Artificial sweeteners are deemed safe and

tobr24u(z6 RI)February 7, 2013

deodorants too in recent studies over a number of years. So now your coffee can taste good while you smell good. Hand me my Ban and pour me a mug with Splendor...

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jodik_gw

I'll pass on the artificial everything... I'm not one to automatically believe what the so-called experts of the day say.

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tobr24u(z6 RI)

Don't be a doubter, your life will be sweeter...

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jodik_gw

If I weren't somewhat pessimistic, I'd be gullible, Tobr.

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tobr24u(z6 RI)

Hmm, no middle ground?

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denninmi(8a)

As with pesticides, I'm not afraid here, either. Splenda is a useful product. I just tried the newest no-calorie sweetener, Nectresse, made from Monkfruit extract. The best to date, IMHO, no aftertaste at all.

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Pidge

I use Stevia--it's "safer" than most.

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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

Everytime I see something about artificial sweeteners, it makes me think of igloochick.

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Factotem

Regardless of the specific safety of any particular non-caloric sweetener, they all share the same fatal flaw: They're non-caloric. To supply energy, the human body sets up a craving for substances with certain olfactory properties so the body will seek those substances in order to satisfy that caloric demand. If a call for calories in the form of something with a sugar content is met with a substance that deceives the senses, but does not deliver the caloric payload that is anticipated, the body simply adjusts the craving to match the taste vs. delivered sugary calories system. The organism has been tuned over the course of millions of years of evolution to have exquisitely responsive feedback and calibration systems for the intake of fuel as a cruciual survival mechanism. So you may be able to fool the senses, but not the system, because in the final analysis, you are not taking in the fuel that was expected, and there will be a recalibration in response.

It's arithmetic, really; artificial sweeteners can't produce weight loss. Though the disruption to the sense/result calibration may produce weight gain. Therefore, I recommend the complete avoidance of them, along with other sense-fooling doomed attempts to fool Mother Nature, such as Olestra and its kin.

Here is a link that might be useful: Scientific American article on this principle

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tobr24u(z6 RI)

OK, but what about my deodorant?

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vgkg(Z-7)

Good old centuries tested sugar (sucrose) is fine by me, in moderation of course. I'll take my lumps and associated risks with it and leave the new age experimentation with assorted "sweeteners" to others.

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Factotem

tobr24u wrote,

OK, but what about my deodorant?

You're good to go. I would avoid anti-perspirant, though.

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tobr24u(z6 RI)

And your deodorant from the good old days?

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labrea_gw

Tom's of Maine

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tobr24u(z6 RI)

I thought that was toothpaste...

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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

Dr. Betty Martini,D.Hum. has been on a tear against aspartame for years in spite of criticism from food nutritionists and other specialists.

I try to avoid drinks with artificial sweeteners and use sucrose where possible when needing additional sweetening. Aside from foul aftertastes, my digestive system tends to go odd with too much consumption of artificial sweetener.

Here is a link that might be useful: Aspartame sweetner

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marquest(z5 PA)

I remember reading years ago that people were guzzling diet pepsi and putting on more weight than they would if they had drank a regular pepsi.

I do not use any artificial sweetners. My tea is black no sugar, cream, or lemon. I drink 3 black, 2 green tea a day. I do have some sort of sweet crumpet every morning with my morning tea.

Cranberry juice splash in cold water with my meals an occasional Ginger Ale.

Deodorant I use several. My Mom use to make her deodorant with baking soda and something else I do not remember the mixture. I hear toothpaste is bad for you. She had a mixture of peroxide and baking soda for toothpaste. I use to laugh at her but she may have had a clue something was wrong. She lived to be 90 and had all her own teeth.

Maybe we would all live longer if we did not use deodorant, use artificial sweeteners or brush our teeth, shampoo our hair etc.

If you read some of the dangers of the soap you use, deodorant, toothpaste, shampoo, etc. You want to retreat from society and never leave your house.

We could be fat, smelly and happy.

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Brushworks Spectacular Finishes(5)

Everytime I see something about artificial sweeteners, it makes me think of igloochick.

