With summer coming you may want to look good in your bikini or speedo so surely you take measures to strut your stuff. Pics would help us see the results...
Neither. Don't need to wax; one of the unfortunate symptoms of lupus is hair loss... though luckily, I was born with extra, extra thick hair on my head with lots of wave and curl. Brushes full every day, no matter what I do, or what products I use. Another symptom is numbness of extremities with stabbing nerve pains, so please excuse any typing mistakes.
Artificial tanning or spray on shades of color? Never! I'll tan from working in the gardens and just being outside.
We don't live near a beach or vacation much, and I'm not on the "market", so there's really no point in strutting anything... though I did buy a kick ass 2 piece bathing suit last year just to have one. One never knows what invitations might pop up, and we do have friends everywhere. It's been forever since I got a new bathing suit.
There are two "epidemics" going on. People lacking Vitamin D from not going in the sun. The other is skin cancer from tanning beds. File that in the "you can't win for losing" box.
I've never tried waxing - none of me is THAT hairy that a Lady Schick can't do the trick.
No! "fake and bake" is B-A-D.
Wild turkeys do most the struttin' in these parts, anyway. :)
Don't need to wax I am not that hairy.
As I have said before I am in no mood to get back on a plane after my career of being on that merry go round so long. I have seen almost every Island and beach so I will not miss much by not doing any travel this year.
My tan will be from mowing the lawn and gardening. Looks like it is going to be a lot of mowing since we had a early Spring Summer. I have already had to mow twice.
you left out bleaching...
Never waxed or bleached . I'm not hairy and what's there on legs and arms is blonde and invisible. HOWEVER, I abused my body in the sun for decades. Not good. I haven't had skin cancer..YET but good vitamin D levels. Even though I'm not dark complexion, I tan a golden brown and never burn. But trends change and now I don't like to see overly tan people and cringe at old pictures of me in my bikini browner than President Obama. Now I just have a light tan and don't use sunblock unless I'm hitting the Jersey shore.
With the deterioration of the atmosphere they danger is said to be greater than before. People die from little tiny specks on their skin, that spread before being recognized and dealt with.
I'm old enough that my girlfriend sometimes trims me, when it starts getting too wild. I don't like bald genital areas on adults, the similarity to prepubescents it gives them is almost creepy. Tiny strips or patches resulting from waxing may not be much better, it again making them look like children (early adolescents).
Everytime I hear someone mention spray tan, I think of this and it really grosses me out!
Here is a link that might be useful: Christina!
Waaay TMI...I'm gonna have creepy dreams tonight, I just know it. Thanks a lot, bboy :0
I occasionally braid the hair on my shoulders in Spring but I think it's in poor taste to bead or make shoulder or back dreads
I did go out and burn my bald spot today which I usually like to get done by April.
Yoshino Cherries in the Bronx NYBG
In Japan they call this nearly white type Somei-yoshino.
Even at a unisex salon I couldn't get a trim below the waist...
I have only one word to describe waxing: YEOWCH!
When I was a lot younger, I'd go in for the occasional waxing... it's torture being female!
A good razor is so much less painful!
Who decided females should have hairless legs? We met a really sexy and beautiful Italian maiden on the beach in Mexico; she had unshaven legs and pits. Maybe if you don't have much going for you looks-wise, you overcompensate by undergoing this torture?
The suggestion of hair suggest sexual maturity.
Hairless is forever immature don't even go down that road it can get creepy.
Your all peaches & cream ooh what a dream lips like strawberry wine...your sixteeen your beautiful.... I'm under arrest.
The whole culture is screwed in this regard!
stubble stubble toil & trouble ingrown infected real life has no airbrush filters!
I don't think your surmise adds up Elvis, some of the most recognized beauties in the country wax and pluck.
It's a cultural thing rather than an overcompensation thing to tend to the legs and pits, for American women. When I was in other countries, though it was a while ago now, I didn't notice leg or pit hair on women there either.
Well then, mylab, you probably blocked it out. Unshaven women are out there.
It IS a cultural thing, I agree with you, probably originating, as Labrea intimated, for very creepy reasons. There are cultures wherein all female body hair below the neck is removed. Hmmm.
An idealized concept of what constitutes physical beauty. A conditioning, if you will.
Of COURSE they are out there Elvis. I assume you are out there? Of course they are.
But, the shaven women are not all unattractive wannabes. Which was your point.
Which I addressed.
Don't be so defensive, MyL. I said 'maybe', and I'll stand by that as a possible reason. Let's not make an issue out of it; it's just my opinion--and now we have yours, too. This is good, right?
Now Elvis. No need to take it personally.
Your remark just a metaphor, perhaps?
But now we have both remarked on our positions. It's over for you, it's most certainly over for me. This is good, yes!
ML, you mean you don't want to kick this horse around till it's good and dead and then stomp it for good measure? We could probably get some folks all riled up...
Kidding, of course :) Well done!
>But now we have both remarked on our positions. It's over for you, it's most certainly over for me. This is good, yes!Sounds like you just had sex.
You're right, boy, it does. How funny :0
I'm sure Elvis would agree: not a chance, not even in anyone's metaphorical dreams, bboy! ;)
Steve Carell 40 Year Old Virgin, Oh My!!!...
