks
I did not think for this, I will pull out some of these babies and grow it on the tree fern piece.
I did do for the big piece, like this one, just 2 month ago.

    Bookmark   November 1, 2011 at 10:51AM
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mitzicos(11)

Dear Sue,

Today I went home to check my plants and water them and look what happened to the seeds you sent me:

Aren't them beautiful? I'm very glad, I hope them all became a perfect pachycladas................

Mitzi from Brazil

    Bookmark   November 1, 2011 at 2:17PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Hi Mitzi,

That's that's just how mine, except that mine are now about 3" tall, but pale green just like yours, mine are holding their little seed covers up top their stem, except for those that have pushed through their first pair of leaves.

Very cute, boa sorte!!!

    Bookmark   November 1, 2011 at 3:44PM
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ruffi72

Hi :))))
are not beautiful?

thank's Sue Italia have your seeds too :)))

    Bookmark   November 1, 2011 at 4:24PM
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suetran1(7NC)

Wow, we are big family now.. ye..ha!!

Mitzi
I was cared that your seeds can not sprout, because it took so long to go. I'm very happy now.

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mitzicos(11)

Thank you very much Sue............ I'm very happy and will be teaching Portuguese for them!!!

Hi PG, thanks for the good luck (boa sorte), if possible please show us your babies...........

Mitzi from Brazil

    Bookmark   November 1, 2011 at 4:53PM
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eileen44_gardener(4 Central Vermont)

Good job every one... love those pics!... Please pray for my skinny ones!... LOL

    Bookmark   November 1, 2011 at 6:24PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Hi Ruffi,

I hope you understand enough English to understand this but: pls. cover those seedlings or they will dry out & die.

Note that Mitzi's mix is clearly moist, mine at home (not pictured) is also covered & kept moist.

Mitzi,

I need to go talk to the camera guys & then I'll take some pix.

    Bookmark   November 1, 2011 at 6:47PM
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suetran1(7NC)

Pirate girl was right,
Ruffi: your seedling look dry, if they have a lot of sun, water more often. Capiche?

    Bookmark   November 1, 2011 at 6:56PM
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greedygh0st

Well, due to my family emergencies, I had to be out of town for about a week and a half. My Hoyas toughed it just fine because it was Fall and most of them were slowing down. However my seedlings, even though they were covered, and I had a coworker stop by to water them once, were all dried up when I returned. :(

It was so devastated. I can't even tell you how excited I had been about those baby pachycladas. I'd even given them each nicknames, like a box full of puppies. :( When it rains it pours, right?

But I watered them anyway, just in case, and a few days later, a few of them sprang back up from the grave somehow. And they are still alive. So, my pachy family has been greatly diminished but I am fighting tooth and nail to give them the perfect conditions to strengthen. I'll try and post pictures soon. Not that they're doing anything interesting yet lol. They're just hanging in there.

Good job everyone! This isn't the easiest thing in the world to pull off, but I believe in us! :)

    Bookmark   November 2, 2011 at 12:46PM
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ruffi72

uaooooo Pirate girl and Sue :)
my english it's very bad,right? :)))))
but dont' worry I understand, my seeds are covered, but maybe are too dry,rigth? I'll give theyr more water,I'm afraid to give too much water.....

    Bookmark   November 2, 2011 at 2:31PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

No, don't give them more water.

Cover them better so they don't dry out. The mix looks completely dried out.

    Bookmark   November 2, 2011 at 3:10PM
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mitzicos(11)

Hi GG,

I'm very sorry for the emergency in your family! I'm facing the same problem here, my husband is very sick at hospital, and he is so young, only 34 years old, I'm devastated! Yesterday I went home and most of my hoyas are ok, but some aren't, I lost 3 or 4 I think, don't know why, they just gone! At this moment the hoyas are my only hapiness, I'm glad that some of your babies still alive, hope they develop strong and fast. My babies are ok too, hope they still doing well because I spent most of the time at hospital, going home only once in a week!

Ruffi: My English is so poor too, but I think I make my self understandable...... LOL, I learned a lot of words here is this forum, words like pod, pollination, and so many others, but sometimes I read a lot of things that I have no idea what they are talking about LOL.................