HG,

Are you saying she was sweet or artificial?

Welcome back!

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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

Are you saying she was sweet or artificial?

No, she was the one who had a very ill son with the eating disorder. He didn't like the taste of water so in order to keep him hydrated, he drank diet coke all the time.

Whenever there was a thread like this one knocking artificial sweeteners, she would post about how terribly judgemental we were because diet coke kept her child alive. It got to the point that any thread about aspartame etc. had to be started with the disclaimer that the poster was not talking about medical circumstances that dictated the need for diet coke.

That and her stance against universal healthcare. They could afford the best medical care for her son and she wasn't about to feel guilty about those who couldn't.

Welcome back!

Did I go somewhere?

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david52 Zone 6

Can't stand the stuff.

I quit adding sugar or any sweetener to any food years ago, and after a week or so getting used to it, its to the point now I can barely stand to eat anything thats been sweetened. Just hides the flavors.

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demifloyd(8)

Welcome back!

Did I go somewhere?

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I didn't say anything, because I don't hang around here nearly as much as I used to--but you were one of the reasons I did, HG.

So yes, I did note your absence lately.

I'm glad you are okay.

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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

Thanks Demi, I'm just a bit flattered.

I think I've been spending much more time in the veggie gardening area as of late, you're right. I may not have been here in Hot Topics much. We bought a house last year and I didn't have all the garden beds built or a full planting last year, so I'm ITCHING to get everything in the ground this year, in spite of all the snow and frozen ground I see when I look out the window. It's only February and I have to restrain myself from starting seeds already...lol!

It tends to happen to me during gardening season. I fade away to the veggie garden forums to read and ask questions about this year's pest or disease, to get ideas on how to make my beds look less utilitarian, and to replenish my hatred of the Texas gardeners who post pictures of their nice, ripe, red tomatoes they are picking in May... before we even have our transplants in the ground...GRRRRR

Besides, looks like there's not much discussion and understanding happening 'round here. Same old, same old?

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Brushworks Spectacular Finishes(5)

I thought maybe year end accounting was consuming your time away for us.

But glad to hear it's recreational, not work.

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marquest(z5 PA)

It tends to happen to me during gardening season. I fade away.....

I thought you were still cleaning the house. I think the last time you posted you were deciding if the house needed cleaning.

I am like you I will not be around HT when the grass starts to grow. I will be in the garden from sun up to sundown. That is where the real fun is happening.

I was so desperate to get in the dirt we had a few 50 degree spring temps I found 100 Spring bulbs on sale and I planted them in the garden. That was a great stress release few days.

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demifloyd(8)

"Besides, looks like there's not much discussion and understanding happening 'round here. Same old, same old?"

Yes, but much, much worse than the years before.
:(

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The good thing is that you were working in your garden!

I intend to try to spend a few hours this afternoon covering mine with cardboard and rocks--the black plastic didn't stop several years worth of weeds growing in it since DH hasn't been here to tend to it. Hopefully it will help before I till it.

This year I'm going to try to grow asparagus--something I've not done before.

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I do not use artifical sweeteners, but keep all kinds here at the house because so many people do use them, or are diabetic. I don't drink diet sodas, or sodas at all regularly any longer but also keep them here for others.

I note that most people still ask for "the pink stuff" and to me, that's the worst. The only sweetener I occasionally use is a little agave nectar in chai tea and a splash of milk.

Whoever said they drink water with a splash of cranberry juice--that's my preferred drink here at the house, or with a splash of joint juice.

Also, last year on a trip I learned about this fabulous green tea, which I make quite frequently--Pure Inventions green tea, peach flavor. It does have some extract of fruits and stevia leaf extract. It comes in a dark colored bottle with a dropper--just a drop in a glass of water makes the tea--which remains pretty much clear.

Artificial anything is generally not my choice--I don't even like plastic or resin anything in my house.

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lily316(z5PA)

I have never used artificial sweeteners and don't use sugar either except to feed my bees. I use their honey. I always have hated diet soda, used to drink Pepsi but haven't had a soda for about a decade now....even WITH pizza. I have not used a deodorant in years. I wonder why I ever did, just indoctrination. I don't sweat and if I did a little, there is no smell. I don't recall my father ever smelling even after yard work and he never used a deodorant.