His chest haircut is very wierd...
You had to have seen the movie, elvis - rolls around (and is repeated ad nauseum) on assorted cable channels every other month or so.
Yikes! Should I be glad I missed this movie?
We all have beauty rituals and regimens that differ person to person. Just because a woman decides to shave certain areas and keep them neatly trimmed as part of her hygiene routine, it shouldn't mean anything in the slightest to anyone else... except the person she sleeps next to at night.
Straight from my husband's lips to this keyboard, and I quote, "I don't care how gorgeous a woman is... if she has hairy armpits, legs, and other untamed areas, and can't take the time to groom a little, I won't give her a second look, because it really makes me question her feminine hygiene habits!"
As has already been mentioned, even movie stars and models shave, wax, pluck, and do whatever it is that makes them feel they look their best.
Some women wear makeup, while others don't. Some dye their hair, and some don't... some go all the way and get plastic surgery. Some don't find it necessary.
But it's all really a personal thing, or opinion... if one prefers the bushy cave woman look, more power to her.
We prefer a little personal grooming... it makes some things a little more... pleasurable... and a lot less gross. But that is a personal opinion, based upon a healthy, active marriage.
Does unplucked mean ungroomed?
Oh yes, downright slovenly :)
So men are all slobs then?
No, no bb! Near as I can tell, these standards only apply to the womenfolk :0
I have a lady barber. I'm at an age now where she asks me if I'd also like my eyebrows, ears, and nostrils trimmed.
So what's with these young men waxing everything? Arms, legs, chest, back!!! If I was younger, I would not be attracted to that.
I'm Sicilian and my whole life my dad used to tell me never to over pluck my eyebrows! Thank you, Dad!
I don't know Jerzee... I think it would depend on where you intend to pluck, and how much! Some eyebrows look over-plucked to me. When you pluck to the point where you need to pencil them back in, then I'd say that person probably should consult a beauty professional, or do a little magazine research!
On the other hand, the uni-brow is something I personally find to be the opposite of sexy, and would be something I'd consider plucking or waxing immediately, if that were an issue.
I've never thought an over abundance of facial hair on a woman is a sexy look, and I think a lot of men would agree. There are so many products and methods of controlling or ridding oneself of excess facial hair, it's really up to the individual which method and how much energy she wants to expend in order to look how she feels best.
Personally, when I feel I look decent, I feel good about myself. It's not really about how others view me... it's about how I feel. Clothing is another matter for me, altogether... I go for comfort over fad style. Some things are nice, but I'm not going to spend the money on a pair of shoes with stiletto heels if I can't walk in them comfortably!
Even men are grooming themselves, though... or being groomed by their barbers or stylists. There are countless grooming tools available at any retail store.
Really, is nose or ear hair sexy on a guy? I don't think so, but others might. I like long hair on a guy, but I also think bald can be sexy. It depends on the man.
What can I say? I'm American... I grew up shaving certain areas, trying to find makeup brands I wasn't allergic to, and cultivating my own clothing style. Clean and casual has always made me feel comfortable and good about myself.
I'm no raving beauty by any means! But I think I turn heads because I'm confident, I'm my own person with my own style, and I don't engage in any beauty or fashion rituals to please anyone but myself and my husband.
The bottom line really is... beauty, I think, exudes from the inside... but if you also take a few moments to do whatever it is that makes YOU feel good, what should it matter?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, they say... but one also needs to feel good about themselves, don't you think?
It's kind of like being overweight, and not liking that about yourself... if you don't do anything about it, you'll never really feel happy. But if you're comfortable in your own skin, with whatever flaws you may have... and no one is perfect... and you're happy that way, and carry yourself with confidence... then one shouldn't worry about what others think.
Personal grooming is about making yourself feel good, or doing it for your partner... it's not about doing it for the neighbors! Who cares what they think?
Even the most beautiful people can be ugly if they're not beautiful on the inside, as well... because that does show, whether one thinks so or not.
I'm glad more men are covering up, or shaving their hairy backs, hairy necks, plus getting rid of their disgusting beards and porn star mustaches.
Many men also shave because they're balding, or have a lot of gray body and facial hair, often when they're quite young. The same applies to women with gray pubic hairs.
Here in lake country, many women wear bikinis, plus swim or waterski/tube all summer. They don't want their pubic hair looking like popcorn in their bikini bottoms, or poking out the sides.
I don't have much hair other than on my head. I've had crew cuts most of my life due to speed/ease of care, plus I like the clean-cut look.
I posted this years ago on the other side, but now, it's very (in)appropriate here! :-)
All hair removal methods have tricked women with their
promises of easy, painless removal - The epilady, scissors, razors, Nair
And now... wax.
My night began as any other normal weeknight.
Come home, fix dinner, play with the kids.
I then had the thought that would ring painfully in my mind for the next
Maybe I should pull the waxing kit out of the medicine cabinet.
So I headed to the site of my demise: the bathroom.
It was one of those "cold wax" kits. No melting a clump of
hot wax, you just rub the strips together in your hand, they get
warm and you peel them apart and press them to your leg (or wherever else)
and you pull the hair right off. No muss, no fuss. How hard can it be? I
I'm not a genius, but I am mechanically inclined enough to figure this out.