Mitzi from Brazil

    Bookmark   November 3, 2011 at 8:07AM
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greedygh0st

Mitzi. I'm so sorry to hear about your husband. I truly hope he recovers soon. It's so hard when you are already feeling powerless to help someone you love and then your plants start sickening on you too. And then you're almost too worn out to even care, and that feels worst of all. Thanks for the well wishes about my baby Pachys :) They are fighters and I know yours are too.

I don't know how you keep up with all the translating, especially with long-winded people like me. You're definitely always understandable, though, and I love having people like you and Ruffi here with us to expand our perspective. ^_^

    Bookmark   November 3, 2011 at 1:56PM
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ima_digger

Mitzi, I'm sorry to hear about your husband's illness. I hope he recovers soon. I'm saying prayers for him to get well quickly.

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ruffi72

fantasmino goloso... >_some translate google and some translate I :)
sorry I'm a disaster :'(

    Bookmark   November 3, 2011 at 4:32PM
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greedygh0st

/Ruffi LOL! fantasmino goloso. My name is a little weird. :P

traduzione � difficile... Non preoccuparti: In bocca a lupo, e divertiti! (translation?)

@_@

    Bookmark   November 3, 2011 at 4:50PM
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mitzicos(11)

Thank you everyone who wishes the best for my husband, he still fighting I still at hospital.

Yesterday I went home to see my plants and pachyclada is getting bigger, probably love the Brazilian weather!!! I didn't take any picture because I was in a hurry, had to come back to hospital. But will try to make some pictures to post here regarding the pachyclada development!

They are doing really good here!

Mitzi

    Bookmark   November 5, 2011 at 2:24PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Hi All,

My camera's back in action, so I'm back. Say hello to my H. Pachylada seedlings courtesy of SueTran.

Planted on 10/7 & I recall noting they took 4 days to sprout. So they're a bit more than 3 weeks old.

I await their second pair of leaves.

    Bookmark   November 5, 2011 at 3:39PM
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puglvr1(9b central FL)

Congrats PG!! They look GREAT!

    Bookmark   November 5, 2011 at 5:10PM
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eileen44_gardener(4 Central Vermont)

Very nice Pug!... and healthy.. I have to ask again here, is it possible that some seedlings never get their 2nd set of leaves? I'm still hoping... and my seeds were planted end of Aug!... IS THERE HOPE OR NO?

Mitzi... Prayers for your husband... and you.. Eileen

    Bookmark   November 5, 2011 at 8:50PM
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suetran1(7NC)

Eileen, I don't think so. Now is winter, so they will grow slower, try to put them in high light and warm place, have enough humidity ( I covered them with plastic bag with some holes on top)

Pirate girl, thanks you for take a good care of my babies.
sue

    Bookmark   November 5, 2011 at 9:09PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Thanks for the good words everybody, am excited to see my little seedlings doing nicely.

(I may struggle to find some bottom heat for them, but I did discover my stove top stays warmish, it's just away from the sunlight.)

Thank YOU Sue for sharing your seeds w/ us all so generously!

    Bookmark   November 7, 2011 at 6:33PM
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Mairzy_Dotes(zone 10)

My seeds are all doing great now under lights in a large aquarium with other cuttings. I have bottom heat on it also. However, Pirate Girl...I don't think I would move them to the stove if there is not a lot of light there. They seem to really need the light more. When I had mine just sitting by a window, they would stretch wayyyy out toward the light (window) and almost lay down. I had to keep turning the dish. Mine still hve just 2 leaves also but seem healthy.

    Bookmark   November 7, 2011 at 10:16PM
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eileen44_gardener(4 Central Vermont)