As for holding my breath for gardening time. I am not. I have bad memories of droughts and hauling hoses all last summer. We will garden as always but I'm not excited . I'm sad because there will be no impatiens to fill my many urns and pots. I have over 100 going in the summer but I doubt the impatiens will recover from their disease, and none will be available.

Hot Topics has become rather boring in recent weeks. I am sick beyond sick of gun threads, and I know they've reached 200 by now. We anti gun and pro gun people have said every word there is to be said I dare say not one person has changed their views. Same with abortion. Over and over and over. BORING!!!!!!!

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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

was so desperate to get in the dirt we had a few 50 degree spring temps I found 100 Spring bulbs on sale and I planted them in the garden.

I know how you feel.

I have begun my yearly springtime ritual of staring out at the snow covering my barren garden, hubby comes into the room, rolls his eyes and says to stop staring at the garden, it won't make summer come any faster.

But at least I can look at the little tiny green tips of the garlic cloves poking through the snow. They came up last fall before the freeze and are a nice reminder that there IS life under there, waiting to emerge...

Oh my god..... it's like heroin for gardeners. Just a little fix...

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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

Whoever said they drink water with a splash of cranberry juice--that's my preferred drink here at the house, or with a splash of joint juice.

What the heck is joint juice?

Maybe up here a joint means something very different than down there.

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Lady_Brat

Ever noticed how many things will supposedly kill you one day and a few years down the road are totally safe. Just saying.......

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demifloyd(8)

HG--no, it's nothing nefarious or illegal--it's glucosamine chondroitin in a drink.

Joint Juice

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Brushworks Spectacular Finishes(5)

My insurance agent gifted us with some Honey Plum Tea concentrate brought back from his visit to South Korea. It's more like a nectar, two teaspoons to a cup of hold or cold water.....delicious! No caffeine, no artificial anything.

As for soda, I'll drink ginger ale with my bourbon. I am NOT drinking bourbon straight from the bottle.

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terrene(5b MA)

I have a diet coke once in awhile, otherwise don't eat any artificial sweeteners, and have weaned myself off of sweets in general. Got motivated to do so after watching a Dr. Oz show titled "the #1 thing you should remove from your kitchen" - refined sugar! He recommended no more than 6 teaspoons of sugar per day.

So I started reading labels and calulating grams of sugar and was amazed at how much sugar I was actually eating. It's in almost everything these days! Many people blow through that amount by the end of breakfast (1 poptart plus 2 sugars in coffee = 6.5 teaspoons).

I have a "sugar slam" about once a month (holiday or whatever) but otherwise eat approx. 6 tsp. or less per day.

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Factotem

terrene wrote,

Got motivated to do so after watching a Dr. Oz show titled "the #1 thing you should remove from your kitchen" - refined sugar! He recommended no more than 6 teaspoons of sugar per day.

In my opinion, Dr. Oz is a dangerous quack. Here's a recent piece in the New Yorker that touches on some of his disturbing positions.

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terrene(5b MA)

I only watch segments of Dr. Oz's show occasionally, and think that some of his content is good medical information and some is silly and more entertaining (and WAY too many commercials). Like the time he highlighted "cleavage wrinkles". I had never heard of a cleavage wrinkle before. He had 2 huge 6 foot plastic boobs on the stage, and moved them together to illustrate how cleavage wrinkles worked!

But, give credit where credit is due. He is a highly regarded cardiologist, and I can thank his show for getting me off sugar.

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huachuma

I'm not a big fan of most sweets. But if I had the choice, I'd rather consume empty calories than empty emptiness...

No artificial sweeteners for me. I recently gave up the brand of gum that I liked when I found out it contained Sorbitol.

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I am like you I will not be around HT when the grass starts to grow. I will be in the garden from sun up to sundown.

Pasting that to my clipboard. :)

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Posted by brushworks Zone5-Ohio (My Page) on
Thu, Feb 7, 13 at 18:54
I am like you I will not be around HT when the grass starts to grow. I will be in the garden from sun up to sundown.