So I pull one of the thin strips out. Its two strips facing each other
stuck together. Instead of rubbing them together, my genius kicks in so I
get out the hair dryer and heat it to 1000 degrees. ("Cold wax," yeah...right!)
I lay the strip across my thigh. Hold the skin around it tight and pull.
It works! OK, so it wasn't the best feeling, but it wasn't too bad.
I can do this! Hair removal no longer eludes me!
I am She-rah, fighter of all wayward body hair and maker of
smooth skin extraordinaire.
With my next wax strip I move north. After checking on the kids, I sneak
back into the bathroom, for the ultimate hair fighting championship.
I drop my panties and place one foot on the toilet.
Using the same procedure, I apply the one strip across the right side of my
bikini line, covering the right half of my *hoo-hoo* and stretching down to
the inside of my butt cheek (Yes, it was a
long strip) I inhale deeply and
brace myself ....RRRRIIIPPP!!!!!
I'm blind!!! Blinded from pain!!!!....OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!
Vision returning, I notice that I've only managed to pull off half the
Another deep breath and RRIIPP!! Everything is swirly and
spotted. I think I may pass out...must stay conscious...Do I hear crashing
Breathe, breathe...OK, back to normal.
I want to see my trophy - a wax covered strip, the one that has caused me
so much pain, with my hairy pelt sticking to it. I want to revel in the
glory that is my triumph over body hair. I hold up the strip!
There's no hair on it. Where is the hair??? WHERE IS THE WAX???
Slowly I ease my head down, foot still perched on the toilet.
I see the hair. The hair that should be on the strip. I touch.
I am touching wax.
CRAP! I run my fingers over the most sensitive part of my body, which is
now covered in cold wax and matted hair.
Then I make the next BIG mistake...remember my foot is still propped up
on the toilet? I know I need to do something. So I put my foot down.
DANG!!!!!!!! I hear the slamming of a cell door.
*Hoo-Hoo*?? sealed shut!
Butt?? Sealed shut!
I penguin walk around the bathroom trying to figure out what
to do and think to myself "Please don't let me get the urge to poop.
My head may pop off!"
What can I do to melt the wax? Hot water!! Hot water melts wax!!!
I'll run the hottest water I can stand into the bathtub, get in, immerse
the wax-covered bits and the wax should melt and I can gently wipe it off, right???
I get in the tub - the water is slightly hotter than that used to torture
prisoners of war or sterilize surgical equipment - I sit.
Now, the only thing worse than having your nether regions glued together
is having them glued together and then glued to the bottom of the tub...in
scalding hot water. Which, by the way, doesn't melt cold wax.
So, now I'm stuck to the bottom of the tub as though I had cement-epoxied
myself to the porcelain!!
God bless the man who had convinced me a few months ago to have a phone
put in the bathroom!!!!!
I call my friend, thinking surely she has waxed before and has some
secret of how to get me undone. It's a very good conversation starter -
"So, my butt and who-ha are glued together to the bottom of
There is a slight pause. She doesn't know any secret tricks for removal
but she does try to hide her laughter from me. She wants to know exactly
where the wax is located, "Are we talking cheeks
She's laughing out loud by now...I can hear her. I give her the rundown
and she suggests I call the number on the side of the box.
I should be the joke of someone else's night.
While we go through various solutions. I resort to scraping the wax off
with a razor. Nothing feels better then to have your girlie goodies covered
hot wax, glued shut, stuck to the tub in super hot water and then
dry-shaving the sticky wax
By now the brain is not working, dignity has taken a major hike and I'm
pretty sure I'm going to need Post-Traumatic Stress counseling for this
My friend is still talking with me when I finally see my saving grace....
the lotion they give you to remove the excess wax.
What do I really have to lose at this point? I rub some on and OH MY
The scream probably woke the kids and scared the dickens out of my friend.
It's sooo painful, but I really don't care. IT WORKS!! It works!!
I get a hearty congratulation from my friend and she hangs up.
I successfully remove the remainder of the wax and then notice to my grief
THE HAIR IS STILL THERE.......ALL OF IT!!!!!!!!!!
So I recklessly shave it off. Heck, I'm numb by now.
Nothing hurts. I could have amputated my own leg at this point.
Next week I'm going to try hair color......
Now that's funny . NOT!!!
Bill, I want you to know that I just choked on my coffee, and some came out the wrong orifice! There's still some leaking out my nose! It's not a pretty picture, but I think I'll survive a little better than the poor woman in that story! No more, please! My stomach muscles, cheeks, lungs, and nose cannot possibly take another onslaught of laughter like that! Not right now! LMFAO and SCOMN! (Spewing Coffee Out My Nose!)
Now, THAT was funny! Thank you! I needed that laugh, though I could have done without the coffee burning the tender insides of my nostrils! The good news is, my sinuses are completely clear! ;-)
In many cases, there are specific reasons men wax or shave their entire upper body and legs.
For example, a professional swimmer gains speed without tons of body hair... and professional mixed martial artists shave or wax because being smooth while sweating during a fight helps them get out of submission holds a lot easier, and makes it much more difficult to grab hold of.
So, there ARE real reasons for some men to wax or shave...
