RIP Hugo Chavez

althea_gwMarch 5, 2013

Hugo Chavez has died.

Here is a link that might be useful: WaPo

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althea_gw

Never mind. I just saw RpR already started a thread on this subject. The title of that thread confused me.

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 5:35PM
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Pidge

I like your thread better, Althea, because it isn't the usual snarky thread. Thanks.

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 5:44PM
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jodik_gw

I vote we use this one to discuss the life and times of Mr. Chavez...

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 5:53PM
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althea_gw

Thanks Pidge & Jodi. He was a great world leader after all.

We can review Chavez's comments about George Bush later.

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 6:34PM
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RpR_(3-4)

He was a Stalin wannabe, but it seems he was an honest Roman Catholic, though Larry King just said he was paranoid.

This post was edited by RpR_ on Tue, Mar 5, 13 at 18:48

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 6:35PM
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althea_gw

RpR, it's is generally known that someone should be dead for at least a month before you start running them down. I managed to do this when Ronald Reagon died. Surely you can too in this case.

I guess that was a long enough wait.

This short video also includes Chavez promoting Chomsky's book.

Here is a link that might be useful: youtube

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 6:50PM
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RpR_(3-4)

Why?
For thirty days anything that was wrong with a person suddenly to not exist?

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 6:55PM
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althea_gw

It's out of respect, whether you had any respect for the deceased or not.

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 7:06PM
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david52_gw

I always thought Venezuela was a great example of what happens when the wealth distribution of what should be a prosperous society gets so out-of-whack.

I had very good friends from school who lived and worked in some national park in Venezuela for 30 years, living modestly, doing what they loved to do. They had to leave soon after Chavez came to power.

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 7:17PM
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cornopean

I would suggest that Chavez shows just how unequal the Marxist classless society really is. Some estimate his net worth at $2 billion. not even the "robber barons" got that rich. :)

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 7:25PM
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fancifowl(5Pa)

Ronald Reagan is some how comparable to a dictator like nchavez?/ Laughable at best!!

rest in peace to the man, how bizarre.

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 7:27PM
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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

Chavez had the temerity of diverting the flow of bribes the oiled the works of that and many other Latin American countries.

I used to work with a Peruvian agronomist whose family once owned millions of acres of the Peruvian Altiplano, land and people. His job was with the Agrarian Reform Dept., he being the family "red" and still active after the Peruvian military overthrew the corrupt rightist government and installed a leftist dictatorship. In the 3 years I worked with the agronomist, he managed to have "management" of the expropriated Altiplano lands returned to his extended family. He never would tell me how much the bribes required to achieve that goal. He, of course, was no "red", just volunteered to act that out and work to re-acquired the family fortune, a fortune represented by that vast and mostly desolate acreage and the peasants bound to their ancestral villages and the land.

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 7:59PM
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labrea_gw

Last I heard the expensive malls in Caracas were still full every day!
Most of Miami's real estate recovery have come from cash buying Venezuelans.
I have no tears for he was a major rights violator.

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 11:20PM
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bboy(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

That makes sense, as the righties here seem to feel they were violated.

Suspect their main beef is that he thumbed his nose at the gringoes, didn't bow and scrape to the anointed leader of the Christian world.

I'm not talking about the pope.

    Bookmark   March 5, 2013 at 11:46PM
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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Rest in peace, companero.

You challenged the hegemony of the U.S. in Latin America, were vilified in the corporate media, subjected to a coup, and then vilified again after the coup failed due to popular support for your presidency. Statement From Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter on the Death of Hugo Chavez
Rosalynn and I extend our condolences to the family of Hugo Chavez Frias. We met Hugo Chavez when he was campaigning for president in 1998 and The Carter Center was invited to observe elections for the first time in Venezuela. We returned often, for the 2000 elections, and then to facilitate dialogue during the political conflict of 2002-2004. We came to know a man who expressed a vision to bring profound changes to his country to benefit especially those people who had felt neglected and marginalized. Although we have not agreed with all of the methods followed by his government, we have never doubted Hugo Chavez's commitment to improving the lives of millions of his fellow countrymen.

President Chavez will be remembered for his bold assertion of autonomy and independence for Latin American governments and for his formidable communication skills and personal connection with supporters in his country and abroad to whom he gave hope and empowerment. During his 14-year tenure, Chavez joined other leaders in Latin America and the Caribbean to create new forms of integration. Venezuelan poverty rates were cut in half, and millions received identification documents for the first time allowing them to participate more effectively in their country's economic and political life...

From world-renowned author Eduardo Galeano (the Spanish is simple enough for most to understand - gano' [won], enciende [turn on]): EDUARDO GALEANO SOBRE HUGO CHAVEZ

“Hugo Chavez es un dictador, sin embargo, es un curioso dictador. Gano' ocho elecciones en cinco anos. Y ahora, recientemente, se sometio a un referendum en el que preguntaba a los venezolanos si querían el modelo de Estado que el proponia. Es el unico presidente de la historia de la humanidad en hacerlo. Y gano' con el 60 por ciento. Uno enciende la television venezolana y lo primero que ve es a miles de ‘periodistas’ diciendo que en Venezuela no hay libertad de expresion. Uno enciende la radio venezolana y hay miles de ‘periodistas’, analistas, opositores de Chavez, diciendo que alli' no hay libertad de expresion. Y uno abre el diario venezolano y hay un titulo enorme que dice: AQUI NO HAY LIBERTAD DE EXPRESION. En los ultimos cinco anos tan solo un medio de comunicacion ha sido clausurado. Pero no fue clausurado por el gobierno de Chavez, sino por estos ‘democratas’ [la derecha venezolana, apoyada por las grandes empresas]. Extrana dictadura y extranos democratas. Yo creo que en Venezuela hay un divorcio genial: el divorcio entre la realidad y la realidad virtual…”

Some of the initiatives of Chavez: Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas, TeleSUR

Video / Documentary: - Chavez: Inside the Coup 2002 documentary about the April 2002 Venezuelan coup attempt which briefly deposed Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. A television crew from Ireland's national broadcaster, RTE happened to be recording a documentary about Chavez during the events of April 11, 2002. Shifting focus, they followed the events as they occurred. During their filming, the crew recorded images of the events that they say contradict explanations given by Chavez's opposition, the private media, the US State Department, and then White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer.