Marcy... my two surviving seedlings (planted on 8/26!) have been covered with a plastic bag and all the things that seemed important... but today is about day #4 or 5 that we've had wonderful sun for most and sometimes all of the day... so I moved the lanky little babes into my bedroom where they would get more of the afternoon sun, even though its quite angled and the room is much cooler esp at night.. I also lifted off the plastic bag, and folded a paper towel in half twice, which it then fits the bottom of the plastic container (which contains the 2 little yogurt cups each with a babe)... I wet this paper towel lightly and put it under the yogurt containers.. so... less water which is really not needed in the actual planted containers but still humidity... replaced the plastic bag; so now in the sun... and the warmth... and condensation/humidity inside the bag.. OMG... I can see microscopic second (true) leaves coming out!... I am over the top with joy... I think there is hope!...so my newbie experience is warm sun and humidity!... they're still lanky but hopefully they'll grow out of that... I'm so excited!... of course tomorrow... rain and maybe some snow showers... not sure when we'll see the sun again, but my 4 ft long T5 light is finally "set up" sitting inside my 3 ft plant shelving... but.. everyone in there so far looks happy... temp 78; humidity between 50 and 70%!... esp higher after the lights are off all night and the entire setup is covered... big white tablecloth and some of the plastic covering that came with the shelf... ok...sorry ... this message is too long... just .. you know... thank you Sue for sharing ... I will continue to be mother hen...Eileen

    Bookmark   November 9, 2011 at 6:09PM
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mitzicos(11)

Hi everybody,

How are you pachyclada's babies doing?

If possible, please post some pictures, I'd love to see them.

I'll try to post some updated pictures for you all.

Mitzi

    Bookmark   November 21, 2011 at 1:39PM
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cyclonenat

Do you think the seeds will make it to NZ

    Bookmark   November 21, 2011 at 2:34PM
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mitzicos(11)

Cyclonenat,

If NZ means New Zeland, I think so.

I'm in Brazil and the seeds took a month to arrive here, and some more days to be in soil, because I was at hospital with my husband, they survived and germinated pretty well.

Mitzi

    Bookmark   November 22, 2011 at 6:13AM
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cyclonenat

How would i pay for postage though?

    Bookmark   November 22, 2011 at 8:48PM
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suetran1(7NC)

Hi Cyclonenat
I have no more Patchy seed, but will have Fungii seeds soon, don't know when it will open.

For the postage, you can send some KIWI for me....lol. Just kidding!

You can ask Denis of this post 'omg!!!!' for Patchy seeds.

suetran1@hotmail.com

    Bookmark   November 22, 2011 at 9:11PM
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Mairzy_Dotes(zone 10)

I think all the pachyclada seeds have already been distributed around & are growing up. You may have to wait until next season to get any seeds of that.

    Bookmark   November 22, 2011 at 9:11PM
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kathybennie(5 Colorado Springs)

My Hoya Pachys are thriving with second leaves and one looks like it is varigated unless it is just turning yellow??...been so-ooo much fun watching them grow up...a little more every week.
pictures soon (my computer on fritz)
Thanks again, Sue!! You made winter growing fun!!

    Bookmark   November 22, 2011 at 10:06PM
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cyclonenat

cool ill keep a watch out next time when seeds are posted, would you want me to send some money for postage?

    Bookmark   November 22, 2011 at 10:50PM
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alba_gardener

Hi Everyone,
Haven't posted in a while...I've been getting myself back on track after losing my mother-in-law, my daughter and then my adorable Chica Boom Boom. I'd like to thank all of you who posted such kind words, it really helped.
Well,Sue mailed me some Pachyclada seeds and I never got them! I was so looking forward to some babies. And I read that some of those seeds made it Brazil ( Hi Mitzi). I wonder where my little babies went.... Well, I'm waiting for the next time Sue has Pachyclada seeds.
Sue did I read you have Fungii(sp?) seeds ???? I'll e-mail you, and thanks for being such a sweetie and sharing your hoya babies with us.
alba in Hawthorne,CA

    Bookmark   November 29, 2011 at 3:25AM
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mitzicos(11)

Hi everyone,

My pachyclada seeds are doing fine, I'm unable to take pictures, my husband still at hospital, and things are really difficult around here!

Hi Alba, I hope you get better asap, I know how sad you must be with all your casualty.

This is very interesting, your seeds never arrived and you are so closer to them, and they made all the way to Brazil!

As soon as possible I'll post some pictures, whenever things return to its normal way! Praying for that!!!!!!!!!!!

Mitzi

    Bookmark   November 29, 2011 at 11:29AM
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cyclonenat

can anyone share some seeds with me please i know its a risk

    Bookmark   November 29, 2011 at 2:16PM
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pirate_girl(Zone7 NYC)

Hi Cyclonenat,

Aren't you outside the USA? Your member page doesn't say, (but I seem to recall NZ?)