Personally, I think men with abundant, dark hair that begins on their head and continues down the neck and into the shirt is just not sexy. It kinda reminds me of a gorilla... no offense intended to anyone who may possess such a look.
I'm just not attracted to hairy guys.
It really serves no purpose, truth be told... we do wear manufactured clothing now, and have no need for fur to keep us warm.
Oh, I don't know about that. Since my Navy days, I've grown a full beard during the winter, and shaved it come springtime. Same with the hair on top of my head (what little's left!) Crewcut during spring and summer, and come fall, I let it grow out. As much as I work outside and in underheated buildings, it really does make a big difference.
My husband does the same thing, Bill... he sports a beard beginning when the weather gets chilly in fall, and he removes it in spring. He always has. And even though his hairline has receded somewhat, he still sports long hair, kept neatly tied in a ponytail.
I have a thing for long hair, you see... and I think if he cut it off, we'd just shave him bald... he would look 20 years older with shorter hair... but he's been completely bald before, and looks pretty good that way, as well as with long hair.
I've always had long hair, myself... I don't have the right face shape for short hair. I'd love to do something shorter with it... something punk and colorful, or just very different... but I'm not sure it would look right. I'll probably just keep it long and layered, and keep covering the encroaching gray with the lightest blond. And, no... I don't have a facial beard to shave seasonally! ;-)
I've never been afraid of "going there" when it comes to looking different. Heck, I'm tattooed, pierced, and I keep a few different colors of hair dye in case I want to change up... maybe add a layer or stripe of red or blue, or something. I like being unique... and comfortable.
When I do something, it's for me... not for anyone else. I'm not afraid to wear shirts with racy sayings, or do other things that freak people out. I'll never be an old lady in a matching polyester pant suit. It's just not who I am! :-)
Shirts with racy sayings!? Pics, please...
I am always amazed at the amount of info some people are willing to share about themselves.
And someone is starting to identify himself as the resident perv! ;-D
I agree, houseful.
I'm glad to see more and more balding men shaving their heads, especially those with comb-overs, patches of hair, long hair on the sides, ponytails, mullets and gray hair.
The same applies to beards, mustaches, heavy chest/shoulder/back hair, gray chest/shoulder/hair, gray facial hair, nose hair, ear hair etc.
In today's ultra-competitive job/dating market, it's to your advantage to look as attractive, clean cut, youthful, energetic, responsible, healthy and disciplined as possible. Grooming habits, posture and physical appearance say a lot about a person.
On the subject of tanning, I can't believe how many young females are addicted to tanning beds/booths, spray tans and self-tanning lotions these days.
More and more are buying and injecting Melanotan that they're buying off-the-street, or from online peptide and research chemical companies.
Our self tanning lotion sales have quadrupled in the last 10 years.
Don't have any pics wearing my favorite shirts, Tobr, and I don't share my custom artwork online. If I did, someone would copy it, and it would no longer be unique to me.
Summer is coming up though... so my t-shirts will be coming back out to be worn... if I run into my favorite, I'll post. It does make heads turn, and people do give me strange looks. Of course, they can always look away. ;-)
Another reason many men are shaving body and arm hair is the increasing number with more and more tattoos that they want to show off.
Many women also tan since they want to display their lower back tattoos and naval piercings when wearing short shirts and low rise jeans.
Many women also like the contrast of a dark tan gives to blond hair, teeth whitening and flashy diamond, silver or gold jewelery and piercings.
Generally speaking, attractive women with dark tans get a lot more looks from guys.
We know several women that use spray tans to help mask/blend blemishes, stretch marks etc.
This weekend was particularly nice. I'm not hairy but I thought I'd take advantage of the warmth and sun, so I took my shirt off for awhile on S & Su. My old, wrinkly, pasty, grey-white skin looks better with a little redness to it.
So to answer the question, I try to tan.
A friend when I lived in Florida, where being bare bodied was very popular, liked to say: "brown fat looks better than white fat." That's true.
I think the tramp stamps and other assorted body art shows up best against a light background, though.
What is a 'tramp stamp' and is hobo-style popular in Florida?
Lower back tattoo
A lower back tattoo is a body decoration. Such tattoos have become popular since the late 1990s. They are commonly derided as suggestive of promiscuity and often referred to as "tramp stamps" or "slag tags" due to being a target for ejaculate during doggy style intercourse. The German term Arschgeweih can be translated as 'a$$ antlers'. Such tattoos are primarily seen on women.
Popular culture: A Barbie doll with a lower back tattoo was released in 2008.
Lower frontal tattoos on females are becoming more and more popular as well, especially now that more females are wearing low rise jeans and short shirts to show off their muffin tops.
Sadly true. The muffin tops, I mean.
I'm a captive of this incredible winter/spring weather in LA and can't get off the bike or the beach, so I'm almost Boehner tan -- but genuinely so, not that burnt orange look he rocks sometimes. I'm smearing myself in lotion, but I'm still August-brown in April, so i could be George Hamilton by mid-summer (which is a little concerning).
I get treated sooooooooooo differently by people when I'm cleanly shaven and have short hair that I've given in to that level of grooming, but that's my line and I'm sticking by it. I live amongst the hipsters and I've seen what happens when a man takes metrosexuality too far. Do not want.
