need ID on thorny plant

housenewbie(NEPA)May 24, 2006


Bought a house last year w/ a perennial garden that's gone a bit wild. There's a big patch of shrubby plants that I think are weeds--I've taken a lot of them out (w/ great difficulty, as they're very stubborn)--but I can't seem to find out what they are. Here's the stats:

Upright growth, w/ arching habit

Most growth is on main stem--not a lot of branching--but new stalks do come up from the base.

Many, many thorns on the stems. Thin; not like roses

Gets about 3-4 ft tall (would be taller but for the arching)

3 leaves, in clusters, serrated edges

They look a lot like my raspberries, but don't seem to do anything. No fruit. Haven't seen any flowers, except 1 small white 5-petaled flower on a short stalk DH pulled up last wkend. Not 100% sure that's the same thing. The raspberries are also straighter in their growth. Raspberry patch is several dozen feet away from the perennial bed.

The property is in the hills outside Scranton-WB, NE PA.

Any ideas would be most appreciated. Thanks!

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Most likely a wild blackberry, definitely something in the Rubus family. We have them too here in Georgia.

    Bookmark   May 24, 2006 at 12:37PM
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So can i pull it out? or is that evil?

    Bookmark   May 24, 2006 at 2:41PM
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Well, I have so many that I pull them out. They tend to make great sticky masses and then honeysuckle grows on them .... They spread by runners, so when you pull them up you might get several.

It's just a preference thing, I guess.

    Bookmark   May 24, 2006 at 10:13PM
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Could also be a nasty weed called cat briar or tramp's troubles. Sparse leave growth. The roots are very wiry and and and have a knobby growth. The roots go on forever. I have dug down 2+ ft and never found the end of a root. You might try Round-Up on it if you paint it on or cut out the bottom of a plastic milk carton and place it over the plant and spray thru the neck portion it would be safer than spraying the plant and overspray getting on nearby valuable plants.

    Bookmark   May 25, 2006 at 8:29PM
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tiarella, the scientific name for that vine is Smilax. I occasionally manage to get the corm out, but more often I do not. When I do, I always very happily march it straight to the TRASH CAN!

    Bookmark   May 25, 2006 at 9:50PM
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janet_e(6B PA)

The very abundant, slender thorns makes me think it could be wineberry (Rubus phoenicolasius). The stems look almost fuzzy with thorns, which often have a reddish tint. Wineberry is a non-native plant.

Here is a link that might be useful:

    Bookmark   May 25, 2006 at 11:14PM
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Hmmm. The wineberry looks close. They do have pretty tough roots. Definitely can't pull it up--have to dig.

I'll have to take a pic and see if I can post it.


    Bookmark   May 26, 2006 at 11:49AM
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I've found the same thing growing in my hedges. It has little white flowers. My husband thinks it might be a miniature rose bush, but I say No!! Flowers are two small. I live in Scranton/Wb area too. Any ideas would be helpful!!!

    Bookmark   June 1, 2011 at 3:34PM
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fatamorgana2121(Zone 5/6)

Photo would help if you are asking for an ID.


    Bookmark   June 2, 2011 at 8:47AM
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