Pasting that to my clipboard. :)

I know you will miss me saying....."Brush I disagree.

I will offer you a suggestion. I have a few clips for use when needed but save them to your hard drive. . :)

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Factotem

Terrene wrote,

But, give credit where credit is due. He is a highly regarded cardiologist, and I can thank his show for getting me off sugar.

Oz is a heart surgeon, not a cardiologist, and the man who hired him and put him on the transplant team at New York-Presbyterian now says he would not refer a patient to Oz.

I do not give him credit. I place blame on him for promoting quack cures, diets, and supplements, none of which he uses, and for endorsing all manner of pseudoscience and quackery.

This post was edited by Factotem on Fri, Feb 8, 13 at 1:14

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mylab123(z5NW)

Im glad to see you too Ham, I cant even get a spade into the soil here, still too cold with lots of freezing nights but I can now begin to see an end to it, the snow has finally, FINALLY begun to greatly melt off.

Lily I had noticed you had backed off too, for good reasons. I was absurbly glad of Chase's bread thread, it was a greatly needed thread lite to pull back the curtains and let a little sunshine through. Im off looking for some sort of bread stone tomorrow, Im in the mood to smell a loaf baking.

It has been the darkest, dreary long winter I can remember - total, constant cloud cover, blocking natural light, with lots of fog and an inversion and iced roads and sidewalks.

We couldn't even take our "after work/ before supper" stroll around a couple of blocks together with the dogs that all 4 of us love so much- decompression time for him, nice conversation fir me, simple joy if the outdoors for the dogs.

Winter, get thee behind me! (and I generally love and look forward to it!)

Certainly almost all of us have our personality quirks at times over various things, personally I liked igloochic very much even though I certainly did not agree with her about a couple of important key issues.
I would love to hear about her progress she has made on her large and lovely Victorian house she bought to restore, she and a garden expert were deep into creating the proper lawns and beds for the house. Could have lived vicariously through her, for certain, it all sounded like a glorious project she was going to do correctly, a true restoration job. How I would love to see before and after pics with all the small but so important details, I bet she has done a beautiful job of it, perhaps evening enjoying basically the finished product by now.

I miss Silver. What a fine person she is, we are less for not having her here now.

Silver, come back!
(Unless you just cant stomach us, I do understand if that is the case.)

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mylab123(z5NW)

If you leave Marq, I will come get you and haul your arse back in, you can come in on breaks, at least! For just a few minutes a day!

When I get back to doing my volunteer work next month, I wont be around quite so much, when I was really busy between Sep and most of Dec. I went days and days, sometimes a week ir more not even checking my email much less anything else. Its good to get away from this forum for awhile.

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terrene(5b MA)

Facto, actually it was my nurse-practitioner that referred to Dr. Oz as a cardiologist, but thank you for clarifying that. Apparently he is a very popular yet controversial doctor. He promotes integrative medicine, which appeals to me, but I am more interested in the books and website of Dr. Andrew Weil who does not seem to recommend alternative medicine unless it has a solid scientific basis.

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fouquieria(10b)

I use stevia also. One jar goes a long, long, long way.

-Ron-

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mrskjun(9)

I still use sugar, could never develop a taste for artificial sweeteners. I've found that Coke Zero is the only diet soda that doesn't leave that awful aftertaste.

Nice thing about living here is that I have snowdrops, paperwhites, pansies, and petunias blooming. I would have roses, but I pruned them all way back last week. So they are pruned, sprayed and fed. Now I need to start pulling weeds, which never seem to die.

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tobr24u(z6 RI)

Well, you can use a good deodorant without worrying about cancer while working up a sweat...

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cookie8(zone 5 ON)

I used to drink diet Pepsi and decided to give it up (along with sugar). Seeing how hard it was to quit it made me realize even more that I had to give it up! I also gave up many household products that go down into our sewage system - so moisturizers, deodorants, cleansers, toothpastes, fertilizers. I don't care if they are safe or not but one less household not contributing their end product is enough for me.
I am all over alternative medicine after giving it a go. For me, it worked - more than all my medications over the past 25 years.