I'm torn between that Samuel Clemens or Albert Einstein look. Do you suppose I'd look younger as a tan Albert Einstein or a waxed Samuel Clemens?
Maybe I'll get a tramp stamp too...now that I know what it is.
Well, whatever you do Ron, avoid the dreaded muffin tops :0
It does make heads turn, and people do give me strange looks. Of course, they can always look away.
Somehow, I don't think I would. :-) (look away)
Now, who is the perv here? Or should I say pervs?
Thank you, Bill. :-)
You guys! You're too funny! ;-)
I didn't find Bill's comment perverted... I found it complimentary! I think I look pretty hot for a 51 year old grandmother, and so does my husband!
No tramp stamp, as some people refer to them, here... yet... I've got most of my artwork where I can show it off... or cover it should I need to, based upon the strange attitudes of what I consider an uptight society.
I'm not sure I think muffin tops, as they've been termed, are all that attractive, myself, but it shouldn't matter what a person looks like on the outside. It's the inner person that matters, and that we should look for in others. Not everyone was born to look like a perfect Barbie doll.
A person doesn't need to be drop dead gorgeous and perfect to be really beautiful... in fact, some people that look good on the outside are ruined by their inner ugliness. As long as one likes oneself, and has the confidence to be who they really are, and are a decent person inside, that inner beauty usually comes shining through.
Some people should eat makeup instead of applying it to their faces... if it would help alleviate the ugliness oozing from within.
A person's weight doesn't bother me, as long as that friend is not over or under weight enough to be unhealthy... then, I would be concerned. But any true friend would be.
Well, it's truly been a slice... but I have a long day ahead of me, and the sun is barely up. Have fun, and remember... play nice, boys and girls! (Like that will happen!)
"...it shouldn't matter what a person looks like on the outside
I agree if you are talking about what they look like naturally. But if you're talking self-imposed looks, then I have to say it does matter.
Self-imposed... as in?
Lest we forget, beauty is in the eye of the beholder... and everyone has different tastes. What I find attractive might not match what the next person likes... and vice versa.
Some people are attracted to the severely overweight, as an example... while others might never find an overweight person attractive. It's a very subjective subject.
I took HF's post to mean "self imposed" as in grotesque body piercings and bizarre hair (ever been in the tube in London?), or really bad excessive makeup. But, Jodi, I can relate to the unloveliness of the grossly obese as well. I think what a person intentionally does to his/her appearance reflects on what they are inside.
Really??? Sounds like the man has a serious double standard issue. Is he clean shaven everywhere? If not I would seriously question his ability to use a bar of soap.
It sounds as if it's okay for a man to have a preference as far as how he grooms himself without anyone questioning his cleanliness, but not a woman.
Tobr24, you ask the weirdest questions.
I believe I also mentioned somewhere above that my husband likes to be neatly groomed, as well. Just because a man sports a beard or long hair doesn't mean he's unkempt or unclean.
There are, however, a few obvious and general differences between the private areas of males and females, and various natural occurrences that would make feminine hygiene a little more... what's the word I need, here... timely and careful, perhaps?
And as for tattoos and piercings... that's also beauty in the eye of the beholder. If you don't care for those sorts of things, don't look, and don't count the tattooed or pierced among the people you hang out with. Pretty simple solutions to me.
Everyone has their own likes and dislikes, or turn ons and turn offs, when it comes to the outer appearance of others. They are personal and unique to each of us.
Some women are turned on by hairy guys... it's not my thing, but that doesn't mean I think it's grotesque if someone else prefers it. It doesn't affect me in any way.
It's kind of like same sex marriage... why on earth would I be, or should I be, offended by something that doesn't affect my own marriage one tiny iota?? And in fact, I think everyone should be treated equally, and allowed the same rights and protections.
Voicing an opinion on a message board that's unique to only one person is hardly a double standard. We're talking about grooming and tanning, for pete's sake. That's his opinion on women who appear un-groomed. It simply doesn't turn him on to see hair all over women. That's actually not a really unique opinion for, I'd guess, quite a few American men.
It's simply an American habit or cultural norm to shave armpits, legs, and keep bikini areas groomed. It's not a law or rule... it's just what a lot of us do. And I can't for the life of me figure out why it causes such angst among the few.
There's a large difference between how we look at people in general, and how we look at potential mates. When dating, or being intimate, there's an attraction usually present that brings you together in the first place. But since it's not the norm to be intimate with everyone we meet or call our friends, we aren't generally speaking about the same things.
So, are you saying that before it became fashionable for women to shave "down there", that they didn't practice proper hygiene?
"I think what a person intentionally does to his/her appearance reflects on what they are inside."
If you don't care for those sorts of things, don't look, and don't count the tattooed or pierced among the people you hang out with. Pretty simple solutions to me.
So you're saying bigotry is okay in some instances?
And since you're describing a quarter of my very close family members, I have to say, not on your life would I consider NOT hanging out with them. They mean everything to me.
But if, for instance, I was a business owner, I would very carefully choose my employees based outward appearances first.
Absolutely agree with the employment part, HF.