Not sure it's OK to send seeds to other countries, if you are outside the USA, could you pls. find this out?

Besides, just now we're headed into Winter, likely seeds are finishing for this year (at least on the East Coast), best wait 'til next year I'm guessing.

    Bookmark   November 29, 2011 at 3:40PM
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alba_gardener

Hi Mitzi,
Can you believe that you got your Pachyclada seeds and mine got lost ..??? Your babies seem to be doing great. I'm still getting myself back on track after losing so many loved ones..I know it takes time..but it's difficult.I've posted on your facebook wall, but haven't heard from you. I'm so sorry to hear about your husband, hope he gets better very soon.
If you ever make it back to LA call me so we can have "lunch."I'm going to visit your aunt....soon.
alba in Hawthorne, CA

    Bookmark   November 30, 2011 at 12:10AM
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mitzicos(11)

Hi Alba,

I havent't seen your post on my facebook. I will return to LA but just don't know when, but for sure I'll be in touch.

My husband has a very rare disease called WHIPPLE disease, around 1.777 hundreds people has this disease, can you believe that? We have no idea where he got it (it is a bacteria)he almost died, but know he is getting better because he is doing the correct treatment. My aunt's name is Daltiva, and I think you'll like her!

Mitzi in Brazil

    Bookmark   November 30, 2011 at 5:00AM
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Ament(5a SD)

Mitzi,

Sorry to hear about your DH, grateful they found out what was wrong and are treating him! XoXo Send him a get well and a hug! Hugs for you too dear! =)

~Tina

    Bookmark   November 30, 2011 at 12:37PM
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ima_digger

Mitzi, I almost fell off my chair when I saw what your husband was diagnosed with. My father died from Whipple's Disease in 1961. At that time the doctors weren't sure what was wrong with him. For about two years before the diarrhea started, he was having problems with arthritis of his wrists and ankles. They treated him with large doses of asprin. It wasn't until 1961 that they finally found out what was wrong. For him it was too late. They put him on gluten free diets and tried other diets as well. He went from weighing over 200 lbs. down to 70 lbs. when he passed away.
Thru the yearss they have made great progress in treating this very rare disease. Please remember that I will pray for your husband's quick recovery. Keep positive and you boths will get thru this trying time. God Bless!!

    Bookmark   November 30, 2011 at 3:02PM
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mitzicos(11)

Thank you Tina and Ima

Although they know a little bit more about this disease, it is a serious disease because when you discover what you have the damage is already done in your body! He lost a lot of weight, he is very weak now, having so many complications.... but I'm sure he will recover, he is young (34 years) so he has great possibility to recover. This is a very strang disease! He treated for several years his disease as an arthritis!!!! And this is very common in patients with Whipple, they only discover the disease when other symptoms appears after several years of wrong treatment.

Ima does your father lived in rural zone (countryside)???? The prevalence of this disease is among farmers suggesting that it could be a zoonosis.

Just for curiosity my husband never had diarrhea, he had lymphadenopathy and abdominal pain and cramps besides the arthritis!

Thank you very much

Mitzi from Brazil

    Bookmark   December 1, 2011 at 9:38AM
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Ament(5a SD)

Yikes!

Well, I am grateful it wasn't as long as mine took. The dr's took 9 yrs to diagnose me. Fibromyalgia. Miserable wretches. I even had dr's try and tell me it was all in my head! LOL buggers! IBS TMJ Migraines, aches and pains, sharp hurts, throbbing pains, ringing in my ear, not sleeping, restless legs just to name some of it! It's crazy really. Because if you read up on Fibromyalgia, many of these symptoms are right there plain as day. Made me want to scream at the Dr's. Which doesn't do one bit of good. =)

Thankfully your DH has a fairly good chance now, I read up on Whipple last night. Rotten disease, deadly if not caught and treated, but survivable if treated! Which is a very good thing for him. Now that they know what he has, if he has flare-ups, they know exactly what to do. Please be sure to keep us updated on his progress Mitzi.