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Factotem

terrene wrote,

Facto, actually it was my nurse-practitioner that referred to Dr. Oz as a cardiologist, but thank you for clarifying that. Apparently he is a very popular yet controversial doctor. He promotes integrative medicine, which appeals to me,...

Integrative Medicine means using medicine that has not been shown to work using science in addition to medicine that has been shown to work using science. It's a back-door way to push therapies that have not been shown to be efficacious but seem appealing (as you say), which I believe does patients a huge disservice.

I am more interested in the books and website of Dr. Andrew Weil who does not seem to recommend alternative medicine unless it has a solid scientific basis.

Dr. Weil similarly pushes all manner of "alternative" medicine; the "alternativeness" is that it is not based on science. Here's a blog post by a surgeon-scientist that discusses Dr. Weil; I recommend it.

These sorts of doctors prey on people who are drawn to some vague notion of natural remedies and find the message appealing, but wishful thinking is no substitute for truth. The science is simply not there.

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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

Great hit piece there, facto, by orac who may or may not be a doctor. Who is orac?

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Factotem

marshallz10 wrote,

Great hit piece there, facto, by orac who may or may not be a doctor. Who is orac?

Orac is Dr. David Gorski, a medical researcher and breast cancer surgeon. The piece is very critical of Dr. Weil, but unless you have specific factual or logical disagreements with its content, calling it a "hit piece" is empty rhetoric that appears to be intended to call its accuracy into question without supplying any specifics.

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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

"Hit piece" was used in the correct vernacular meaning. The medical field is and always has been filled with quacks, time servers, and visionaries. As most doctors will tell you, there is a great deal of art in doctoring, not just science, especially in the diagnostic end. Medical triage is a case on point.

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terrene(5b MA)

Actually Facto Dr. Weil says that integrative medicine "combines mainstream medical therapies and CAM therapies for which there is some high-quality scientific evidence of safety and effectiveness." Mainstrem therapies are generally consider drugs and surgery, and CAM therapies are otherwise. I've been reading Dr. Weil's material for decades, and find it consistent with this approach.

Frankly, just because a medicine is "conventional" and has some science to support it, doesn't mean it is good. For example, how many prescription drugs come with untenable side effects, or have been recalled (after going through testing). Don't thousands of people die from complications of prescription drugs and surgery every year? Nor is alternative medicine necessarily bogus because there is little science supporting it as yet.

I don't idolize nor automatically disregard therapies from either category.

This post was edited by terrene on Fri, Feb 8, 13 at 16:57

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Factotem

terrene wrote,

Actually Facto Dr. Weil says that integrative medicine "combines mainstream medical therapies and CAM therapies for which there is some high-quality scientific evidence of safety and effectiveness."

The problem with this definition is that it is false. "Complimentary and Alternative therapies for which there is some high-quality scientific evidence of safety and effectiveness" are neither complimentary nor alternative; they are merely medicine. Those terms are euphemisms for therapies that are not supported by good science.

Frankly, just because a medicine is "conventional" and has some science to support it, doesn't mean it is good. For example, how many prescription drugs come with untenable side effects, or have been recalled (after going through testing). Don't thousands of people die from complications of prescription drugs and surgery every year?

I'm surprised you would employ this fallacy, which is a verson of the Utopia fallacy, or a tu quoque argument of sorts. No amount of negative outcomes from science-basd medicine can improve the quality of evidence for non-science-based medicine.

Nor is alternative medicine necessarily bogus because there is little science supporting it as yet.

That is correct. But any new therapy that is unproven falls into that category -- there's nothing particularly "alternative" or "complimentary" about a therapy that has no science supporting it. It is simply a therapy with no scientific support. Once it attains the level of a therapy that is safe and effective, it simply beocmes "medicine". "Alternative" and "complimentary" are merely nice-sounding terms for therapies that are unsupported by scientific evidence.

Doctors who push these attractive-sounding but scientifically unsupported approaches are deceiving their patients. I think it's shameful.