The bigotry question is interesting to me. In response to a (lecture) post a short while ago in which the poster inferred that those on the right were bigots, I posted a dictionary definition of the word. I'll keep it as short as I can:
bigot: "a person obstinately and intolerantly devoted to her own opinions and prejudices, esp. one who exhibits intolerance toward members of a group."
Terricks, it's just what people grow up with and are used to. I remember being overseas and stopping in San Raphael on the French Riviera, and the women there all had bushier arm pits than I did! In spite of it being a topless beach, it was really a turn off-- because that was not the norm I was brought up with. As much as some believe it to be bad feminine hygiene, there are others (like me) who couldn't deal with "down there" being shaved-- I'd feel like Chester the Molester!
Just for the record, Bill, my husband wasn't talking about being completely shaved naked in a pre-pubescent manner. To him, that's kind of creepy in a "Chester the Molester" sort of way, too!
We're simply talking about trimming, about removing errant hair that can sometimes grow in unwanted places, like beyond where your bathing suit ends! Doing a little pruning, so to speak, to look neat and groomed.
And as you say, it IS more an American thing... just something we've been brought up to do that hurts no one.
In some cultures, I understand, deodorant isn't used. Body odor is something I find a little gross, personally, but each culture is brought up differently when it comes to health and beauty, personal care and grooming, product use, etc.
But, as expected, the few are turning this entire discussion from a tiny ant hill into the largest of volcanoes by twisting words and injecting their own meanings to what they THINK they're reading.
Context and comprehension always seem to be difficult, elusive, or different for some... it never ceases to amaze me.
And what's more, as a footnote not directed at Bill or anyone else involved, the consistent tailing and timing is not going unnoticed...
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If I thought of a design I wanted that badly, and the best place to put it was on my lower back, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Of course, I'd have to convince my artist to make another trip west, line up a bunch of work for him to make the trip worth his while, and also to help lower the cost for us... ink is expensive, especially when you're talking about an exceedingly talented and well-known artist... or, we'd have to make the trip east, and I simply can't afford that right now.
Besides, I have other plans for ink first. I'd like to get an "in memory of" piece commemorating my parents, now both deceased. It would be on my upper left arm. The right one is already inked.
Hmm, care to tell us what is inked on your right arm?
A pictorial of my past and present religious beliefs, all intertwined, containing an inked gemstone in the color of my birthstone, Amethyst. The majority of the piece is blackwork in fine lines. I think it's absolutely gorgeous, and it gives one small piece of the story of who I am, a little part of my life story, if you will.
Other pieces include, but are not limited to, a back shoulder piece, both calves, and my upper left, um, chest area...
There are several other pieces I'd love to get, but they aren't priorities right now.
Through my ink, I've learned a lot about the art and safety involved in tattooing, and how important it is to research first. I got lucky... my husband met our artist through mutual friends within the dog breeding community. He's an artist first, and expresses his talents through many other venues besides tattooing. He also does awesome photographic spreads, oil and acrylic paintings, ink and pencil drawings... he's very talented.
I also learned that it's so important to be absolutely sure the design you want is one you love... because removal is, I understand, very painful, and also very expensive. Sterile environment and tools are very important, as are the types of inks used.
It's not something I'd ever recommend doing on the spur of the moment, or in a drunken haze. Alcohol thins the blood, which can be dangerous, and dulls the senses... you may wake up with more than you bargained for! Names are a big no-no... unless they're your children, or close family members... not a good idea to ink in a girlfriend's name. More names have been covered than probably any other one thing!
The memorial to my parents would be a pictorial, reminding me of the things they loved in life... floral and a hummingbird to indicate my Mom, and some sort of fish and a stream picture to indicate my Dad, who loved to go fishing with us kids more than anything else in his spare time. All of it would be made into one piece, sort of blending it all together.
I may include their names in some flowing script somewhere within it... and add "in loving memory", or something... I'm not entirely sure yet. I would have to consult with my artist, and have him draw up some samples that we could then hone to perfection.
Ok... so, through the grapevine, I find out that while I was away yesterday, I missed a rather interesting photograph someone posted that was consequently, because of it's content, removed. That poster should know better! ;-)
Anyway... how would you like to encounter such a pretty young lady on a lovely beach somewhere, and see her pubic hair either hanging out the top and sides of that ultra tiny bikini she's wearing, or growing down the insides of her thighs? Would that look neat and sexy? Or would it kind of make you wonder what she was thinking, not grooming in order to wear what her figure can obviously support?
I don't know that I would have the fortitude to wear anything quite that revealing, myself, even 30 years ago when I looked good in a bikini... but we have to remember that different countries, and adults-only spas and beach hotels, allow different levels of nudity without the hangups America seems to have. How many topless beaches are there in the US? How many nude beaches?
I know they exist in quite high to moderate numbers in certain other areas of the world. I'm sure there are some folks who would never, ever consider being on a beach occupied by others even partially nude, while many others don't have a problem with nudity or partial nudity.
Through certain aspects of our society, we've been conditioned to think that the human body in its nude form is somehow dirty, or wrong. And while sometimes, showing less is more, as they say, I would not be offended in any way if I walked past someone wearing that bikini on a beach somewhere. Nudity does not offend me. I'm not particularly interested in gawking at women, but I still wouldn't stare or tsk tsk or say anything... I'd walk past like I would if I were walking down any normal street in town, going about my own business.