Hugs to you and your hubby

~Tina

    Bookmark   December 1, 2011 at 2:20PM
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ima_digger

Mitzi, my father was in the U.S. Marine Corps., for 25 years. He was at Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941. He had traveled to many countries during his time in the service. In the beginning, they treated him for arthritis, but when he started with the diarrhea, they thought maybe he had sprue, or some other 'foriegn' disease that he caught in another country. Unfortunatley, by the time they figured out what he had, it was too late. At that time, there were only about a dozen cases known.
Praying for your hubby for a quick recovery.

    Bookmark   December 2, 2011 at 3:51PM
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alba_gardener

Mitzi,
I will let you know when I go downtown to meet your aunt, I'm looking forward to meeting her.
I posted on FB this evening because you posted in Brazilian and I kind of made out what you were expressing. It has to be so very difficult for you, trying to handle everything in your life when your dear husband is so ill. But know that your always in my thoughts and I'm sending you and your huband love and strength .
Your friend,
Alba in Hawthorne,CA

    Bookmark   December 3, 2011 at 9:48PM
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greedygh0st

Mitzi, I'm very happy to hear your husband's condition is being correctly addressed. Don't forget to take care of yourself too. Family and friends always push themselves to the limits in these situations, but you need support for what you're going through just like he does. We're all rooting for you both!

Ima, I'm very sorry to hear about what you went through with your father. How wonderful that you are here to support Mitzi with your experiences.

Tina, there's nothing like going through an illness where no one knows exactly how to combat your symptoms. I'm glad no one is telling you you're crazy anymore!

    Bookmark   December 6, 2011 at 2:34PM
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mitzicos(11)

Hi my friends,

My husband is at home already, after two months at hospital!

Now we have a very long journey to cross! I'm completely stressed and tired, many things to do at same time, including my job!!!! But greatly he is improving!

Ima, here where I live (Sao Paulo) we have no idea how my husband got this disease, there is only few cases registered in Brazil (less than 10)! He also soffered from arthritis, like your father, and he treated this disease for 8 years, this was the only symptom he had besides the fever and lost a lot of weight, till the final diagnostic last month! In Brazil this disease is very very rare, and they don't have much to inform us, all I got was studies from other countries like Germany, Argentina and US, I'm getting expert on this disease now! But all the literature shows that most of the people with this disease are or were farmers, and my husband has a farm in the South of Brazil, where he lived for 18 years, he was a farmer!!!! Very strange! Some studies suggest that everybory has this bacteria in their body but for some reason only few people contract the disease due to a problem at their immune system, but this is not proven yet.

Thank you everyone for the good wishes, this makes the difference! I only know Alba, which I had the great pleasure to meet when I was in LA, but all of you are in my mind always. Thank you for the friendship.

Mitzi from Brazil

    Bookmark   December 12, 2011 at 4:41AM
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greedygh0st

So glad to hear your husband is improving, Mitzi! You are both so lucky to have received a correct diagnosis for this rare disease. I've known several people to be diagnosed (perhaps incorrectly) with arthritis at a young age and living with those symptoms is no walk in the park - hopefully all that is behind him now!

Now I'm kind of scared of farms. >_> Which is tough luck for me since I'm going home for Christmas to one. Luckily I'll be doing more drinking than farming. :X

    Bookmark   December 12, 2011 at 2:57PM
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ima_digger

Mitzi, glad to hear your husband is home. It' looks like you are learning quite a lot about this terrible disease. It is very good to be informed. I hope you and your husband have a Merry Christmas, and a Healthy Happy New Year.

    Bookmark   December 12, 2011 at 3:04PM
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mitzicos(11)

Thank you all!

He is improving for sure and I'm getting expert on this disease, even doctors ask me about the latest studies that I have read!

GG don't worry about farms! It was one case in billions of people that live in farms, he probably has an immune (deficiency) problem, it is not proved but it seems everybody has this bacteria in its intestinal flora, but some develop the disease while most of the people doens't!

Mitzi

    Bookmark   December 13, 2011 at 4:10AM
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greedygh0st

Thanks Mitzi ^_^ I will be okay. It's hard to remember to be scared when you're drinking hot cocoa with fresh Jersey milk.

I also think it's awesome that you have become so well read on this disease. You really go at life full throttle.

    Bookmark   December 13, 2011 at 12:00PM
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