    Bookmark   March 6, 2013 at 1:20AM
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tobr24u(z6 RI)

Call Joe (Kennedy) was a program that helped the needy get oil at cheap rates to heat their homes. The cheap oil came from Hugo...

    Bookmark   March 6, 2013 at 5:53AM
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brightonborn

Oh sure 100 gall. per winter from the big hearted Citizens Energy..... better than nothing I know. Chavez is a billionaire thug, dictator .Glad the folks who left Venezuela have something to celebrate.

    Bookmark   March 6, 2013 at 10:43AM
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brightonborn

Oh sure 100 gall. per winter from the big hearted Citizens Energy..... better than nothing I know. Chavez is a billionaire thug, dictator .Glad the folks who left Venezuela have something to celebrate.

    Bookmark   March 6, 2013 at 10:44AM
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RpR_(3-4)

Posted by althea
"It's out of respect, whether you had any respect for the deceased or not."--------------Respect is earned.
He earned nor deserved any period.

He was a socialist nut-job.

It is amazing how CNN went on with he was loved blah, blah, blah by many whilst at the very end throwing in, although he was opposed by many.
Then more happy talk with at the very end thrown in-- although he greatly abused his power.

This post was edited by RpR_ on Wed, Mar 6, 13 at 15:07

    Bookmark   March 6, 2013 at 2:11PM
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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

t is amazing how CNN went on with he was loved blah, blah, blah by many whilst at the very end throwing he although he was opposed by many.

I had an easier time understanding Galeano's comments in Spanish than this.

    Bookmark   March 6, 2013 at 2:15PM
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RpR_(3-4)

Posted by nancy_in_venice

t is amazing how CNN went on with he was loved blah, blah, blah by many whilst at the very end throwing he although he was opposed by many.

I had an easier time understanding Galeano's comments in Spanish than this.-----------------Thank you for bring my attention to that.
I changed the way I wrote it but forgot to take out the original.

    Bookmark   March 6, 2013 at 3:09PM
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CeeZeeG

A society based on the largess of its leader will always end up with thugs at the top. Not to be out dim witted, he appointed an ex bus driver as his replacement. This is going to get very interesting watching another community organizer on the world stage.

    Bookmark   March 9, 2013 at 11:29AM
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Oil_Robb(3)

Rest in hell you socialist marxist Killer...you gave them all a tiny fish and now the fish have ran out and the people dont know how to fish and are hungry.....good luck in getting anyone ever to investing in that hell hole ever again. How can CNN laud him when he executed people whom didnt agree with his marxism?.....then again I for one am glad that Americans are armed and that another 200,000 fire arms have been obtained by private citizens since the election in nov. 2012..marxism will never rule America.

    Bookmark   March 10, 2013 at 7:14AM
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labrea_gw

oh brother!

    Bookmark   March 10, 2013 at 8:58AM
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chase_gw

What do you care? Shouldn't you be worried about Marxism in Canada?

    Bookmark   March 10, 2013 at 9:02AM
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althea_gw

Hmmm, can't rob Venezuelan's of their oil???

    Bookmark   March 10, 2013 at 9:57AM
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grapeleaves

I lived in Venezuela from 1981-1983.
The rise of Hugo Chavez came as no surprise to me.
There was a huge disparity between the rich and everyone else.
I lived among the rich, so it was a comfortable life
for me.
My large apartment, with its own elevator, overlooked Lake Maracaibo. It was
4 Br, 4 1/2 bath, family room, formal living room and dining room, kitchen and
laundry. The maids bedroom was behind the kitchen and had only a cold
water shower. I had covered parking for my car.
I chose not to have a maid, but an illegal Colombian maid could be had for about
13 dollars a month.
My high rise was surrounded by a high concrete wall and guarded 24 hours a day
by guards with machine guns slung over their shoulders.
When I went to the grocery I faced begging children. in the parking lot.
One Bolivar (about a 25 cents at that time) kept my car from being keyed.
As I walked through the door of the supermarket I was met by another guard with
a machine gun.
They weren't too interested in energy conservation . The AC in the supermarket was
running full blast and the double front doors were left wide open all day.

My children went to the International School with the other expat. children
as well as the rich Venezuelan children who were sent there to
learn English.

I could fill up my car with gas for 25 cents a gallon.

While it was a comfortable life for me when I looked down out
of my windows, I saw miles and miles of barrios filled with tin
roofed shacks and dirt floors or they might have a concrete floor.

When I went out shopping I came face to face with the extreme
poverty . There were rat infested piles of trash I stepped
over, the begging man outside my high rise and the little children
sleeping on a piece of newspaper on the concrete.
For a B (25 cents) their father would let you take their picture.

    Bookmark   March 10, 2013 at 12:07PM
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