Even if that young lady had some stretch marks from giving birth, that would not detract in any way from her beauty. That would indicate to me that she were strong, confident and proud of her children, of having given birth. Also, it would indicate that she worked very hard at recovering her figure post birth.
But, the entire look of that tiny outfit would be ruined by poor grooming habits.
Again, we all have our own opinions, our own turn ons and turn offs, but in American society, it's generally accepted that a good majority of women take the time to groom themselves, whether they use waxing, shaving, electrolysis, or other hair removal products. It's different than some other cultures, but it's simply what we do. Why would anyone be offended by the notion of grooming?
There are even some day spas and beauty boutiques that cater to different styles of personal grooming, shall we say, and there are even names for some of the various styles, the "Brazilian" being one, I do believe.
Anyway... tanning and waxing are just personal things people either like to do or don't care to do. It has nothing to do with double standards, strange context, or anything having to do with racial or ethnic prejudice issues. These are just personal grooming or other preferences... and have more to do with personal style, taste, and opinions vary.
Some people like tattoos, some don't... some like the emo or goth look while others don't... some like certain clothing styles, while some don't... and it could go on forever like this, describing the likes and dislikes of what is a very personal and unique thing. What is the big deal, I'm left wondering?
I continue to find extreme haircuts obnoxious, particularly flat tops and Mohawks.
Well how can she be clean if any hair is left? (at least according to Jodi's husband)
I don't care if it's someone's preference to be turned on by body hair or lack of, but to equate how much hair is removed to hygiene is preposterous.
He never said anything about all hair being removed, and in fact thinks THAT much is TOO much removal! He doesn't like the pre-pubescent look. We've already mentioned this fact.
Groomed does not equate to completely shaven naked. What part of that is difficult to grasp?
Men trim mustaches and beards without shaving it completely off, and we consider this groomed.
When groomed, however, one has a better than average chance of not giving the impression that they don't care enough to take the time to perform other regular and proper hygienic care.
That also would be dependent upon how large of a shrub we're talking about.
It would be the same thing as looking at a large rat's nest on someone's head. If they aren't taking the time to brush or comb their hair, are they interested in taking the time to shampoo it?
It's about perceived impressions and personal preferences.
If this overly offends you, one has to wonder why?
Jodi: "It's about perceived impressions and personal preferences. If this overly offends you, one has to wonder why?"
Yes, this offends me. Who is wondering why? You are, I guess.
So you want the hair trimmed just so, in all the right places, places that you and your husband approve. Nice and clean. Very good hygiene; yep, that's the ticket.
Let's take this another step. How 'bout all them fatties? Think they can reach all them dirty places?
And this coming from someone who wasn't in the least "offended" by the pornographic pic that was posted here. The opposite actually.
What porno pic? Who posted porno here? When? I assume it was taken down? Which thread?
Or are you talking about the woman in the white bikini?
The one where you posted, following it's appearance, and I quote, "Not a muffin in sight--that's a good thing :)"
That one, elvis.
Did I, or did I not, say it's about personal preferences and perceived impressions?
Yes, I think I did.
Did I say anything about wanting personal grooming restrictions or rules to become a national law?
No, I don't believe I mentioned anything like that.
If people could actually come to this forum without their paint bucket stir sticks and roller skates, we might actually be able to have some interesting conversations that had meaning, or were valued as being humorous, just for fun, and not of the usual partisan variety.
But some want to take what amounts to trivial banter and interesting conversation, and turn it into a war of epic proportions... over nothing!
Trim or don't trim... it's all the same to me. I'm not looking at you, don't have to look at you, and I don't particularly care what your appearance is like in a bathing suit!
Why does everything that begins as a pleasurable experience, where we just talk about our personal opinions back and forth, and laugh and have fun, have to turn into the same thing every other thread turns into... an all out, no holds barred snark war, because some posters have to make everything personal and argumentative.
And as for the "fattie" comment... in my opinion, that was not very nice, at all. I would never call anyone a "fattie"... that's just mean-spirited and undignified.
There are many overweight women in America that seem to manage very well, judging by what I've seen at the beaches or in photos. I don't know if they groom on their own, if they go to a spa, or if their spouses help... and it really doesn't matter, does it? Just because someone is overweight does not mean they're not groomed. That's a misconception.
So, all we've managed to gain, here, is another stereotype... that large women can't groom. Outstanding.
THIS IS SO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!
I shave/wax/groom. Sometimes it's all gone, and yes, it's called a Brazilian. That's when you have to hug your knees to your chest and it helps to have a flask of whiskey by your side. Bare can be beautiful, and I like the way it looks and feels for me, rather than for my lover.
I also sometimes let it all grow. Not because I'm lazy, but because I like how that feels too. Hair actually is cleaner than no hair... less can get close to the personal parts.
I always shave my armpits, and I shave my legs just past the knee. There's no hair above that for a while anyway.
Y'know what? I've never known a man to complain either way. Trimmed, full bush, shaven sides, waxed with a "landing strip" or full Brazilian... most men are just happy to be invited to the party. I see hair as an accessory... dye it, shave it, cut it into pretty shapes, wax it, bleach it, streak it, grow a beard, make a goatee, go bald, wear a mohawk.