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Factotem

marshallz10 wrote,

As most doctors will tell you, there is a great deal of art in doctoring, not just science, especially in the diagnostic end. Medical triage is a case on point.

There is certainly not a great deal of this sort of "art" in designing and performing rigorous testing on proposed therapies and analyzing the resultant data. So-called complimentary and alternative therapies that do not have scientific grounding are not in the realm of the "art" of doctoring.

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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

I am not, and please do NOT assign me to the belief that, art is involved in medical or other scientific research except in so far as imagination, aye genius or insight, informs the research design.

Why are you always looking for a fight or opportunity to be correct, or more correct in your eyes? Who do you think cares?

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marquest(z5 PA)

Study: Diet Soda Increases the Risk of Diabetes. Why Do We Still Drink This Stuff?

Here is a link that might be useful: Soda

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fouquieria(10b)

Here's a critical article on Dr. Gorsky.

-Ron-

Here is a link that might be useful: Orac

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fouquieria(10b)

I drink tons of fruit juices. But I water it down with 1/3rd water and full of ice cubs. Guava and Grape are my favorites.

-Ron-

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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

Thanks Ron for the link.

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frank_il

Isn't that an anti-vaccine website?

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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

Yes, every "cause" has its website and most corporate interests facing such resistance green-washes with its own avatars attacking the opposition, in this case in favor of rigorous science.

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terrene(5b MA)

Facto, as long a therapy is supported by solid science, I am not so concerned what it's called. It is not Dr. Weil's mission to recommend therapies that are not supported by science. Dr. Oz I'm not so sure, he strikes me as more of a "Hollywood" type.

Although it doesn't make alternative therapies that aren't supported by science any more valid, I do suspect that there are many therapies being used by mainstream doctors that are questionable, and perhaps even more harmful than an "alternative" therapy that is available, because they are promoted by large multi-national corporations who are profit-driven, or supported by studies paid for by these corporations.

Anyway, why don't you add something to the discussion, instead of nitpicking apart what everyone else is adding?

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terrene(5b MA)

Fouquiera, fruit juice has a ton of sugar in it (natural fruit sugar - fructose I mean). I'm not sure it's much better than soda in large quantities. I like it too, but try to drink only a few ounces at a time. My favorite trick is to take pour about 2-3 ounces of organic Concord grape juice and then add about 8 ounces of flavored seltzer (usually raspberry lime). Make a light tasty "soda". Yummy!

edited to clarify sugar content in fruit juice

This post was edited by terrene on Sat, Feb 9, 13 at 15:56

    Bookmark   February 9, 2013 at 12:36PM
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fouquieria(10b)

Uh, I should have added I buy the unsweetened cranberry, cherry, and a couple of others also. I also drink tons of green tea (especially in the summer). The unsweetened stuff is really concentrated and kind of bitter, so I water it down with water and ice and sweeten it with stevia. I can't stand straight tap water. I always had a sweet tooth as a kid but not so much anymore. Besides at this stage of my life, I'm not going to change old habits (except I did stop the cigars).

-Ron-

    Bookmark   February 9, 2013 at 1:10PM
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Factotem

fouquieria wrote,

Here's a critical article on Dr. Gorsky.

Age of Autism promotes a decidely anti-science viewpoint, so naturally they are critical of Dr. Gorski. In my opinion, they have led thousands of parents of autistic children astray by feeding them misinformation about the causes of autism, which is terribly sad. If you are interested in the subject, I suggest taking some time to review the points pushed by such anti-vaccine organizations and then researching the scientific information that bears on the matter.

    Bookmark   February 9, 2013 at 10:25PM
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Factotem

terrene wrote,

It is not Dr. Weil's mission to recommend therapies that are not supported by science.

Sure it is. He promotes all sorts of scientifically-unsupported therapies, such as homeopathy, Reiki and other forms of "energy medicine."

Therapies that are solidly supported by science are called "medicine". Therapies that are not are called "complimentary," "alternative," or are brought in through the back door under the mantle of "integrative medicine." Those are all foci of Dr. Weil's efforts.

