Have you looked at the way schools are built?

agnespuffinJanuary 18, 2013

I got to looking at the schools in our area and trying to figure out how many men it would take to "protect" the children there.

Especially that three story one with the long halls. How long would it take one man to run the length of the hall, maybe even run down two flights of step?

Look around at your schools and see how many police we would have to hire.

The days of the one-room school house are long gone.

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david52_gw

The high school I attended had 3,000 kids, three stories high, built in a 'U' shape, and you really had to hustle to get from one class to another in what ever time it was they allowed between classes.

I have no idea how many doors there were. But plenty.

    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 12:21AM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

The replacement campuses that went up around here awhile back look pretty complex. They also look a lot more interesting. My high school, for instance, now seems a bit dreadful when recalled in comparison to what they replaced it with.

Having no business there, I have not been inside to see how it might serve as a possible indoor shooting range or what kind of security measures are being taken.

    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 2:32PM
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adoptedbyhounds

Times have changed, and the needs for security have changed as well. Cameras in halls and classrooms would go a long way toward making schools safer. They can do more than track who is in what corridor. Cameras can catch students skipping class, making subtle threats to others, intimidating others, touching others, provoking others, even stealing from others. Some students who demand to be allowed to "go to the restroom" (often with parental support) really to wander halls, peek in other classrooms, meet up with friends, make phone calls, set up drug deals by phone/text, sell drugs in person, or grab a smoke. Cameras should be a priority for every school district that doesn't have them already, in my opinion.

    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 3:57PM
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david52_gw

Armed guards, continually under camera surveillance, student id badges, random drug testing, and to top it all off, dumb tests for No Child Left Behind.

Thats not science fiction.

    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 5:01PM
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jillinnj

Some students who demand to be allowed to "go to the restroom" (often with parental support) really to wander halls, peek in other classrooms, meet up with friends, make phone calls, set up drug deals by phone/text, sell drugs in person, or grab a smoke.

I don't understand. What child needs their parent's permission to go to the restroom in school? And are you saying students should not be allowed to to to the restroom during school unless there are cameras to make sure that's where they go?

Do you think the majority of children that "demand" to be allowed to go to the bathroom are not really going to the bathroom?

    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 5:51PM
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ohiomom

Exactly David ... except it is not science fiction, it is conservatives who "hate big government" advocating that our children (and us) live under a government-controlled police state.

No thank you...

    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 6:40PM
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momj47(7A)

In days of yore, when the built schools, getting kids away from mass murderers wasn't really considered a priority.

Less government, but more surveillance - who, exactly will be monitoring those cameras and who will be armed? Certainly not the government, you want less government.

You can't have it both ways.

Except that what you conservatives really want is a fascist government, you just haven't figured that out yet. At least not the run-of-the-mill conservatives. You can bet those at the top have, and are drooling over the thought.

And this is a good strategy - start with the youngest, get them lulled into accepting government surveillance and control over every aspect of their lives, and it should only take a generation or two, at most, before everyone falls into line. Not as fast as Hitler or Mussolini, but just as effective, in the long run.

This post was edited by momj47 on Sat, Jan 19, 13 at 19:10

    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 7:07PM
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fouquieria(10b)

I live on a hillside and I'm fairly close to the top. At night you can hear the guns going off. Usually they're either huntin' for coyotes or illegals.

-Ron-

    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 7:29PM
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don_socal

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    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 8:27PM
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fouquieria(10b)

They're going to have to factor in the cost of an armory room and munitions specialist now.

-Ron-

    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 8:34PM
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ohiomom

They're going to have to factor in the cost of an armory room and munitions specialist now.
-Ron-

....and snipers on the roof, what is a well-armed fortress without that? I also think it is a good idea to insert microchips in the citizenry, for their safety of course.

We are already well on our way to a surveillance state, whats a few more tweaks here and there.

    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 9:04PM
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mylab123(z5NW)

Quit trying to muddy the waters: anyone with a brain knows that the only, best way to protect the school kids is by stationing an armed guard at every school...we can work out these nit-picking details once we have that pistol strapped to the hip of some minimum wage earner who is eager to draw that gun and catch himself a real live mass murderer.

    Bookmark   January 19, 2013 at 11:00PM
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epiphyticlvr

Armed guards or even microchipping won't protect children or anyone from idiots like this.

Mom takes rap in school gun scare for older child: cops

The mother of a Queens second-grader whose backpack held a handgun and ammunition clip likely took the fall for one of her older sons, a cop source said Friday.

Investigators were looking to speak with the boy's 21-year-old brother, who has a criminal record, police sources said.

Deborah Farley, 53, was arraigned Friday night on charges including criminal possession of a weapon and endangering the welfare of a child and was unable to post her $35,000 bail.

Farley told detectives she had purchased the gun so she could protect herself from hooligans in her building's hallway and placed the pistol in her 7-year-old son's backpack - which led to a lockdown Thursday at Wave Preparatory Elementary School, authorities said.

But the boy's father, Walter Orozo, said the young boy likely wanted the weapon for protection from schoolyard bullies.

"He was afraid for his life," Orozo said of his son. "He was afraid to go to school. The kids were picking and picking on him, but the school wouldn't do anything to protect him."