If I'm interested in the person, there's not much chance their personal preference of grooming habits (save bad hygiene) will make me disinterested. And when I see a beautiful woman, usually her hair is just a part of her.
A lot of men go bare on chest/back/stomach and "down there" too. It's kind of nice sometimes. I like to mix it up ;)
Hey, your words not mine.
You call a young woman in a skimpy swimsuit pornographic? Are you HIGH?
That's what I've been trying to say, though... that it's all about personal preference and what turns someone on or off! Without looking above to make certain, I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything like "EVERYONE MUST BECAUSE I SAID SO", or anything...
I think it's mainly due to the fact that the opinion came from ME... and what I expressed doesn't meet with the approval of the Hot Topics Secret Grooming Police... well, you know how it is! ;-)
PS I think some beards are extremely sexy, as is a bald head on some men, and I met a CRAZY cute dark ginger last week... and I would usually say that ginger is not for me. LOL. It's all about the individual.
I know what looks good on me, what fits my standard. I think the dark tan and bleached hair looks ridiculous, as do comb-overs... also I don't prefer men to wear socks with their slippers.
But I will say, I knew this guy once and it didn't matter what he wore with his slippers, he was smokin' hot regardless.
I like people. I like to see how they use their bodies/minds/spirits and shine. If their grooming doesn't meet what I think has sex appeal, I won't go there. I really don't care what my friends do as I'm not touching them ;) And sometimes that pocket protector or fanny pack or skinny mustache or those monster biceps really suit a person and if they're comfortable and happy with their look... that's what's sexy to me.
Excuse me, elvis?
Every word I quoted came directly from you. Would you like to see the screen shots? I'd have to email them to you though, because I cannot re-post a photo that was removed, and it's all part of one big file.
If the photo Big Papi posted on Tuesday, April 10th at 19:09 had not been pornographic in nature, or met with the rules of GW, it would not have been removed. The blond in the BLACK see through bikini had body parts showing through the material that would make it not appropriate for this forum.
But those ARE your words. I quoted them directly from the shots taken, and from above at:
"Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on
Fri, Apr 13, 12 at 11:45
Let's take this another step. How 'bout all them fatties? Think they can reach all them dirty places?"
Now... tell me why that photo was removed? And then, be sure to deny your words again so I can repeat them one more time.
I have avoided opening this up, until today. Finally, my curiousity has gotten the better of me. UGH! I wish I had skipped this. Personal preference is personal. It's all good if you dictate what is done to your body, just keep outta my ideas for me! My favorite tanning thought though is my elder sister who compared her Filipino skin to my untannable redhead, freckly skin that now stays whiter than white?! Yes, Beth, your tan is darker. Silly girl! Even in swimming season I'm whiter than white. I don't care what anyone else thinks!!! I go to the pool everyweekend and every weekend, son and I slather on the Bullfrog. Not a drop of sun, but plenty of fun, fun, fun! We swim for exercise, not for showing off in swim suits. Which is fine if you want to do it, but it aint us.
Was that suit BLACK? Hmmm. Really didn't stand out in my mind. Anyway, that pic sure wasn't porn. Why was it removed then? Got me.
Actually Jodi, you were the one who implied that hair would be an issue in feminine hygiene. I don't see how simply trimming the bikini area would be more hygienic than leaving it alone if the hair in the rest of the area is not removed. As I said, I wouldn't make presumptions about someone's cleanliness based on how much hair they removed.
Just returned to see why this thread remains towards the top.
Will this thread NEVER die?
I had long hair, usually tied into a pony tail, into my early forties. But as my hairline began receding I had it cut pretty short; didn't think the Benjamin Franklin look would work for me :)
I've also had a pencil mustache and "soul patch" since my college days. I have an inordinate distance between my upper lip and my nose and the thin mustache does just the trick to hide this perceived flaw. Having a full mustache makes me look like a walrus (Wilford Brimley, anyone?).
I really don't care if the mustache makes me look like a porn star as markjames states; I'm actually hoping they'll come back into style, but it's been a long wait :)
No kidding, Mylab... that's what I've been waiting for, too... but some appear to like thread CPR so they can play gotcha, and tag Jodi one more time, just for good measure.
It was a quote from my husband, and some people just can't understand that personal opinions and/or quotes are not Wikipedia, and aren't directed at anyone in particular... nor was the statement made even mine. But that never stops them... breathe, 1-2-3, breathe, 1-2-3...
Have fun with that.
What died here was context and comprehension... and then, in came denial, which shot credibility and left behind another round of prejudice.
TMI I won't need to read anymore.
Just to show that there actually are women who groom, here's a link with instructions, stories, recipes for potions to eliminate any red bumps or ingrown hair, and all sorts of other interesting factoids and information.
Women groom, men groom... and what others do should not cause such horror or angst among those who choose not to.
If you do, go for it... if you don't, more power to ya. I could care less what others do... but here's a little proof that they DO do it! And you'll notice, everyone has their own opinion on it... as we are all entitled.
Now... let this die, already. It has served Tobr's purpose of stirring the honey pot well, I'm sure, no pun intended. ;-)
Here is a link that might be useful: Need Instruction?