    Bookmark   February 9, 2013 at 11:00PM
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EATREALFOOD

I commend you for keeping the shares of "flu shot" producers high(I'm sure our 401k's thank you) while some of us choose to take zinc, elderberry, D3 and vitamin C and take our chances.
ps--calendula gel by boiron is "homeopathy". Although it works it can't be called medicine because big pharma can't make big profits from marigolds..yet...and I am not against taking a prescribed medicine when necessary.
Interesting that Omega 3 supplementation was ignored for years but now the big boys have gotten into the act and you see ads in magazines for 'prescribed omega 3 pills". Hmmmm. If Codex Alimentarius goes through Vitamin C will need a prescription also. At that time "quackery" will be legitimized and most of us w/o insurance will be on the sidelines again.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2013 at 1:00AM
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Factotem

EATREALFOOD wrote,

I commend you for keeping the shares of "flu shot" producers high(I'm sure our 401k's thank you) while some of us choose to take zinc, elderberry, D3 and vitamin C and take our chances.

Ah, a variation of the Pharma Shill Gambit. Tired.

calendula gel by boiron is "homeopathy". Although it works...

Homeopathy is complete nonsense. It is based on utterly absurd principles, including the central claim that water that once had a little of a substance in it, but no longer has even a single molecule remaining, can produce healing. And, of course, there is no scientifically rigorous evidence of efficacy. It's pure quackery.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2013 at 3:48PM
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citywoman2012

Don't smoke, don't drink, I eat healthy but but but I
drink a coke a day(the real thing).
I am probably 25lbs too much and if you watched my eating
habits you would wonder WHY.
Its the coke. Has to be. I love them.
I have one at lunch every day. Sometimes one at dinner.
Garden salad...vinegar/oil dressing and the real thing.

Is that a visual oxymoron?

I have given up sooooooo many goodies for health...the coke
I just can't let go.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2013 at 5:23PM
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terrene(5b MA)

Personally I have no interest in homeopathy, and Dr. Weil hardly gives it a resounding endorsement on his website. But I have no intention of disregarding everything Dr. Weil has to say about health just because he mentions a few therapies that have relatively little scientific data to support them.

So Facto, why don't you start your own thread about quacks, instead of constantly hi-jacking this thread. It's getting kind of obnoxious.

Citywoman, if you drink a 12 oz coke, it has about 10 teaspoons of sugar. So imagine opening 10 sugar packets, and dumping them in a glass and add water, caffeine, and flavoring, and you've got a coke. This is way more sugar than people should be eating in a single day, let alone at one meal. Although once in awhile, it probably doesn't hurt.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2013 at 5:42PM
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Factotem

terrene wrote,

Personally I have no interest in homeopathy, and Dr. Weil hardly gives it a resounding endorsement on his website. But I have no intention of disregarding everything Dr. Weil has to say about health just because he mentions a few therapies that have relatively little scientific data to support them.

No, he doesn't merely "mention a few therapies that have relatively little scientific data to support them." All the alternative therapies he promotes have no scientific data of efficacy and many are absurd and anti-scientific on their face, such as homeopathy, in my opinion. You are certainly free to investigate any specific therapy he promotes; based on the ones I know about, I wouldn't take anything he says at face value. Is there some specific alternative therapy that Dr. Weil promotes that you believe is scientifically supported?

So Facto, why don't you start your own thread about quacks, instead of constantly hi-jacking this thread. It's getting kind of obnoxious.

Your memory is short. You brought up both Dr. Oz and Dr. Weil.

    Bookmark   February 10, 2013 at 6:36PM
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elvis

"Living Well" was an eye opener for me; loved it. Never really thought about my liver much. One result of reading that book was that I don't consume any alcohol at all. Didn't realize that the liver is so important in relationship to cholesterol. Had high cholesterol (the bad kind), don't have it anymore. No meds, no diet changes, except for the absence of alcohol. I love it!

So Dr. Weil did right by me. I'm sure there are things he advocates that others disagree with for whatever reason; that's fine--he is human after all.

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As to the OP: I use stevia. Wish I could make my own, but it's simply not practical (at all!).

    Bookmark   February 10, 2013 at 6:45PM
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