Orozo, 55, said he didn't know how the child acquired the .22-caliber gun or the ammo, but he believes the boy went gun-shopping in self-defense.

"My wife, she complained to the school, but the school wouldn't protect him," Orozo griped.

Farley claimed she didn't realize the boy brought the weapon, a flare gun and bullets into the school building until about two hours after she dropped him off at 7:30 a.m., police said Friday.

Her attorney, John Scarpa Jr., said Farley lives in a dangerous area. Asked why she left a gun in her son's backpack, Scarpa said, "She was extremely tired. She was trying to hide it. If you're really tired and stressed and afraid you make mistakes."

Here is a link that might be useful: source

    Bookmark   January 20, 2013 at 12:01AM
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Brushworks Spectacular Finishes(5)

How do you propose to protect the black and brown kids in Chicago? The black and brown kids have been dying in Chicago and other cities for many years, but there's been none, or very little discussion in Washington until the Newtown shootings.

We need to stop looking at our own lily white schools and ask why we haven't been outraged about the inner city schools. You know, where the kids don't have a future.

Chicago is Obama's hometown, but he never mentioned the children killed there.

In 2010, nearly 700 Chicago school children were shot and 66 of them died. Last year, Mayor Rahm Emanuel attended a memorial for 260 school children who had been killed in just the previous three years. On several occasions in the past year, tens of people have been shot in a single weekend on the streets of the city. The worst three-day stretch saw 10 killed and 37 wounded in gun fire. But Google the term "Chicago weekend shootings" and the results are far too many deadly weekends to count.

Why? Is it because the children who die on the streets of America�s cities are black and brown? Is it because they are poor? What makes the victims of everyday inner-city gun violence expendable?

I think so! Nobody mentions that the children who die in cities like Chicago were robbed of their futures.

Guns are banned in Chicago.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2013 at 5:39AM
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jmc01

Guns are NOT banned by law in Chicago.

Brushworks, You say "Chicago is Obama's hometown, but he never mentioned the children killed there."

Guess you missed this just a few days ago:

"The right to worship freely and safely, that right was denied to Sikhs in
Oak Creek, Wisconsin. The right to assemble peaceably, that right was denied shoppers in Clackamas, Oregon, and moviegoers in Aurora, Colorado. That most fundamental set of rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- fundamental rights that were denied to college students at Virginia Tech, and high school students at Columbine, and elementary school students in Newtown, and kids on street corners in Chicago on too frequent a basis to tolerate, and all the families who�ve never imagined that they�d lose a loved one to a bullet -- those rights are at stake. We�re responsible."

Agnes, you are absolutely correct about school design....but your observation applies to all public use buildings.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2013 at 5:52AM
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Brushworks Spectacular Finishes(5)

JMC, just a few days ago? I'm talking about the past four years! Ask the parents of Chicago children how they feel about what's been going on in Chicago for the past 20 years.

Let's be realistic. The only reason Obama is comfortable with his gun control agenda is because he's not eligible for another term. :( Really. His retirement and lifetime protection is guaranteed. No risks. On the other hand, Harry Reid is at risk. He will do more to delay gun control than anybody.

This post was edited by brushworks on Sun, Jan 20, 13 at 6:07

    Bookmark   January 20, 2013 at 6:02AM
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Brushworks Spectacular Finishes(5)

Exactly David ... except it is not science fiction, it is conservatives who "hate big government" advocating that our children (and us) live under a government-controlled police state.

No thank you...

OMom,

No, not only some conservatives think that way.

I'll let you read the article and then you can express your outrage against the liberal who proposed it.

WASHINGTON � Federal funds would be made available to deploy National Guard troops at schools under legislation introduced Wednesday by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) in response to last week�s mass slaying at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

The Save Our Schools Act would leave it to governors to decide whether to call out the National Guard and how to use troops around schools.

Now we all know what happens when the NG gets involved in education. Don't we?

Let it rip, OMom...I want you to express your outrage against Ms. Boxer.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2013 at 6:13AM
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ohiomom

Well unlike newly proclaimed "independents" who only criticize democrats, we dems are known for speaking out against our own politicians/legislation we do not agree with. Just never could learn how to do that whole "lock step" dance.

Okay just for you Brush ... OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG BOXER is putting armed military in the schools, TOMORROW!!!!$$$!!

Hows that?

Yes we do know and I hope against all hope that you would not use Kent State in this way, but then I do live in the reality that anything is game when it comes to political jabs and punches.

"four dead"

Feel better now Brush?

    Bookmark   January 20, 2013 at 7:11AM
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agnespuffin

I think the idea that there should be a guard posted "at the door", pretty much shows the thinking of some of the posters.

THE door? What about the fire regulations that state that there should be an entrance/exit way for so many feet of hallway? Which is more apt to happen....a fire or a gunman?

Really, Please count the number of entrances/exits in a school and think more about just where you would post these guards as to providing safety for all children.

Cameras would be a good step forward. Even the students might behave a little better in the halls if they knew they were being watched.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2013 at 3:47PM
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momj47(7A)

There's generally only one, maybe two, entrance doors that open from the outside, all the other doors only open from the inside, in schools, and other public buildings, these days.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2013 at 4:42PM
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